Would it be disrespectful towards Lucy if...

[bitchamonth]

Heyzoo,

These last 2 weeks I`ve been taking lucy every weekend, and I am starting to wonder, though I have only done it 2 times so far, 1 week separated between them both. Whether I am tripping a little too often and well if this is sort of bad.
I understand the building up of tolerance though that is not an issue yet cause I was just recently a virgin so...

Anyway, last time the end of the trip went bad, so I am emotionally scarred for a while now, but I am starting to feel better and I feel more stronger now, experienced I guess, I mean I had to have a bad trip at some point or another.

I understand that taking it too often leads to spacing out and taking more time to return to reality, but my doses are never that big, so I don`t think that is a problem just yet.

Is there anything I am forgetting, some bad sides about taking it every week. Though after that bad trip, I think lucy tried to tell me that I should appreciate being sober a little bit more, that`s what my impression was at least. Please give me your insights thank you

 

[Magickduck]

Heyzoo,

These last 2 weeks I`ve been taking lucy every weekend, and I am starting to wonder, though I have only done it 2 times so far, 1 week separated between them both. Whether I am tripping a little too often and well if this is sort of bad.
I understand the building up of tolerance though that is not an issue yet cause I was just recently a virgin so...

Anyway, last time the end of the trip went bad, so I am emotionally scarred for a while now, but I am starting to feel better and I feel more stronger now, experienced I guess, I mean I had to have a bad trip at some point or another.

I understand that taking it too often leads to spacing out and taking more time to return to reality, but my doses are never that big, so I don`t think that is a problem just yet.

Is there anything I am forgetting, some bad sides about taking it every week. Though after that bad trip, I think lucy tried to tell me that I should appreciate being sober a little bit more, that`s what my impression was at least. Please give me your insights thank you

honestly people blame the RC's for many side effects but gold ol' lab tested LSD is what caused me the most mental side effects, a way a friend put it was like this: during the tripping happy light side you have fun giggle, then during the dark part after your done your left to piece back together the pieces of your "broken" psyche which is what i consider a gift as you get to do it yourself rather than society, but hey, I'm a fricken' cross dressing telepathetic weirdo nowadays, so who am I to say? hahahaha.

There are definitly near-perma-trips that happen, be careful, but it is a path for some of us I suppose, and all there is to do now is to laugh...

I ate it every 3 days or about every week for a while and i never went "crazy" during it but when I stopped eating it there was some type of rebound effect to the clarity it had helped me achieve and I went bonkers!! not to wish this upon you as everyone is different, but I have met others and I am not the only one.

Though honestly I am very happy I did that but I am extremely careful to never do that again. My reality is more alive than many others.

 

[enigmatiq]

Too much LSD in a short time causes major depression, dissociation and depersonalization in my case. LSD is something you take three times a year ideally. I think mushrooms are more forgiving if you take them regularly, but they can also mimic psychotic symptoms if you don't respect the mushroom spirit.

I feel more in control of myself and my surroundings after these experiences, but they were quite hard at the time and it caused a bit of stagnation in some parts of my life. I agree with Magickduck that it's unwise to repeat that kind of behaviour towards psychedelics.

Mental tolerance is also something to be considered. LSD will be less magical after a while and you will start to notice much more side effects, like strained muscles or intestinal cramps. Two weekends in a row isn't too bad, but still be careful. It's much more fun if you space out your trips.

 

[Solipsis]

A lot of different things can happen since LSD has a considerable impact on you and you need to learn how to process the experience and deal with it.

Pushing it by taking it too often especially when you have not learned to work with it yet, makes it increasingly unpredictable and risky. There are suggestive and influential effects and you are likely to become hypersensitive to things going on in your life and the things you experienced during the trip. Take proper time to integrate it.

Some people react better to LSD, others to mushrooms... but regarding the above you should consider them pretty much the same way.

I learned all of this the hard way in my case especially with mushrooms probably because they were the psychedelics I started with and also because I am sensitive to the impact of mushrooms on my emotions. In my case it was especially bad because I didn't know that psychedelic could cause such powerful spiritual experiences, then it happened to me. It's just an example of what can happen when you are taking powerful substances you are only beginning to understand and become familiar with.

Take it easy. Seriously. Don't make the same mistakes I made.

 

[!_MDMA_!]

Lol its a fucking chemical, you cant disrespect it

When you puke after drinking do you think "alcohol is telling me to enjoy sober life more"

Sorry but drugs users acting like a drug is some kind entity instead of a chemical reaction is really annoying

 

[pofacedhoe]

basically this^

its just a drug and while it can mess you up, so can amphetamine/mephedrone/heroin/propofol/etc.. they are all just drugs

 

[bitchamonth]

This is the third time I`ve lost what I`ve written as a reply to you folks. I am starting to get REAAAAAL pissed here. OMFG!!!! STUPID PIECE OF SHITT!!!!!
Anyway…
I`ll keep this sort because I am tired of rewriting this stupid reply.

I would think it is sort of normal for a recent virgin like me to be a bit overly eager on trying his first hardcore psychedelic, though I must add that I will not continue very longer this often or at this pace.

First time I tried Lucy I was amazed of how awesome it is. I realized how much my friends matter to me, and how happy I am having them. In addition to that I felt so much more close to them and to my family, and I had this amazing afterglow, which is difficult to describe, but I was smiling much more, and well it`s hard to describe, but I think you understand I was just changed so drastically towards the positive side of things.

#enigmatiq Every 3 years, where did you hear that? That sounds ridiculous. I mean it makes sense if you were to take 300uG-500uG doses each time and then allowing 4 months for the intense high dose trip to settle down and sink in, but small doses are more modest to me at this moment.
Likewise I think my limit is 100uG at this moment and I`m going to stick at that level for now.

#!_MDMA_! What I think I meant was that by disrespecting yourself, you are disrespecting the drug, therefore not allowing yourself to allow enough time to heal and well allow things to sink in. Something like that, many people refer to Lucy as a "teacher" you know because of the things "she" "shows" you. Weird, but it`s a metaphor I guess.

The truth is that I am not comfortable smiling at this moment, yes I am afraid of smiling. I don`t find it easy. I get this weird and strange sensation when I smile, I guess it`s because I am still feeling very "shocked" I guess, "overwhelmed" and smiling just makes me well, feel very bizarre. I assume it`s because of the bad trip.

I agree with most of what all of you are saying and I`ll probably take a 2-3 week break depending on how I feel in 4 days from now, but the more I think about last time the less I want to do it again just yet.

Anyway, thanks for the viewpoints, I`ll have them in mind

 

[Magickduck]

I never noticed any depression symtoms, and once every three years is quite limited, you must find a balance. Nowadays I may do it 3 times in a month and then not touch it again for a year, something like that.

Also to let you know, I never exceeded 300ug, I know my hits were exactly 100ug.

Another thing, are you sure you are getting real LSD? I know its getting rare to find it nowadays, especially with these new tasteless LSD analogues that fit on blotter like LSZ...

while LSD is a drug I think the fact that it opens your mind to the infinite possibilities of the universe allows certain types of spiritual experiences, though what I learned over time that it was not the drug that causes these and it is not LSD that is the entity, however and that can happen all the time if you start to understand that you don't need the drug to experience that...though I truly will never understand how a molecule can cause synchronicity i.e. the events around us that are actually happening that increase with dosage!

 

[bitchamonth]

I never noticed any depression symtoms, and once every three years is quite limited, you must find a balance. Nowadays I may do it 3 times in a month and then not touch it again for a year, something like that.

Also to let you know, I never exceeded 300ug, I know my hits were exactly 100ug.

Another thing, are you sure you are getting real LSD? I know its getting rare to find it nowadays, especially with these new tasteless LSD analogues that fit on blotter like LSZ...

while LSD is a drug I think the fact that it opens your mind to the infinite possibilities of the universe allows certain types of spiritual experiences, though what I learned over time that it was not the drug that causes these and it is not LSD that is the entity, however and that can happen all the time if you start to understand that you don't need the drug to experience that...though I truly will never understand how a molecule can cause synchronicity i.e. the events around us that are actually happening that increase with dosage!

Why wouldn`t you want to touch it for a year after doing it for like 3 times? Just curious.

I got mine from the deep web, the dealer had great rep so I trust that. Likewise I may be eating some other shit, but if you look away from the molecule itself, as long as I ain`t eating poison and as long as the drug helps me grow mentally that`s what matters to me at least.
I may get one of those testing kits one day, but for now I doubt it.
Yeah, molecules are strange :S

FYI: my lucy tends to taste slightly bitter, maybe because of the ink on the blotters, but I don`t know...

 

[bitchamonth]

I`m reading people saying 3 times to a couple of times a year, to some times a month. I mean I don`t know what to think people.
I have no plan on doing it more often than 1 time each week. but there is no way I am going to continue for very longer at that pace, I am feeling tired because of the lack of sleep, and I am slightly worried that I wont be giving myself enough time to relax after the trips and to let things calm down.

Are people serious about a couple of times a year? That`s a very limited and rare approach to trying the drug out. I mean I can understand the humbleness and not wanting to overdo it, but 3 times a year. Are you serious?

 

[lovepsychadelics]

People have different opinions. Try a binge if you must, lord knows I have. The shit just stops working due to serotonin depletion and MASSIVE tolerance. LSD is quite mild vs some other substances that have been developed in recent years. Bromodragonfly springs to mind as something to stay the FUCK AWAY FROM!

ALD 52 was something else... LSD perfection. LSD pales vs ALD 52. Now you have LSZ and ALAD or whatever... really should get around to trying those two.

Also some people find work/family and life gets in the way of tripping off your head to often.

 

[Solipsis]

Lol its a fucking chemical, you cant disrespect it

When you puke after drinking do you think "alcohol is telling me to enjoy sober life more"

Sorry but drugs users acting like a drug is some kind entity instead of a chemical reaction is really annoying

In most cases I would agree and I don't actually consider any drug an entity but I have learned to approach DMT and mushrooms or rather the potential for the experiences they produce, with respect and pure intentions. It is more of a symbolic and ritual thing. I never really understood the point of rituals until much later in my tripping career and always thought they were products of indoctrinated culture and tradition.
However preparing for a DMT, 5-MeO-DMT mushroom or mescaline experience with a sort of ritual that shows devoted attention to the experience I am about to embark on helps as a way to psychologically program yourself and it is a way to make it not-casual. (I also practice a form of martial arts and there are also a few ritualistic rules involved that are not meant to be taken literally but are a symbol for changing your state of mind and for making it clear that you are serious about something. When entering the room the training or examinations are in, there are a few rules that must be followed so that it is clear that there is a difference between how you think about practice a certain thing compared to how you normally think about things. There may be less tolerance for jokes, chaos, ignorance, abuse, so basically misconduct).
Back to relevance to psychedelics: To me this can be very beneficial and having respect for it also has something to do with acknowledging that despite feeling mentally stable and having the power over your own mind, there are some substances that can just be more powerful than you in that they are able to attack your ego and the power and will of your own mind and consciousness. When people say that mushrooms are a teacher this is what is meant mostly: it is best to surrender and let go in general so that the effects can run their course. I personally think the question whether a spirit inhabits the mushrooms that produces these effects is irrelevant - for the record I really don't believe in such a spirit or entity at all but.. - the whole point is that it can be true for you in a symbolic way.

For beginning trippers I don't find it inappropriate at all to extend this to a lot more other psychedelics as well until you learn to negotiate with them enough to approach them a bit more playful (but still not as toys).

I am generally an overly rational, skeptical and science oriented person and you are perfectly entitled to being annoyed by something... but hopefully you open to seeing that it is not all to be taken literally and that there are reasons for this kind of approach that aren't necessarily esoteric.
When people talk about a drug as an entity try to see if you can use the rationale I just explained to translate their way of saying things in your head.

 

[lovepsychadelics]

Solipsis I agree martial arts are very symbolic in meaning and ritual. The training is steeped in cultural belief/practice. It helps build discipline needed to continue the training and evolve your ability as a combatant. Also most martial arts originate from cultural/religious backgrounds that are directly reflected in the training such as Taoism. Just one example.

Tai Chi is based on an ancient form of unarmed combat and includes movements intended to dismount enemies on horseback. The ritual of the movement continues in today's Tai Chi despite it no longer being needed as an actual combat technique. Indeed Tai Chi is now a more meditative exercise for health and focusing the mind. This is just an example.

Chemicals are to be respected as much as the body we are given should be. I have chosen to disrespect both on many occasions with very BAD consequences. I do NOT however consider a chemical any sort of entity or that drugs provide anything more than a transient distraction or a tool to enhance creativity/imagination and free thinking. However the chemical process can have undesired health effects due to our bodies themselves being little more than a complex series of chemical reactions and electrical impulses along neural pathways.

I need to start training again, I'm lazy and unfocused...

 

[bitchamonth]

People have different opinions. Try a binge if you must, lord knows I have. The shit just stops working due to serotonin depletion and MASSIVE tolerance. LSD is quite mild vs some other substances that have been developed in recent years. Bromodragonfly springs to mind as something to stay the FUCK AWAY FROM!

ALD 52 was something else... LSD perfection. LSD pales vs ALD 52. Now you have LSZ and ALAD or whatever... really should get around to trying those two.

Also some people find work/family and life gets in the way of tripping off your head to often.

People have different opinions. Try a binge if you must, lord knows I have. The shit just stops working due to serotonin depletion and MASSIVE tolerance. LSD is quite mild vs some other substances that have been developed in recent years. Bromodragonfly springs to mind as something to stay the FUCK AWAY FROM!

ALD 52 was something else... LSD perfection. LSD pales vs ALD 52. Now you have LSZ and ALAD or whatever... really should get around to trying those two.

Also some people find work/family and life gets in the way of tripping off your head to often.

Hey,

I might have learned wrong, but LSD basically causes your brain to misinterpret LSD as serotonin, therefore causing all the various stuff that happens, Serotonin Depletion is caused by MDMA because MDMA causes the brain to release its own serotonin.
Depends on the dose I guess, I might just be in such a period now where I am really eager to experiment a little bit more than usual with this drug.
Though as I already said, I think this is just a period of my own experimentation and essentially I am curious, very curious, but I have no plan on fucking it it like it`s chocolate no matter how often I really want to take it, right now I am enjoying just being relaxed and sober.

 

[lovepsychadelics]

Perhaps it's just tolerance or your receptors are fried pretty much ends up being the same thing. That would explain why I don't get as fucked in the head as I did with MDMA vs abusing LSD. I'd imagine it'd do damage to the receptor sites though abusing the shit out of it. Love the chocolate fuck analogy.

 

[bitchamonth]

Damn that looks good, mmmmmmmmhmmm.

Anyway...
That`s just what I`ve read, I might very well be wrong.
Next I plan on staring at the clock while tripping, really exited on trying that, though it might be nothing special, but I think it`s could be cool :D

 

[!_MDMA_!]

In most cases I would agree and I don't actually consider any drug an entity but I have learned to approach DMT and mushrooms or rather the potential for the experiences they produce, with respect and pure intentions. It is more of a symbolic and ritual thing. I never really understood the point of rituals until much later in my tripping career and always thought they were products of indoctrinated culture and tradition.
However preparing for a DMT, 5-MeO-DMT mushroom or mescaline experience with a sort of ritual that shows devoted attention to the experience I am about to embark on helps as a way to psychologically program yourself and it is a way to make it not-casual. (I also practice a form of martial arts and there are also a few ritualistic rules involved that are not meant to be taken literally but are a symbol for changing your state of mind and for making it clear that you are serious about something. When entering the room the training or examinations are in, there are a few rules that must be followed so that it is clear that there is a difference between how you think about practice a certain thing compared to how you normally think about things. There may be less tolerance for jokes, chaos, ignorance, abuse, so basically misconduct).
Back to relevance to psychedelics: To me this can be very beneficial and having respect for it also has something to do with acknowledging that despite feeling mentally stable and having the power over your own mind, there are some substances that can just be more powerful than you in that they are able to attack your ego and the power and will of your own mind and consciousness. When people say that mushrooms are a teacher this is what is meant mostly: it is best to surrender and let go in general so that the effects can run their course. I personally think the question whether a spirit inhabits the mushrooms that produces these effects is irrelevant - for the record I really don't believe in such a spirit or entity at all but.. - the whole point is that it can be true for you in a symbolic way.

For beginning trippers I don't find it inappropriate at all to extend this to a lot more other psychedelics as well until you learn to negotiate with them enough to approach them a bit more playful (but still not as toys).

I am generally an overly rational, skeptical and science oriented person and you are perfectly entitled to being annoyed by something... but hopefully you open to seeing that it is not all to be taken literally and that there are reasons for this kind of approach that aren't necessarily esoteric.
When people talk about a drug as an entity try to see if you can use the rationale I just explained to translate their way of saying things in your head.

I have no issues with rituals before or during, all you're doing is changing your chemical balance in the brain. If that leads to a better experience, thumbs up.

 

[my3rdeye]

FYI: my lucy tends to taste slightly bitter, maybe because of the ink on the blotters, but I don`t know...

Maybe your question should be how often should I take an unknown chemical? I have taken LSD weekly for months at a time and don't notice any long term effects besides tolerance. I have no idea what you have though so who knows.

 

[maat]

I prefer time between trips to help integrate the experience. Regular meditation helps to integrate what is learned, and to deepen the trips themselves. Personally, this is where I'm at with LSD:

I only take LSD with MDMA, and vice versa. Ken Kesey called LSD "the acid test", I call MDMA "the teacher's assistant". It grants the emotional intelligence to navigate the LSD headspace, similar to how MDMA helps in therapy. "Open heart with open mind". I only trip every 3 months, although if an ideal situation arises, I'm willing to lessen that standard to 1.5 months. The long period between trips is partially to avoid negative physical brain effects from MDMA, partially to give time to integrate the experience.

Dose wise, I take between 100-150 mg MDMA with about 300 ug LSD. I prefer MDMA and LSD at the same time, many prefer MDMA 4 hours after LSD ingestion. A booster of half the original MDMA dose 1.5 hours after the original MDMA dose helps extend the MDMA duration another hour or two, although taking it with LSD extends MDMA duration from 4 hours to 6-7 hours anyway.

I have access to the real thing though, and at a high purity and guaranteed dose level, I actually don't recommend synthetics to people who don't know if they have the real thing, and then, at a high purity. Purity of product really does make a difference, low purity LSD I find leaves my brain feeling like it was deep fried in electricity. Pure LSD does not do this. As well, research chemicals such as NBOMEs and DOx compounds abound, and I hate DOx for its 20 hour trips and dark feel, and while 25i-NBOME yielded good experiences, it left my brain feeling like plastic and I saw occasional showers of bright white electric sparks for about a year afterward. 25i-NBOME did get a friend of mine off cocaine though, due to similar action as ibogaine, so that was absolutely invaluable and I don't regret taking it at all. I only learned about the similar ibogaine action much later btw, we did not even know it was 25i-NBOME when we took it.

I cannot stress how important intention is either. I use these chemicals to learn to improve myself as a person, and that definitely results in the best trips, when you seek accept to learn something for bettering yourself.

 

[Felonious Monk]

I have no issues with rituals before or during, all you're doing is changing your chemical balance in the brain. If that leads to a better experience, thumbs up.

This may be true, but everything I've learned about LSD just leads me to be more impressed by its majesty. The mechanism of action basically flips a switch in your brain, the LSD is gone from your body before the end of the trip...

I'm not saying LSD is an entity (though you've clearly never met the machine elves, haha) but it is a sacrament if taken in the proper context. Obviously anything can be done in any manner, a whore going to church doesn't make her a saint.
But once you hit high dose trips (1000mcg+) the spiritual cleansing aspect of LSD really begins to shine, and only grows as you go higher.
(That is not in any way suggesting anyone do that. Many people do make it through high dose trips whole, I just happen to have gotten more than I gave, and I'll be forever grateful.)