mrflowers00
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i have real bad ADD i can't focus on shit for more than 30min would it be worth it for me to start taking adderal
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Stimulants Would I benefit from amphetamines?
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Quiglesigles
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Is this a serious question? This doesn't seem like something a bluelighter with 2.5k posts would ask.
If used properly and with good intentions adderall or any prescription amphetamine can dramatically change the lives of people with ADHD. If you really think it would help you out go talk with someone about getting a prescription.
If used properly and with good intentions adderall or any prescription amphetamine can dramatically change the lives of people with ADHD. If you really think it would help you out go talk with someone about getting a prescription.
Mr.Scagnattie
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It's designed to help exactly that problem.. so.. yeah, it could definitely be worth it.
I'd consult your doctor and ask him..
shreddedlettuce
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If your patient cannot see and you prescribe glasses so that he is able to see, then do you prescribe the glasses?
Something Dr Edward Hallowell, world's top specialist in ADHD and ADD said and it made all the sense in the world to the whole "Kids on drugs debate".
Well, for me anyway.
Something Dr Edward Hallowell, world's top specialist in ADHD and ADD said and it made all the sense in the world to the whole "Kids on drugs debate".
Well, for me anyway.
mrflowers00
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well i left out the fact that i'm and opioid and benzo addict and have a highly addictive personality hence the question sorry
shreddedlettuce
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No problem, I've read most of your previous posts and it always seemed to me that you were on ADD/ADHD medication for a long time, hence do you have ADD/ADHD and did the meds work or do you end up feeling addicted to them?
It's just a bit odd to me and I just don't understand like why NOW?
It's just a bit odd to me and I just don't understand like why NOW?
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Crashing
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If you can focus for 30 minute clips, you definitely don't have ADD. You don't need a doctor to tell you that. And if you have a really addictive personality and already use opioids and benzos, then you probably don't want to add speed into the mix as well.
Ziiirp
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. For me, this flawed analogy is full of propaganda. Glasses enhance the quality of life, you can see the beauty of our world better, whereas stimulants modulate the signals in the nervous system in a way that the kid fits better into meritocracy. The development of an autonomous reward center in the brain is disturbed or delayed, life long addiction is common and no surprise if you ask me. That is only a minor setback compared to the physical complications (enhanced heart rate all the time as a kid ?, growing heart muscle etc.).For OP :
If you are an adult and can decide for yourself, there should be no problem in taking uppers occasionally. If you have other habits already, I would advice you to taper down as low as possible with the Benzos/Opiates and subsequently quit, because in case of a (even minor) stimulant OD, you gonna have to take even more for the comedown. I don't know your physical condition, but if you are relatively healthy, try to work out every second day (running a mile at first and constantly up the distance). Later you can attend courses or team sports. That is the best way, to quit unhealthy and expensive habits.
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And medication can't improve someones life because of all the others who abuse it without needing it? Bit of a "flawed analogy" in my opinion.
But you are entitled to have your say and I've said mine too.
But c'mon, am I that ignorant?
I'll leave that one up to you.
To me though it is as "clear as day".
Selah!
Treefa
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Yeah i wear glasses everyday...i even smoke weed and take opiates pretty much everyday...but i can't take adderall everyday or i would probably go pretty nuts and start robbing people.
Adderall can be very beneficial to certain people but i think it is extremely overprescribed. Fucksakes, i don't even think adhd is real, just a marketed condition that just happens to be treated with a schedule 2 narcotic.
Adderall can be very beneficial to certain people but i think it is extremely overprescribed. Fucksakes, i don't even think adhd is real, just a marketed condition that just happens to be treated with a schedule 2 narcotic.
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Ziiirp
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Gosh, that never ending discussion
... (I know your answer was as short as possible and I appreciate that :D)First, who says that uppers (Adderal, Meth, MDPV, Ritalin, Crack) fit the definition of "medication" ? A medication for me is a drug, that can stop the cause of suffer/death. If you do not take stimulants you neither suffer (unless you are addicted and your Noradrenaline/Dopamine-balance is already fucked) nor die. The suffering comes from the not fullfilled expectations inflicted to one by the society (i.e. industry). The lack of concentration in most times comes from a lack of interest or a lack of confidence of being able to achieve the goal. Stimulants can give you a false sense of confidence by artificially (!) enhance the amount of dopamine (and noradrenaline), we all know that here, in the cortex. In everyone, not only so called ADHD-"patients", that causes inner calmness and confidence, if the dose is low enough. Generally healthy people are calm by themselves, because they worked hard, they suffered to become confident. Most people (including myself at times) do not want to suffer to achieve a goal, that is why they choose the easier drug path. It is as simple as that. Everyone takes drugs. Some of us need the permission of a certified drug dealer (for instance doctors) to feel more secure in their drug use, but Meth won't get more healthy if it is handed out as Desoxine by a smart looking, gown wearing, sterile smelling old man (
), it still can cause psychosis and cardiovascular problems and giving it to your kid indicates that you do not care about the health of your breed. That was my point, sorry, for writing so much. I could have come to the point earlier, if my English was better ...I don't know, I did not think about your person. I just took your words and thought that they are opposed to harm reduction, i.e.
"feeding a kid uppers is the same as giving it glasses".
Shalom !
Ziiirp
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That gives my point empiric evidence. The doctors obviously do not know themselves, how to distinguish between a person with "ADHD" and a healthy person. Perhaps there is no way to differentiate between the 2 groups, because we do not yet have proper measurement methods of the amount of dopamine in the synapses. Just "qualitative" analysis methods via multiple choice tests ... that I call real science man. Applause ! :D
Sorry for (semi-) off-topic.
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mrflowers00
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ok the question is with an addictive personality is it worth risking all the bad adderal can do with the increase in focus and motivation
Znegative
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Have you had problems with methamphetamine or cocaine in the past (or any other stims, MDPV, Mephedrone, etc..)? If so it might be risky nut IME Adderall/Dextroamphetamine, is the one drug that seems to improve my life instead of screwing it..in fact, Adderall even helped me quit shooting cocaine and it also enabled me to seriously cut down on opiates and benzo's as well. If you're worried about the abuse potential you might consider another ADD medication called Vyvanse (lisdexamphetamine). Vyvanse/lisdexamphetamine is a prodrug to D-amphetamine (the CNS stimulant that makes up 75% of Adderall and all of Dexadrine) and it can only cannot be sniffed, shot, plugged etc..or rather i think I heard it could but it would be no different in terms of BA and onset than swallowing it. I think Vyvanse is a good medication, its similar to XR drugs (effects last much longer than IR amphetamine) and it is smoother than Adderall.
I would not consider any methylphenidate product.
I would not consider any methylphenidate product.
Wow lettuce, that was an awesome comparison. My psych. Is the most respected in scottsdale AZ and has been practicing 39 years. After having a 10 minute conversation with me he said "I def. think you have a serious case of ADHD" and it was then I Remembered growing up through grade and high school everyone always told me they think I have add
Frankly, I'm sick of alot of bluelighters saying there's no reason anyone should be prescribed amphetamines. And yes, I hear it ALL THE TIME on this site (and the people saying it are probably abusing other drugs8))
Hello*Kitty
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I USE to be very anti- ADHD/ADD and very anti stimulants..until I was diagnosed with a neurological disorder that gives me ADD type symptoms. Now I take adderall IR 20mgs. And im still finding out what works and what doesn't but I'm on the right path!
tricomb
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I fail to see how that serves as empirical evidence.
It's prohibited discussion anyways, this thread is already in a grey area in terms of forum guidelines and posting standards, it's pretty much asking whether you should try and get something RX'd, and the OD guidelines does not allow this discussion regardless of the legitimacy of the OP's case. If we allowed similar discussion for example, for legitimate chronic pain patients, that information can and will be used to exploit and manipulate doctors, and as a chronic patient who has suffered extensively as a result of this exploitation, witnessing doctors fear to prescribe medication even when they know it's needed, out of fear of losing their DEA license to prescribe medicine and wasting the millions of dollars they've invested in their career.
It's really sad, but it's true, chronic pain patients across the nation struggle for their pain to be taken seriously because the same medications that we take are the same ones that are on the news being robbed from pharmacies. Opioids have been stigmatized quite arguably more than any drugs in history, the only thing that comes close to the stigma associated with Roxicodone etc would be crystal meth... IMO....So that's why, we do our best not to allow discussion that provides addicts with a means of manipulating doctors.
I think it's a horrible idea to try without trying to treat the underlying conditions first. You are one of the most opioid-dependent individuals I have ever met. I think that you are subconsciously considering adding in CNS stimulants to counteract the 350-500mg oxycodone per shot you administer. Adding in your dependency to benzodiazepines, it's not rocket science.
No offense brother, I literally just think that you can't, or won't see the situation the way I do, as an outsider calling it as I see it. You take a huge amount of CNS depressants, enough to kill multiple human beings, maybe even an elephant, I don't know. I don't mean any disrespect, I just want to offer insight that you might not be capable of deducting due to all the CNS depressants in your system.
Interesting definition of a medication, but I must say, you express a lot of personal beliefs / opinions as if they were fact. You even go as far as to use the term empirical evidence. If my definition for empirical evidence is the same as yours, anyways....
In everyone, not only so called ADHD-"patients", that causes inner calmness and confidence, if the dose is low enough. Generally healthy people are calm by themselves, because they worked hard, they suffered to become confident. Most people (including myself at times) do not want to suffer to achieve a goal, that is why they choose the easier drug path. It is as simple as that. Everyone takes drugs. Some of us need the permission of a certified drug dealer (for instance doctors) to feel more secure in their drug use, but Meth won't get more healthy if it is handed out as Desoxine by a smart looking, gown wearing, sterile smelling old man (
I don't know, I did not think about your person. I just took your words and thought that they are opposed to harm reduction, i.e.
"feeding a kid uppers is the same as giving it glasses".
Shalom !
I have bolded parts of your post that flat are either fallacy; your personal opinions being passed off as fact and "empirical evidence".
I'm closing this thread because it's crossed into the realm of the forbidden,
@OP, see a doctor for a second opinion, and I mean a doctor who is qualified to do more more than just prescribing medications en masse. Best of luck, stay safe, hope you and your pops are hangin in there.
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