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Would this tek work with A confusa, P viridis or Diploterys?

Acid: Vinegar

Take the material and freeze it, and then have a pot of water gently boiling with vinegar.
Use 500ML of Vinegar : 2000ML of Water.
Use 2000ML of Water for 454 grams of plant material.

IF you do not have access to a stove. Set this in a Dark Place and stir it occassionally.
Leave it there for like 2-3 days, maybe adding a 100ml capful of vinegar here or there if you notice the smell going down.

Now... I've never worked with Sodium Bi Carb before.
I've only worked with Lye and Ammonia. Generally any Hydroxide Sodium or Potassium will work.
You want to get the PH up to 12. As that is what creates DMT Freebase...


I also don't know what you have access to or what products you want to use.
Some people don't like to use chemicals. I don't really mind.
 
you will need some ronsonol, or something else to actually extract it from the vinegar tea that you will be creating.

I hope it all works out for you.
 
It's not really jungle spice, that's what's formed when you do A/B or STB with a heavy aromatic solvent like xylene or toluene. I don't know what the yield is like on this, but if you're going to go to this much effort you might as well do it properly:
1. Mix ground MHRB with water.
2. Add sodium hydroxide until the mixture turns a nice deep black.
3. Add solvent.
4. Remove solvent.
5. Evaporate solvent or put in freezer.

That's seriously it.

btw, there's no point acidifying first if you're not going to extract anything before basifying, that's not really an acid/base extraction. Either do a pull and filter the mixture, so you can potentially clean up the product, or just go STB.
 
you need to do an acid wash. It's important in my honest opinion.
Freezing is 2nd most important. I don't know if you know much about coffee.
But the reason why it's better frozen, and then boiled, is because the oils secrete more rapidly from the bean into the boiling water.

Now if you have a bunch of leaves which contain a copious quantity of plant fats which are alkaloid rich. You want to break that down.


Here is my Idea of a very very very detailed Tek.
1. Freeze leaves, crush them into powder.
2. Boil them in the vinegar and water until no more color comes out of them.
Meaning, If you use 2 L, and you think the Tea, is as rich as it's going to get.
Put another 2L of water and 250ML of vinegar on there. You want every drop.

3. Then take that 4L of Tea, and boil it gently down to a workable 750ML.

Pour that into 3 glass jars 250 ML in each jar.

Use 25grams of Lye in each glass Jar.

Wait for the chemical reaction to occur and finish.

4. Add Naptha put on a lid and SHAKE it for like 30 seconds and then take the lid off.

5. Do this 10x over the course of one hour.

6. Remove Naptha//Ronsonol.

7. Put that in the freezer and go to bed. Waiting is a bitch.

8. Wake up and discover what you have in your crystal growing cup.
The smaller it is the better. You can get a 200ml pyrex dish for like 2 dollars at wal-mart.
 
Sorry, I thought from your other post that you meant you acidified the mixture and then added base without filtering. Yes, the acid step you describe is useful. If it was a fatty leaf, I'd do a pull with a heavy solvent like xylene on the acidified mixture to defat it a bit.
 
Is it not true that the typical STB and A/B extraction teks for DMT (see the DMT extraction thread for some via the Psychedelic Index) work for pretty much all these more or less ayahuasca-related tryptamine-containing Amazonian plants?
(Jungle spice aside for the moment, since that seems to be about unidentified secondary alkaloids with a different solubility - due to pi-bond interactions I guess?)
 
You see, i have never had any luck with STB.

I've always found that the plants generally contain way too many dyes, and resins and terpenes and fats. You need to acidify them first.
I end up with way too many emulsions in the naptha. Jungle Spice or not, it's just a bitch to clean up and isolate.

The other thing that i have been extremely curious to try out on Leaf Matter, is the exact same Tek people used to create BHO.

I want to take like a few hundred grams of Psychotria Viridis and run like 3-5 cans of butane through the leaves, and then
Evaporate the butane.

Obviously what would be left over after the Butane Evaporation, would be all of the plant fats, while you would still have a tube full of
Leaf matter.

My question would be then, is the DMT located in the BHO fat isolate,
or would it still be located in the crumbled leaf matter still.

I do believe i am onto something i just havn't experimented yet.
 
STB only works with something like MHRB, that has very little in the way of fats and just dumps DMT at the drop of a hat. If you're working with oily material, you need to defat it first (so acidify, do a pull with a non-polar solvent that just gets crap, then basify, pull again with non-polar to get your clean DMT). It's not really about different alkaloids, if you've got NMT or 5-MeO-DMT in there it's probably beyond the scope of this kind of kitchen chemistry to isolate those. This is just about producing a nice, clean alkaloid extract. You're right, though, these techniques are broadly applicable to a wide range of plant materials, I do STB just the same on Peruvian Torch, pull with xylene, then salt the mescaline out with aqueous HCl. STB is simple, but limited, with A/B extraction, and defatting, you should really be able to get any basic amine out of any mixture of undesirable shit.

Psych, I'm pretty sure that DMT is present as a salt in the plant matter, so you'd end up defatting the leaf with DMT still in it (which is probably the more convenient thing). I imagine you'd be able to go STB with it from that stage if you saw fit. It seems like an expensive way to do it, though, you'd achieve much the same thing if you just dumped some toluene or xylene or something in at your acid stage and then pulled and discarded it.
 
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Psychonautical said:
The other thing that i have been extremely curious to try out on Leaf Matter, is the exact same Tek people used to create BHO.

I want to take like a few hundred grams of Psychotria Viridis and run like 3-5 cans of butane through the leaves, and then
Evaporate the butane.

Obviously what would be left over after the Butane Evaporation, would be all of the plant fats, while you would still have a tube full of
Leaf matter.

My question would be then, is the DMT located in the BHO fat isolate,
or would it still be located in the crumbled leaf matter still.
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I have been thinking about doing this with the blue lotus flower and stamens ( Nymphaea Caerulea ) I recently did an QWISO with the blue lotus and it worked great it made this sticky tincture that does not taste bad at all and is incredibly powerful.

Lately I have been drinking Ayahuasca however I have put myself through enough purging, I like smoking DMT but I find it to be too be to much of a hard experience I don't like The immediate ringing in the head and visuals, just not my thing.

I am probably going either use this tek: http://dmt.tribe.net/thread/2c509726-71b2-4ac4-bfea-fe95cb3ec5a1
With acacia confusa power and Diplopterys Cabrerana mixture, to get a full spectrum alkaloid extract that will be rich in DMT and other terpenes fats etc.. which I don't mind.

I am then going do a crude extract with 91% IPA and caapi powder, evap and scrape.

Everything will be capped the dmt rich matter and caapi extract will be capped separately.

The other idea I have is just soaking A confusa and Diplopterys Cabrerana in ever clear.
and in a separate jar soaking b cappi for 5 days with shaking, strain evap.

Take the MAOI products a half an hour before dmt element, I think this is the sort of thing I am looking for, the AYA experience is sooo wonderful but I can't keep throwing up the taste alone chases me away now
 
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