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WIN 55,212-2 - First Time - A fantastic cannabinoid

^ I've had JWH-018 and 81 now. They were both quite good, but not as psychedelic as I might have wished.
 
Yes, it is good isn't it :) . I haven't tried CP 55,940.... quite keen to try out a few of the nonclassical cannabinoids like the CP 55,940, as well as JWH-133 (despite the JWH- designation, it is not one of the indole ones)
 
Is WIN 55,212-2 still uncontrolled - or has it been scheduled? If so, what countries. I would have thought it would have been covered by the analogue laws even if not singled out specially.
 
Not sure about the US as it has that BS rule about a drug being an analogue if it's similar in effect, afaik? Other than that though it should be uncontrolled worldwide as it's very structurally distinct to any existing scheduled drugs.
 
afaik, you cant get in trouble for any of these chems(especially in 50-100mg Qtys) unless they catch you selling them to people. Yeah US govt basically does what ever the f**k it wants and has some ridiculous BS laws but even we don't have any rule like "similar in effects", if that was the case all the companies that make robatussins could be prosecuted.
 
Will this compound show up on a drug test if it is a drug test done at a medical lab that tests for "cannabonoids"?
 
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Just out of curiousity, why wouldn't WIN, JWH or CP show up on a drug test? Would Marinol?
I would think that Marinol would, but I don't know enough about WIN or CP to know how they work. I know Marinol is THC, but what exactly are these others?
 
Synthetic cannabinoids.

Without actually knowing anything about it, my guess is that there is a specific metabolite being tested for in a drug test, so it's only possible to cover a broad spectrum of substances in a single test if those substances all have that metabolite. And these cannabinoids most likely do not produce whatever metabolite that is.

To test for these they'd have to find out what metabolites these are producing and then test for each independently, which no drug testing facility would ever do because no one knows what the fuck WIN 55,212-2 is. =D
 
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Cannabis contains THC as well as CBD, correct? So, drug tests only look for delta-9 THC or something?
I was under the impression that the higher the ratio of CBD:THC was, the more "lazy couch potato" type high it would produce. The other way around would be the trippier, more energetic type high. Am I crazy or totally wrong about this?
 
Yep.

I believe they test for the presence of 11-nor-9-carboxy-THC, it being the primary product of THC's metabolism.

WIN 55,212-2 is completely structurally distinct from THC. There is no way you would fail a cannabis drug test for using WIN 55,212-2.

CP 55,940 is a lot closer to THC in structure, but you should get away with that as well.
If you were suspicious enough that you got your urine taken for GC-MS analysis (I have no idea why this would happen, you'd have to be pretty badass ;)) they they would definitely have some questions to ask why you had exotic cannabinoid-type structures in there and where they might have come from... but hey, you wouldn't have used any THC! Haha.
WIN 55,212-2.. well, it doesn't even look like the normal cannabinoids so they'd have to be well clued up to have any idea.
 
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Well, THC is a cannabinoid, correct? I mean, I just want to get things clearer for me. Why would it be said that THC and CBD are contained in cannabis? Isn't that a redundant statement, if THC is a cannabinoid? Or is it that there are so many different CBDs that THC has been found to be the best "high" one, and the others cause more lethargy?
Very interested in this stuff, so I'm asking questions I hope you guys can answer, assuming you understand what I'm talking about...I plan to go to college to get more into pharmacology.
 
Actually, THC and CBD are both cannabinoids... they're different ones. They're the two primary cannabinoids found in cannabis. There are actually perhaps hundreds of cannabinoids contained in marijuana, it's just that THC and CBD are the two primary ones. We don't really know what it is that causes sativas and indicas to differ. Presumably it has something to do with ratios of THC and CBD. I kind of think it's more complex than that and that all of the cannabinoids are acting together to subtly alter the experience, which is how you get different strains feeling different from one another aside from just the sativa vs indica thing. Individually most of the cannabinoids you couldn't feel, but all together they alter the experience when combined with THC/CBD/whatever other stuff is in there.
 
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Yes THC and CBD are cannabinoids. These compounds were named cannabinoids because they're from the cannabis plant as you know, and were known to bind to certain types of receptors in the brain (CB1 and CB2), so they also named those receptors 'cannabinoid receptors'. Later, though, more structures of drugs that looked structurally different but bound to the same receptors were discovered. Because they bind to the cannabinoid receptors, they are called cannabinoids, despite not actually coming from the cannabis plant. Hope that's clear :) .
 
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