!!!Yaba info!!!

[jt5011]

I travel a lot in asia and I have tried both crystal meth and yaba. I agree that yaba is different compared to pure meth but the difference is not very big. I am also surprised to hear that some people think yaba is so much better. Personally I prefer crystal meth. It gives me a cleaner high.
The price for a yaba pill in Thailand or Cambodia is between 1 and 2 USD.

 

[Thai-Fighter]

Right now I'm in Turkey for summer (family buisness) and it's pretty much a 'cold turkey' . Otherwise I live in Switzerland.

 

[sharp sense]

the worst thing I think is that some dealers sell yaba as e...
People are quite scared of this fact and it yaba has a very bad reputation....I saw a documentary film from thailand, who yaba addicts were murdering others and themselves.. they told that it is the most addictive substance (more than crack) and very dangerous, there were also hand out about yaba in clubs....Maybe this is only probaganda.....
However among my friend nobody would ever touch yaba I think we are all too scared...

 

[Thai-Fighter]

Originally posted by sharp sense:
[QB]the worst thing I think is that some dealers sell yaba as e...
People are quite scared of this fact and it yaba has a very bad reputation....I saw a documentary film from thailand, who yaba addicts were murdering others and themselves.. they told that it is the most addictive substance (more than crack) and very dangerous, there were also hand out about yaba in clubs....Maybe this is only probaganda.....QB]
Selling yaba as E!! Do they really do that?! Since you are from Switzerland you should know how expensive yaba is and how cheap xtc is... To me that seems very unlikely. For exmaple in Bern there is a high demand for yaba but there are only few people who deal it (and they don't always have it) while you can buy E from half of the people in G***** (i don't think i'm allowed to tell the name)
About crime, I think it's partially true. I've been hearing that a lot of crime in Thailand is yaba related but still I don't think peope are commiting suicide because of yaba (maybe 'some other people' are making it look like a suicide!).

 

[bongbudda]

There are HUGE yabba problems all over the far east, indoneasia (sorry about my spelling) has a massive problem.
From what I've heard it stems from the pressure to work frankly stupidly long hours and thus people start taking a few to keep them going and it escalates.

 

[SovietContin]

SovietContin - And what exactly leads you to believe that the unknown oral dose of "morphine" in such a pill would be of a quantity insufficient to get you high, but sufficient to cause addiction? Is that even possible?
Speculate by all means, but think things through.
The pills contain around 80mgs of meth or related compounds. 20% of that is 16mgs. 16mgs is sufficient to get a non-opiate tolerant person high (barely). 15mgs is commonly used for pain relief in the United States. The high would likely go completely unnoticed because the meth would counteract the effects. However your opiate transmitters would still be recieving the morphine causing a very slow opiate addiction assuming the pills were used on a regular basis.
Interestingly enough, the article mentioned even traces of heroin. Fascinating. At any rate, it's not suprising at all. Cambodia, Thailand.. these are heroin trafficking areas. They have kilos of this stuff available for pennies to them. Why not throw it in these yaba pills? They sound like a bunch of drugs thrown together anyways.

 

[SovietContin]

People are quite scared of this fact and it yaba has a very bad reputation....I saw a documentary film from thailand, who yaba addicts were murdering others and themselves.. they told that it is the most addictive substance (more than crack) and very dangerous, there were also hand out about yaba in clubs....Maybe this is only probaganda.....
LOL.. yeah, everyone who smokes crack cocaine becomes a serious addict who robs liquor stores and kills their dealers too.
Worst case scenerio being dramatized as typical.

 

[downer3739]

a combination of an upper (typically cocaine or a meth/amphetamine) and an opiate (typically heroin or morphine) is a speedball. the danger of speedballs is that the upper and the opiate potentiate the effects of each other, requiring a lower dosage of each drug. therefore, a dose of 15mg of morphine in combination with 65mg of methamphetamine still creates a very potent high. not only does the morphine most likely add to the addictive qualities of this drug, it also adds to the high.
in theory at least.

 

[SovietContin]

No.. at that low of a dose the effects of the meth would COMPLETELY override the effects of the morphine. It would feel like a few milligrams less of a meth high.
And no, this isn't a real speedball. A real speedball is only when the drugs are injected simutaneously.

 

[silverfucked]

I think orally the morphine would have no effect, but smoked it would.. whether or not the meth would override it i don't know.. I think it would at least boost the euphoria of the high..
I always thought the standard morphine dose for pain was 10 mg IM or SC..

 

[sharp sense]

Selling yaba as E!! Do they really do that?!
yeah, they do it, at somes partys they make pill tests, and it is not so uncommon that they detect from time to time, a pill which is yaba.
Meth and Amphetamine is definately sheaper to produce than MDMA and I guess this Amphetamin combination is cheaper too.
If you look for yaba, you have to go to red light district in zurich, where are the best sources for this.

 

[SovietContin]

I think orally the morphine would have no effect, but smoked it would.. whether or not the meth would override it i don't know.. I think it would at least boost the euphoria of the high..
Smoking opiates is the least effective way to use them other than opium. Even heroin has very little effect when smoked unless it's taken at a huge dose.

 

[Thai-Fighter]

Originally posted by sharp sense:

yeah, they do it, at somes partys they make pill tests, and it is not so uncommon that they detect from time to time, a pill which is yaba.
Meth and Amphetamine is definately sheaper to produce than MDMA and I guess this Amphetamin combination is cheaper too.
If you look for yaba, you have to go to red light district in zurich, where are the best sources for this.
Meth is cheaper to produce than MDMA indeed but yaba is smuggled from Asia not made in Switzerland and takes a lot of money I imagine. Also don't forget that for some reason X is very cheap there. I pay 4$ even if I buy a single pill(but the guy is a major dealer). Anyway if anybody does this he should be first hand dealers. But still I strongly dislike the idea of selling yaba as X...
Most candy ravers don't deserve a drug such as yaba..

 

[skydigger]

I just spent 6 months in Thailand smoking Yaba, and it's definatly NOT 80% meth. I also doubt that there was any morphine in it.
The stats that I read estimated about 35% meth, the rest was caffiene and filler. I was smoking 6 or 7 or more per day. There is NO WAY that taking this orally would keep you up for 3 days.
Once during my use I did smoke enough to keep me up for 3 days to see if I would experience any halucinations, but none happened.
Yaba HAS made it to the U.S., somebody posted a query here a couple of years ago after coming across a pill.
Yaba does not compare to Ice or glass or whatever. I NEVER felt addicted to YABA. It is fun though. I was paying 100 baht per pill from tuk tuks.
It did kill the appetite pretty much and gave me boundless energy to walk around Bangkok. I don't recall bad burnouts or depression coming down at all either.
BTW, all the pills were red with the exception of 1 green one. They all had the 'WY' stamp on them.

 

[C21H23NO5]

This is neat, we had something similiar to this in the area that I used to party at. It was basically what this Yaba stuff sounds like, just a jumbled amount of drugs thrown in and pressed, except this was powder, that contained Ketamine, oxycontin, heroin, speed, ecstasy, etc. Strange stuff, of course was always sold what it actually was (yeah right) and was fun to throw together. Sold in 20 bags. Anyways that's way off topic.

 

[Thai-Fighter]

Originally posted by skydigger:
I just spent 6 months in Thailand smoking Yaba, and it's definatly NOT 80% meth. I also doubt that there was any morphine in it.
The stats that I read estimated about 35% meth, the rest was caffiene and filler. I was smoking 6 or 7 or more per day. There is NO WAY that taking this orally would keep you up for 3 days.

Smoking yaba in Thailand is different because unlike Europe, in Thailand many 'kinds' of yaba exist. Some of them are worse than the ones in Europe I imagine.
Recently some other kind of yaba appeard in Switzerland. They have a dragon picture on them. They are weaker but it's the same stuff. They just contain filler. Maybe you had something like that. (I'm not saying that ones you had had dragon pictures of course) But the others I had had no (or very little) filler in them. Otherwise it's impossible for such a small pill to be so strong.

 

[Drug Dustbin]

Originally posted by SovietContin:
Smoking opiates is the least effective way to use them other than opium. Even heroin has very little effect when smoked unless it's taken at a huge dose.
Hmm, actually the bioavailability of inhaled heroin is somewhat higher than that of snorting (35-45% vs. 27-31%).
Reference:
Hendriks VM, van den Brink W, Blanken P, Bosman IJ, van Ree JM.
Heroin self-administration by means of 'chasing the dragon': pharmacodynamics and bioavailability of inhaled heroin. Eur Neuropsychopharmacol. 2001 Jun;11(3):241-52.

 

[skydigger]

Thai-Fighter said

Smoking yaba in Thailand is different because unlike Europe, in Thailand many 'kinds' of yaba exist. Some of them are worse than the ones in Europe I imagine.
I spent 6 months there. From Koh Samui in the south to Chiang Mai in the north and of course Bangkok.
During that time, the Yaba was identical (with the exception of the single green one that came in a batch of 30).

Otherwise it's impossible for such a small pill to be so strong.
Sorry to disagree again TF. If a pill that size actually contained %80 meth it would be plenty strong.
Think about how much you get off of just a single line of meth, and how many lines would you get in a pill.
BTW, I took it orally and snorted it but enjoyed the ritual of smoking the yaba. Snorting didn't seem to do a lot for me (mind you I'd already smoked several prior).
Perhaps the Yaba you got in Switzerland was made specifically to "introduce" it to you guys and to get you hooked on it?
All I know is that the shit I smoked in Thailand is the same shit pictured in your link, and all of the Thai's that I smoked with never once made any comments about quality or lack thereof.
Here's a pic!
[ 13 July 2002: Message edited by: skydigger ]

 

[Thai-Fighter]

Skydigger- Than I think by luck you got the same kind all the time because even here I already got several kinds : saumon red, orange red, orange, red (the ones one the pic). And once I saw a green one and a brown one as well but I didn't get the chance of smoking them. (I was told that the brown ones contained ketamine.)
Also remember that they may look the same but be different actually.
[ 13 July 2002: Message edited by: Thai-Fighter ]

 

[liquiddelight]

And once I saw a green one and a brown one as well but I didn't get the chance of smoking them.
These brown yaba's are showing in Western Australia. Down here, they are also known as 'shaboo' and 'boo'. Just informing WA people.
P.S. They ae being sold as 'e' aswell.