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Would you consider Dextromethorphin as a psychedelic?

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From the Wiki page:

A psychedelic substance is a psychoactive drug whose primary action is to alter cognition and perception".

However, apparently a "Psychoactive drug" crosses the blood-brain barrier and acts primarily upon the central nervous system.

What do you think?
 
DextromethorphAn is a NMDA and Sigma antagonist, and because of that its a dissociative.
Question is "do you consider dissociatives psychedelics?" Some do, some don't.


A psychedelic substance is a psychoactive drug whose primary action is to alter cognition and perception".

I COMPLETELY disagree with that definition. There are plenty of drugs that "alter cognition and perception" but which have nothing to do with psychedelics.

Psychedelics in the common sense of the word are hallucinogenic 5HT2A and/or 5HT2C agonists. Thats a very specific type of action.

Dissociatives by contrast are NMDA and SIGMA antagonists, and drugs who do so and have hallucinogenic effects are drugs that can *have psychedelic-like effects* but are not psychedelic drugs.
 
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Yeah tbh I wouldn't consider any dissociative a true psychedelic, not even ketamine. Serotonergic psychedelics feel nothing like dissociatives for me. Dissociatives tend to take me out of my body while psychedelics are all about what's inside. Of course this is my opinion and it will not apply to everyone but to answer your question no, I do not.
 
asante said:
DextromethorphAn is a NMDA and Sigma antagonist, and because of that its it's a dissociative
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Its = possessive pronoun vs. It's = it is. To remember, contractions always use apostrophes, while possessives do not (e.g. "whose").

As for the topic, I'm gonna agree with you. Psychedelic as a noun refers to 5HT2A mediated hallucinogens (I really hate that word), dissociative to NMDA antagonists, deliriants are mACh antagonists, and we don't have words for kappa opiodergic or GABAergic hallucinogens.
 
entheo said:
Absolutely not, I would never consider DXM a psychedelic. It's a dirty, sluggish intoxicant that happens to be a dissociative at higher doses.
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i tend to agree with this. in desperation i have had a handful of trippy DXM experiences, but they were more akin to a dirty, sick b-grade ketamine experience at best. there was one time where a bunch of friends got together and took mushrooms but i couldnt afford to pick up any and a couple other kids that were into the DXM thing were feeding it to me all night. this is the only time i had a "psychedelic" experience with this stuff. by psychedelic i mean ego-loss, not psychedelic in the classic acid/mushrooms/etc sense.

the ego-loss was VERY strong though and i had thought loops stronger than i ever had on genuine psychedelics. it was not pleasant. everything was incredibly strange and it almost hurt my brain to think. i pretty much just gave up and let the DXM take hold. from the limited knowledge i have of DXM, it was something like a "3rd plateau" experience. not unlike a K-hole, but with ketamine everything goes kind of blank/ethereal for me. with this, the little sensory perception i had was looped and repeated infinitely smearing through my warped sense of time. now if what i just said happened on LSD, it would have probably been awesome, but with this substance it was terribly unpleasant.

it sounds pretty crass but honestly i think DXM enthusiasts just need better drugs.
 
i find dxm to have the most value of any drug for introspection into my own life as well as providing many awesome and strange experiences at 3rd plat. having also used plenty of classic psychedelics i find them to be too fast and confusing to have many beneficial thoughts i can translate back to reality. i am very surprised at this forums general views on dxm but i guess most people dont give it enough of a chance as it is quite different and lower doses will just make you feel high and wonky.
 
MOTM said:
i find dxm to have the most value of any drug for introspection into my own life as well as providing many awesome and strange experiences at 3rd plat. having also used plenty of classic psychedelics i find them to be too fast and confusing to have many beneficial thoughts i can translate back to reality. i am very surprised at this forums general views on dxm but i guess most people dont give it enough of a chance as it is quite different and lower doses will just make you feel high and wonky.
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You're not alone, I agree. Before you say anything, I've done psychedelics. Weed, LSD. Even MDMA and oxycodone. I still beleive the DXM experience is great. It's unique and makes you think a lot about the same subject. Mainly the self.

DXM is my second favorite recreational drug next to weed. Weed has no negative side effects. I can never experience any bad thoughts on weed no matter what happens. Without weed the DXM trip would suck. The nausea is just terrible even after profusely puking.
 
Cuhpcakes said:
You're not alone, I agree. Before you say anything, I've done psychedelics. Weed, LSD. Even MDMA and oxycodone. I still beleive the DXM experience is great. It's unique and makes you think a lot about the same subject. Mainly the self.

DXM is my second favorite recreational drug next to weed. Weed has no negative side effects. I can never experience any bad thoughts on weed no matter what happens. Without weed the DXM trip would suck. The nausea is just terrible even after profusely puking.
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But MDMA isn't a classic psychedelic, nor weed and neither is oxy. Your 'LSD' could have been anything. But my point is that a trip that requires shitting your pants and has to be combined isn't really worth doing.


ComfortablyNumb95 said:
I hate when pople bash DXM that way. you can sure say that you don't like it, but not that "it's rubbish" because there are many people who enjoy it even having access to other drugs.
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The topic is that its not a psychedelic. Something doesn't have to be a psychedelic to be a good drug.

GreenMachine said:
i tend to agree with this. in desperation i have had a handful of trippy DXM experiences, but they were more akin to a dirty, sick b-grade ketamine experience at best. there was one time where a bunch of friends got together and took mushrooms but i couldnt afford to pick up any and a couple other kids that were into the DXM thing were feeding it to me all night. this is the only time i had a "psychedelic" experience with this stuff. by psychedelic i mean ego-loss, not psychedelic in the classic acid/mushrooms/etc sense.

the ego-loss was VERY strong though and i had thought loops stronger than i ever had on genuine psychedelics. it was not pleasant. everything was incredibly strange and it almost hurt my brain to think. i pretty much just gave up and let the DXM take hold. from the limited knowledge i have of DXM, it was something like a "3rd plateau" experience. not unlike a K-hole, but with ketamine everything goes kind of blank/ethereal for me. with this, the little sensory perception i had was looped and repeated infinitely smearing through my warped sense of time. now if what i just said happened on LSD, it would have probably been awesome, but with this substance it was terribly unpleasant.

it sounds pretty crass but honestly i think DXM enthusiasts just need better drugs.
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I agree. I wonder how many people would take DXM if it was illegal. I don't know who would actually bother to buy the grams of the stuff that feels like weed at low levels and makes you get sick at higher levels. It was a very high school experience for me, and I don't think I'd even bother with it if I had real drugs. Some like to just experience drugs, but I wont touch benadryl just to know what an unpleasant experience is.
 
Issac Sinclair said:
But MDMA isn't a classic psychedelic, nor weed and neither is oxy. Your 'LSD' could have been anything. But my point is that a trip that requires shitting your pants and has to be combined isn't really worth doing.



The topic is that its not a psychedelic. Something doesn't have to be a psychedelic to be a good drug.


I agree. I wonder how many people would take DXM if it was illegal. I don't know who would actually bother to buy the grams of the stuff that feels like weed at low levels and makes you get sick at higher levels. It was a very high school experience for me, and I don't think I'd even bother with it if I had real drugs. Some like to just experience drugs, but I wont touch benadryl just to know what an unpleasant experience is.
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Never said MDMA or oxycodone was a psychedelic. What is weed then? A dissociative?

It's cool that you have your opinion, but there's no need to be so aggressive.

I probably wouldn't go out of my way to grasp dextromethorphan if it was illegal.

Bashing on a drug of choice is a bit mean, especially on a drug forum. Who cares what someone's interests are if they aren't harming another?

Dextromethorphan is a dissociative, not a psychedelic. Thanks for clearing that up.

Issac, have you ever tried DXM?
 
Based on my experiences with DXM, the term "dissociative" sounds pretty accurate to me.
 
It is a psychedelic more than any of the other dissociatives. Remember that dextromethorphan is actually exceptionally weak as an NMDA antagonist and functions primarily as a non-selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor and sigma-1 agonist, it is dextrorphan that has the high NMDA affinity.

It can easily be argued that the potent serotonin reuptake of DXM is what adds a psychedelic edge to it.

How many of you have actually used DXM enough to know what it is all about other than on paper? Just curious here because DXM has actually produced some rather profound psychedelic experiences for me and others that I know, certainly it is much more of a psychedelic than ketamine, MXE, or PCP are. I've had psychedelic experiences on DXM rivaling the likes of LSD and mushrooms. Don't be so quick to dismiss it.
 
DXM's closed eye visuals are highly "psychedelic" ....different from the serotonergic psychedelics... more immersive and everybit as beatiful and amazing....people that bash DXM just don't get it, aren't cut out for it, havn't given it enough chances etc.


the close eye visuals of DXM have been better than those of ketamine and mxe in my opinion. they are much more beautiful and detailed even though you are not "tripping as hard", better CEVs with less intoxication required compared to ket and mxe.

DXM just lasts too long.....everysince I've had mxe, I havn't tripped on DXM, and to be perfectly honest, I feel something is missing. the experience isn't as good. MXE feels cleaner, and is more managable for day to day use but the overall experience is not as good as DXM i would say in terms of CEV's and music enhancement.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
It is a psychedelic more than any of the other dissociatives. Remember that dextromethorphan is actually exceptionally weak as an NMDA antagonist and functions primarily as a non-selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor and sigma-1 agonist, it is dextrorphan that has the high NMDA affinity.

It can easily be argued that the potent serotonin reuptake of DXM is what adds a psychedelic edge to it.

How many of you have actually used DXM enough to know what it is all about other than on paper? Just curious here because DXM has actually produced some rather profound psychedelic experiences for me and others that I know, certainly it is much more of a psychedelic than ketamine, MXE, or PCP are. I've had psychedelic experiences on DXM rivaling the likes of LSD and mushrooms. Don't be so quick to dismiss it.
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I'm guilty of indulging in quite a bit of DXM in HS and tbh, it wasn't very psychedelic at all. I find ketamine and even MXE way more psychedelic than DXM even though ket lacks serotonin activity. DXM always just made me feel like a retarted, stumbling, slurring zombie. I find ketamine way more visual and MXE more deep headspace wise. In fact I find MXE stronger mentally than most phens although I haven't tried *too*many as they're rather boring but even with that said I wouldn't consider any of them psychedelic. Technically psychedelic just means 'mind manifesting' so I guess you can make the arguement but IMO they're totally different. OT but DXM left some nasty visual disturbences for a while after weekly/bi-weekly use. I had wavy visuals and that weird flipbook strobing effect for months after cessation, nasty stuff IME. Also what was weird is it was like one day I loved it then the next I couldn't stand the stuff.
 
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