Will the New Tobacco Tax stop you from buying Tobacco to mix with your Marijuana?

[Jabberwocky]

why the hell would you want to contaminate your weed with tobacco! if you're going to smoke it, don't spin. you're best of using a vapouriser.

a lot of friends in highschool who started with just "spinning" are now smoking a pack a day

 

[Busty St Clare]

$20 a packet isn't a problem when you are only bumming one cigarette of a random girl at the end of the night so you can go home and have a comedown spliff.

 

[expothead]

Yeah right. As if it would be that easy.

Even from a sheer financial perspective, it's only 10 cents more per mull. (or thereabouts)

 

[Mr Blonde]

I don't smoke weed.

I still smoke cigarettes.

I'm hardcore like that. Fuck the Government, trying to make me quit with their brainwashing and taxes and shit.

^ but that post he didn't answer was bold, so he didn't read it yet, so he could have read it and answered it but he took the screen shots beforehand. so that last one is questionable.. only he can tell us the truth on whether he read and answered it or not.

Hey, people who smoke weed, can I ask why you spin? What's the rationale behind it?

 

[sex_bomb]

smoke it strait and its all good

 

[Busty St Clare]

Hey, people who smoke weed, can I ask why you spin? What's the rationale behind it?

I don't spin when it comes to bongs but I prefer the better burn you get when smoking spliffs. I find it easier to roll also. Rather than sucking like there is no tomorrow with a solid weed joint, a baccy mix can be sat on and from my experience a little more social.

It is a fine balance though as I am not a cigarette smoker. Too much tobacco and the heady rush is replaced by a sick greening effect.

 

[expothead]

I think you are underestimating the inherent laziness of your average pot head.

Pffft to the stereotype.

It's not a case of pothead laziness that would protect the tax. It's simply a case of convenience. I mean do, you grow your own food ffs?

Sure - there might be a black market, but if pot was cultivated and sold I would be betting the price would plummet from current street prices (and we would still make a motza from even just a modest tax). This would make it largely uneconomical for organised crime.

Great idea, win-win all the way. But the real question is - what is the cost to society of no longer making it a crime to consume cannabis? (pretty small imho) So much to gain, so little to lose...

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Ah, that makes sense.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Sometimes I despise the fact that weed is becoming a more socially acceptable drug and is already used a lot socially and I can't use it.

Thanks for the info!

 

[bit_pattern]

For some reason straight weed make you cough when you are used to mixing it. Plus there's the whole thing of fixing two addictions in one go, I've always said that I enjoy baccy/weed together more than either one on their own. But you can get back to smoking green if you get yourself used to it, and don't ry to punch a whole cone. I've given up baccy and when I do rarely smoke weed I'll only do it straight.

 

[bit_pattern]

I know PLENTY of people who got addicted to nicotine through bongs. Soon as they can't get weed they fiend after cigs. Take my advice, your better off not buying a pack and figuring out other means of stretching your weed supply out (buying another $20 worth sound perfect if you ask me ). Nicotine addiction is a hell of a thing.

 

[heythatsmybike]

mostly cut my mix with baccy when i'm sharing with a few people. Stretches it out further, more cones for scabbing bastards. I'll always use baccy when rolling doobs, as stated above it keeps the burning going especially if your bud is still wet.

It sucks prices have gone up, but it doesn't really bother me. Everything goes up in price over years and i make more than enough money to not care anymore.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I don't spin when it comes to bongs but I prefer the better burn you get when smoking spliffs. I find it easier to roll also. Rather than sucking like there is no tomorrow with a solid weed joint, a baccy mix can be sat on and from my experience a little more social.

It is a fine balance though as I am not a cigarette smoker. Too much tobacco and the heady rush is replaced by a sick greening effect.

i'll add rolling tobacco to my joints for that pleasurable burn you're talking of, not in any other mix though. i've never liked using taylor made tobacco; the taste and uneven burning and constant relighting. whereas you can sit back on a nice top o the range white ox for a good 4 hours without having to spark again, not really but rolling tobacco burns slower and my choice for joints.

hell, as long theres a newspaper around at least, i'm happy enough. though don't pass me the coke can...

 

[hyroller]

seeing as you don't need much tobacco really, I can't see many people quitting the practice entirely

 

[belarki]

It is a fine balance though as I am not a cigarette smoker. Too much tobacco and the heady rush is replaced by a sick greening effect.

Takes me back to my first bucket bong experience. Let's just say at the time I could count the cigarettes I'd ever smoked on one hand. It only took a few buckets for me to green out and plenty of vomiting ensued...

 

[acidprime]

I spin, but i don't smoke ciggies. Ciggies on their own make me feel sick.

Smooths out the smoke, not to mention the instant "hit" you gain from mixing, in saying that, the high is definitely more of a spike than a nice mound.

I believe its due to the ammonia assisting THC cross the BBB.

This does make having times of no pot interesting for the first day or two, there is a niccotine addiction in there, but its mild and shortlived, probably due to the fact i spin about 1 packet of 20's a month.

To answer the question, no an extra $2.50~ on top of the $10 i was paying a month is not going to stop me, the acquiring of a vape has cut down on the need for spin substantially to.

 

[De quincy]

The new tobacco controls are a fucking laugh! They already tax the shit out of tobacco, $20+ for a packet is a god damned joke.

I believe marijuana should be legalised and taxed but not to the extent cigarettes are now being taxed.

I totally agree that $20 is a lot to pay for a pack of ciggies, but being a non-smoker I can see the logic as it is the big drug killer.
The question is, would you pay $20 for a packet of cannabis cigarettes or the weighted amount needed to make a pack if they were legal under a regulated system? (Purely hypothetical moderators, hope I’m not in breach of cost issues guidelines etc)

I'm trying to ascertain what people would be willing to pay if we had a regulated system.

 

[De quincy]

Alright there has been alot of discussion about the ridiculous prices for Cigarretes after the legislation being discussed and passed through government in which :

"The Federal Government will raise taxes on cigarettes by an extra 25 per cent, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has confirmed.The hefty hike, which takes effect from midnight tonight, will put another $2.16 on a pack of 30 cigarettes.A government statement says the changes will cut tobacco consumption by six per cent and the number of smokers by two or three per cent - about 87,000 Australians."

But a question that has definitly crossed my mind is, will this stop those marijuana smokers who dont smoke cigarettes daily, but do buy them to mix in or "Spin"with their weed for buying cigarettes?. Mixing Tobacco with Weed or "Spinning" is quite common to a degree amongst Australians, especially amongs young adults and teenagers. If Cigarettes hit the $20 price that that are already close to now "Peter Styvusent and Winfeild are $18" Will this have an effect on cutting down the number of people "Spin" thier weed, while increasing the numbers who smoke marijuana straight? Myself and alot of my friends, have already decided the simple cost ratio is too high now Like it was all good when a pack was $10 but double that is just sad. Now its probably better to put that extra money towards more weed rather than forking it out for cigarretes than unless you a passive smoker you will probably not get your bang for buck for... Your thoughts?

What’s really amazing about this situation is that in Australia in the 1970’s virtually all cannabis smokers only ever smoked straight pot. As pot was only $30 an ounce (28 grams) and a packet of Drum was only 88 cents, trust me I remember. As the popularity of pot became more mainstream and the black market exploded people started mixing spin into the mix to make it go further. The popular consensus, although anecdotal, is that the cost of pot contributed to this change in smoking patterns. Now we have a situation where the price of tobacco is being considered as too expensive a luxury to add into the mix.
All I can say is that Prohibition works in mysterious ways.

 

[infectedmushroom]

Yes, it probably will. I'm 18, I just can't afford/be fucked paying $20 for a deck or possibly more for a pouch of good quality tobacco.

Besides, I can get completely non-tobacco 0-nicotine herbal cigarettes which work just as well for spin for much cheaper. I have one more 30g pouch of White Ox from a while ago so i'll probably savor and use it just for spliffs/cones.

Nothing will replace the urge for a durry when drunk though.

 

[expothead]

would you pay $20 for a packet of cannabis cigarettes or the weighted amount needed to make a pack if they were legal under a regulated system? (Purely hypothetical moderators, hope I’m not in breach of cost issues guidelines etc)...

Hell yeah!