Will this pattern of opiate use lead to addiction? (experienced opiate users reply)

[Thyme]

Snorting 20mg of Oxy a night. Later at night after work to unwind and help me sleep.

If i keep this up without taking a few days break every couple of weeks, will i eventually become very tolerant and hardly get a buzz anymore, and go through withdrawls when i stop?

Can anyone with experience like this give me their thoughts?

I know taking lots of opiates all day long for weeks on end will get me addicted and put me through some fucking horrible withdrawls. Ive made that mistake before. And never, ever want to again.

I just wanna walk the line between recreation and habit. Without crossing it.

 

[Oxide]

Consecutive daily use will cause a tolerance and dependence to develop, period.

Breaking for a few days a week isn't enough, and eventually you will gain a dependence. Switching to oral will do you a lot of good, not only is the bioavailability of insufflated oxycodone much lower than the orally ingested route, but you will probably find it easier to exercise your willpower. The lengthed duration of action is nice, as well. Not to mention the damage you can do to your extremely sensitive, evolutionary tuned nasal passages with the binders and fillers in the pills.

You're going to need longer intervals in between, for starters.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

^Yep.

Taking a break for a few days won't do you much good, and daily usage will give you tolerance faster than you think.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

Dosing this regularly will certainly build tolerance rather quickly. When people take steady doses such as when opioids are used therapeutically, what happens is tolerance to the analgesia and certain side effects (constipation being notable) hardly progresses as all while tolerance to the 'high', the sedation, the itchines and other (side) effects develop pretty rapidly. You won't be able to achieve the same level of recreational effects for very long dosing every day.

If you are only dosing once daily, it will take longer to start to notice real physical dependence where you are experiencing full-blown opioid withdrawals but expect irritability, insomnia, etc. to set in pretty quickly if you're dosing every night then abruptly stop.

Opioids are pretty safe to be dosing regularly if you use them in a controlled manner which is WHY they can be so dangerous - you use them safely and regularly for a while thinking you're good until you start to lose your ability to regulate how much you use them and then the craving starts to become too much and you lose control over that use. Everyone thinks they can schedule and regulate their use and avoid that from happening but the problem is there isn't some big warning signal that it's about to occur so you can stop it from happening; you hardly realize you're starting to depend on them too much psychologically until it's too late and using them in a controlled manner is no longer an option.

Almost no one alive can use opioids that regularly without it affecting them psychologically. With lots of drugs, they are more forgiving and can give you a prolonged 'honeymoon' but with opioids, physical and psychological dependence can set in pretty rapidly with that regular of use.

 

[Thyme]

not what i wanted to hear /:<

but thanks for saving me heaps of trouble down the road
i have a great job that i dont wanna lose this time
so, thank you.
i appreciate it. a lot.

Thyme

Switching to oral will do you a lot of good, not only is the bioavailability of insufflated oxycodone much lower than the orally ingested route, but you will probably find it easier to exercise your willpower. The lengthed duration of action is nice, as well. Not to mention the damage you can do to your extremely sensitive, evolutionary tuned nasal passages with the binders and fillers in the pills.

Ye i know. But, for oral oxy to give me a buzz i can enjoy, i need to be on an empty stomach. And with my physical job and skinyness, i cant afford to not be eating to fullness every few hours.

For this reason I strongly beleive that switching to the oral route would be a step in the WRONG direction, where i start to put the drug in front of real physical life needs.

Also for this reason, ive been looking into considering injecting. I have a dull rig and no micron filter (i dont even know what that is exactly or where i could find one) and i plan on using it when money inevitably gets tight once in a while (for uncontrolled reasons seperate from drug spending)

Is it very bad to IM or skinpop Canadian Oxy80's? is there some important steps i should take to ensure my safety and/or health?

 

[Cane2theLeft]

You can NOT IM or SC *ANY* pill safely - it's pretty much guaranteeing an abscess and could very easily produce infection. Your blood can at least somewhat filter out the nasty shit you put in it... your muscles and skin not so much.

You're trying to argue that for your health you need to snort or shoot pills instead of taking them orally? Ignore my post above because it was written with the assumption you weren't already deluding yourself to this degree. I'm sorry if this comes off as harsh, but you asked, right?

Of course everyone tells themselves they'll only shoot once in a while to save money but everyone also tells themselves they can schedule their use to prevent addiction. You've already started rationalizing your use, keep using with any regularity and go ahead and start mourning the loss of that job and probably your health.

 

[Oxide]

The transition is different, yes. Especially when you get into the habit of snorting. You'll have to give up the short-lived rush, but I think you might agree that would be for the better.

You only need to have an empty stomach right before the dose, though, you can eat to your hearts content not too long after ingesting the pill, maybe 15 minutes or so.

No excuses man, Cane has the right idea here. You're on a slippery slope, and it's only going to get more slippery from here.

 

[cdin]

Ok, this is something i know a little about. A while ago i was *severely* addicted to heroin, after an ibo session i came through the other side lucky to be alive, let alone disease free and relatively healthy(reminds me - and to everyone else - GO GET TESTED!). At that point i made a deal with myself never to have a physical opiate habit again. Since then i have switched only to ox, usually in 30mg doses, which used to be unheard of for me. It's been two years, and i do use them frequently - the biggest thing i can tell you is - NEVER USE OPIATES FOR MORE THAN A DAY. it's the days in a row/getting your body used to the substance that REALLY kicks in the problems. I have had times when i used 30 - 80mg every 48 hours for months at a time - at the end of which i CERTAINLY was developing psychological symptoms - irritability, lack of hunger, general dysphoria, but any time i start hitting that point within the next 48hours after use i IMMEDIATELY cease using opiates. You've got to have an iron will to do this right, coupled with access to other helpful compounds - and in a lot of ways it's not even worth it. i personally have backed off my opiate usage significantly to avoid these negative mental effects. One thing to look into tho - try black cumin seed for potentiation, i only use 30mg with the cumin seed now, subjectively get effects like an 80 but without nearly the same addictive potential. just my .02, good luck - DO NOT FALL INTO THE BLACK OPIATE ABYSS - it's harder and harder to get out each time.

peax

 

[brasschuckles]

1/20 chance of one time use becoming "addicted" according to studies.

Physical tolerance is obviously just a function of what you take and is therefore quote/unquote quite managable.

I just wanna walk the line between recreation and habit. Without crossing it.

Asking this question means you have already crossed it. If you want to know how long you can get along without suffering negative consequences, the answer is the longer you fuck around the greater the consequences will be. That is quite linear as well.

 

[verso]

I love these will-I-become-addicted threads...

Snorting 20mg of Oxy a night. Later at night after work to unwind and help me sleep.

If i keep this up without taking a few days break every couple of weeks, will i eventually become very tolerant and hardly get a buzz anymore, and go through withdrawls when i stop?

Yes you will become tolerant and you will experience withdrawals. And here's the thing: You'll quickly learn that the 20 mg you snorted just nights before no longer does the trick and a larger dose is needed. Do you see where this is going?

I know taking lots of opiates all day long for weeks on end will get me addicted and put me through some fucking horrible withdrawls. Ive made that mistake before. And never, ever want to again.

It's no guarantee that you'll become mentally addicted, but you will grow physically dependent for sure.

I just wanna walk the line between recreation and habit. Without crossing it.

If you're snorting 20 mg oxy each and every night, eh, you're moving closer to habit than recreation.

 

[Thyme]

You can NOT IM or SC *ANY* pill safely - it's pretty much guaranteeing an abscess

haha what i IM'd a couple of dillies just last week. youre obviously not experienced so i'll have to disregard the rest of your post.

but sorry if this comes off as harsh >;D

You only need to have an empty stomach right before the dose, though, you can eat to your hearts content not too long after ingesting the pill, maybe 15 minutes or so.

good point. youre definitely right. NO EXCUSES. thanks man



id love to read everyone elses posts but bedtime for now. thanks for the tips guys, especially you oxide. you seem legit and im glad youre a mod. pce

 

[Tripman]

haha what i IM'd a couple of dillies just last week. youre obviously not experienced so i'll have to disregard the rest of your post.

but sorry if this comes off as harsh >;D

This is probably one of the least intelligent things i've ever read. I'm sorry, this probably comes across as harsh but you just ignored a post from arguably one of the best posters on BL in regards to harm reduction because he gave you rock solid advice...

He said you can't IM any pills SAFELY. Not that you can't do it.

IM'ing pills is honestly one of the worst things you can do in the interest of HR. Just because you can cross the road once with your eyes shut doesn't mean the next time you wont get hit by a car. .

There is an incredibly large amount of evidence that shows abscess and loss of limb from IM'ing bad IV prepped pills. Shit even if you prep it well It's not safe.

Fact is, your veins can take more than your muscles can... Not that IV'ing pills is a good idea either, but it is in fact safer in regards to infections etc...

Perhaps you should do a bit more research, I can tell you that I am a very experienced IV user having done daily heroin until I was slamming a gram a day.

Disregarding Cane's post is really choosing to disregard HR which is what BL is about. .

/end rant.

 

[Thyme]

maybe, but a "guaranteed abcess"?
i shot it into like 5 different places different times and got 0 abcesses
so something must be wrong if the best poster on bluelight says somethings guaranteed when it absolutely isnt

a good poster should be saying real things and not just trying to scare people by saying the worst is "guaranteed" to happen


(in a rush for work still dont have time to read all the other great posts above)

 

[Tripman]

"pretty much".

Point in fact is that it is highly likely to cause infection.

 

[Pjkt2501]

Regarding the OP's question: you're going to get dependent on the drug, if you're not already. There's a difference in definition between addicted and dependent, and it seems to be being ignored. Your passe' attitude toward it shows a lack of proper addiction, but daily use inevitably has you dependent to some degree, no two ways about it. Happened to me doing 15mg of roxy every day over the past few winters. I quit in the spring when it's warm enough to think again, but last winter and this year, my habit soared to new highs. Never did I think I'd do 2-3 30mg roxy's each and every day for months at a time. Considering the cost... holy fuck. /facepalm to me

 

[Thyme]

whoa. thanks for the informative post, but im pretty well versed in pharmacology, at least for the average joe. I know how dependance and tolerance works. I was just looking for someone with experience to let me know if 20mg a night would get me dependant on the stuff. Just like how you can have a beer a night and not become dependant on alcohol to function, or get strong cravings for it to lift your mood.

oh yeah and with regards to the whole addiction vs dependance clarification; yeah perhaps i did mean dependant and not "addicted".
physically and mind-chemically (up and down regulation of neurotransmitters and dulling of receptors etc) dependant. not "unable to control myself addicted!"

It's no guarantee that you'll become mentally addicted, but you will grow physically dependent for sure.

Wait so what do you mean by addicted then?
reliant on it for mood?

cause this is the most important aspect of it for me. i dont mind shitting myself and etc (well, i do, but..) cause at least i can hide it and appear normal for the holidays when i run out

i cant hide post-use depression and emotionality though :/

 

[Thyme]

Regarding the OP's question: you're going to get dependent on the drug, if you're not already. There's a difference in definition between addicted and dependent, and it seems to be being ignored. Your passe' attitude toward it shows a lack of proper addiction, but daily use inevitably has you dependent to some degree, no two ways about it. Happened to me doing 15mg of roxy every day over the past few winters. I quit in the spring when it's warm enough to think again, but last winter and this year, my habit soared to new highs. Never did I think I'd do 2-3 30mg roxy's each and every day for months at a time. Considering the cost... holy fuck. /facepalm to me

Finally someone with real experience and not just some internet warrior who copy/pastes things to scare people while being considered the "best poster" on bluelight.

Aight so this threads a couple of weeks old, but if youre still around; what were the withdrawls like coming off of 15mg/day in the spring?

Were they mild and short, or did it still take a week to recover fully?

thanks

 

[Tripman]

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You have no Idea.

If you consider a year daily IV use as not experienced...

And I would guarantee that Cane did not c/p his post...

You realise he was an Admin until recently?

 

[effie]

You may get away with IMing for a while, as the muscle has a fairly rich blood supply, but no where near as rich as a vein and eventually you will run into trouble. Subcut has a very poor blood supply and skin popping is pretty much the most risky ROA in terms of short term complications - which can easily become long term if your abscess gives you septicaemia or you develop necrosis (tissue death) and lose part/all of your limb. Street drugs are bad cos they are full of bacteria and unknown cuts, but pills are especially bad due to the fillers/binders - you are effectively introducing a LOT of foreign material into your body, which is a perfect breeding ground for bugs and even without that will initiate an inflammatory response as your body tries to clear it. Using a micron filter decreases the risk but does not remove it; no matter how careful you are, without surgical gown/gloves/mask and a sterile field it is impossible to prep a shot in a completely sterile way...

This wasn't c+p'd from anywhere and I am experienced, from a slightly different perspective to many of you.

I agree with those who say you are heading for addiction and/or dependence - you might avoid physical dependence but the mental addiction will creep in, or you might avoid mental addiction but find yourself withdrawing if you don't get your drug for a few days. Tis a slippery slope.. no one wants to hear that - opioids are great, we'd all love to take them every day if we could. Sadly we can't.

 

[verso]

whoa. thanks for the informative post, but im pretty well versed in pharmacology, at least for the average joe. I know how dependance and tolerance works. I was just looking for someone with experience to let me know if 20mg a night would get me dependant on the stuff

You're more than welcome.

And if you're so well-versed in pharmacology, and you already know how dependence and tolerance works, then you should know whether or not 20 mg a night would "get you dependent on the stuff." Right? So close the thread, then. It looks like we're done here...