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Will i see a decent government before i die?

I honestly absolutely aspire to be a council-house dweller (been there previously but circumstances forced me back into the private rental market again. And now my circumstances are not as good to land another one easily, and am getting too old and fucked for the outdoor/travelling life I lived years ago)
 
Bleaney said:
Burnham's setting his agenda speech got a positive approval rating from me.

Everything he said seemed unobjectionable, and certainly moving the party back a good deal further to the left.

I don't care if he's selected someone pro-Israel tbh. Who can honestly disentangle the mess of that catastrophe and say that both sides are without fault.

My only criticisms are that he did not go far enough on the utilities, only saying that public controls over private companies will be increased, but not that they will be made public, or re-nationalised, again.

That's probably too much of a battle to take on all the lobbyists behind those groups, as they would destroy him by any means possible, for attempting such a move.

A much needed and ambitious plan to actually do something about building affordable council housing, an issue that was continuously overlooked and disregarded by the tories, although the need is desperate.

This has been set out as a ten year plan for building council housing with density. Probably meaning high rise estates. Although he made such a point about council housing being aspirational, I assume that means he wants high quality developments. Things have really come to something if council housing is now seen as aspirational. Back in my parents day the aspirational wanted to get out of council housing and to buy their own privately owned home, not on a council estate.. But obviously the housing market is so unaffordable now, that I can see where he's coming from, in as much as decent quality affordable council housing will be a better option than poor quality private housing, at rip off level rents.

Unfortunately though, while ten year plans are all well and good in theory, it does seem a tad presumptuous to assume that he, or Labour will still be in power in ten years time.

This is the problem, that when politicians actually have solid plans and ideas, time is needed to implement these ideas, and they either run out of time, get booted out of office, or the budgets run out of control.

If recent experience with any big plans from the tories is anything to go by - HS2 etc.

A further plan to abolish council tax, and replace it with something fairer. Potentially meaning wealth will be taxed more. Surely this is all good!?

His refusal to take questions was a very shrewd move. It has meant that he has set his agenda. It has not been dictated and twisted by the media.
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I found his speech a mixed bag, but definitely more promising than the previous Starmerrhoid regime.

I particularly liked the idea of moving some aspects of government to the North. Could end up nothing more than a boondoggle (if it ever happens) but could also make meaningful difference to the excessive focus on London.

I’m broadly on the fence with Burnham so far. Some promising aspects, some worrisome signs.

Whatever shape the incoming Labour administration takes, it’ll need to work (very) hard to tempt me back to being a regular voter for Labour candidates (the local ones have been truly atrocious :\) but I remain open minded in regards my vote at the next GE.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Maybe, but even Blairism is preferable to the years of austerity we've had. And we now have an actual right wing threat as opposed to just keeping the Tories out. It ain't the game it used to be.

Might just be a case of holding your nose the way it was twenty years ago.

I find stuff like this a bit cynical, and I believe there'll be a clash before very long.

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- Muslim Greens

Prime Minister’s remarks risk smearing peaceful protest and stigmatising British Muslims On 28 February 2026, the Deputy Leader of the Green Party, Mothin Ali, attended a public anti-war protest in London organised by Stop the War. On 2 March 2026, Conservative MP Alec Shelbrooke used...
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That’s the thing though, I’m utterly and totally sick of holding my nose and voting “least worst”. I’ve had to do that virtually my whole adult life. No more.

The Greens are the only party (currently) that give me genuine hope for meaningful change. They have their issues - as all parties do - but I honestly think they are, to coin a phrase, the least worst option right now.

And by a very, very long distance.

I share your atheism and loathing of religion-based politics. However, there is no avoiding the fact that Islamophobia is inextricably linked to straight-up racism. This adds extra layers to the basic anti any and all religion aspect.

For me, the Greens are threading the needle between protecting “visible” Muslims from abuse whilst not being overly pandering.

That’s just me though - I am but a single vote. Where that vote is cast remains an open question.
 
The only obvious choice was Rupert Lowe but now he’s appointing members I am disappointed with as part of his cabinet it turns out he’s just another plant and the sad realisation is that it doesn’t matter who you vote for. It’s predetermined that it’s a jolly boys club and they’re all in it for the coffers and not for the good of the people.

Short of a full on revolution, fuck all will change and you’ll bend over and take it, like a good little boy.
 
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Shambles said:
That’s the thing though, I’m utterly and totally sick of holding my nose and voting “least worst”. I’ve had to do that virtually my whole adult life. No more.

The Greens are the only party (currently) that give me genuine hope for meaningful change. They have their issues - as all parties do - but I honestly think they are, to coin a phrase, the least worst option right now.

And by a very, very long distance.

I share your atheism and loathing of religion-based politics. However, there is no avoiding the fact that Islamophobia is inextricably linked to straight-up racism. This adds extra layers to the basic anti any and all religion aspect.

For me, the Greens are threading the needle between protecting “visible” Muslims from abuse whilst not being overly pandering.

That’s just me though - I am but a single vote. Where that vote is cast remains an open question.
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I'm definitely with you on not wanting to hold my nose. In a scenario where the Greens could realistically contest a GE, I'd be far more enthusiastic.

But we don't live in that scenario, at least yet, and so I'll continue to vote tactically, as I did when I voted Green in the by-election, by the way.

I'm also wary of Mothin Ali and his slippery responses to questions, and find his appointment sits at odds with a good chunk of the Green membership. The cracks are there; remember the official LGBT etc. faction of the Greens declares itself to be a 'liberation group'. https://lgbtiqa.greenparty.org.uk/

Maybe Palestine will temporarily bond people, but it's the most fragile of coalitions.
 
I wonder if The Greens moment has come and gone already.

Arguably, much of their recent success has been down to the deep unpopularity of Starmer, leaving The Greens as the best left leaning option in such circumstances.

Starmer's decision to block Burnham from standing in the Gorton and Denton by-election undoubtedly backfired spectacularly.

The Greens also fielded a decent candidate in Hannah Spencer, but they also did well in the local elections a few weeks ago.

But for now I don't think they'll be capturing many more protest votes due to the leadership of the Labour party. I guess it will depend to a large extent on how things go for Burnham.

If he's a fraction as good at getting things done, as he is at talking about the issues, he could be very good indeed.

He's from a totally different mold imo, he talks like a real person, not like a media spin obsessed puppet, like a large number of today's other politicians, which makes them incredibly dull, evasive, and just lacking any actual content, much of the time, it seems to me.

I thought he was very engaging and impressive in this interview, although I was stoned when I watched it last night, :LOL:, and admittedly he was not challenged by the interviewer, but rather encouraged to elaborate on the issues that he plans to address.

He should really have been pressed about the amount of empty or badly maintained properties, that he plans to buy back into public control, for use as public housing stock. Thus solving several problems all at the same time; reducing the blight on the affected communities of empty and badly maintained properties, dealing with rogue landlords, reducing the future costs of housing benefit bills. He made it sound like this is an enormous problem, whereas it seems to me, at least in the areas I see often and know well, that there does not seem to be a huge amount of properties in this category.

Although obviously, It must depend on the area, for instance an extremely deprived shit-hole like Blackpool, which reportedly has rows and rows of such properties, just one block behind the sea front row. The percentage of such properties in somewhere like that is probably very high, but who wants to live in Blackpool? (Although I gather that it is popular with transient benefits claimants that are paedophiles, as well as having a disproportionately high number of registered drug addicts. I guess such things go hand in hand with measures of economic deprivation, and lack of employment opportunities, unfortunately.)

But yeah, he should have been pressed further on some kind of ballpark figure, or percentage figure of the total housing stock, about the numbers of such properties that he is talking about.)

 
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Hannah Spender decent? Give over, she doesn't want anyone to own more than one home and to ban diesel cars, while having multiple properties of her own and guess what, she drives a diesel.. And the way she panders after the muzzie vote is sickening.

One rule for you and none for them.
 
They won it because the Labour candidate was weak and because they weren't the Reform candidate. But also because of stunts like the one I posted. What the fuck was she thinking? Maybe vet the song before dancing to it.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
They won it because the Labour candidate was weak and because they weren't the Reform candidate. But also because of stunts like the one I posted. What the fuck was she thinking? Maybe vet the song before dancing to it.
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Burnham was told to stand down nor did he contest his seat, therefore he was prevented from standing as Labour's candidate.
 
LoginNotSecure said:
The only obvious choice was Rupert Lowe but now he’s appointing members I disapprove of as part of his cabinet it turns out he’s just another plant and the sad realisation is that it doesn’t matter who you vote for. It’s predetermined that it’s a jolly boys club and they’re all in it for the coffers and not for the good of the people.

Short of a full on revolution, fuck all will change and you’ll bend over and take it, like a good little boy.
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yeah., millionaire landowners called Rupert are famously 'for' the common man
 
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LoginNotSecure said:
He’s the only sitting MP who donates 100% of his salary to good causes around his constituency. Can’t knock him for that, so he’s clearly not in it for the money.
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The Man was hounded out of ownership of Southampton FC because he was that unpopular.

If you fuck up football you've fucked up business. Don't then try politics.
 
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Perkins : Reborn said:
Well the word is he has dementia, though I haven't seen firm evidence of this. But rumblings will rumble.
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A rumour started by Zia and Nigel to try and discredit him.

Since Andy Burnham wants to be the next Labour leader, here's a reminder:

Andy accused victims of Pakistani-Muslim grooming gangs of trying to "propagandise" the issue.

He tried to block the grooming gangs inquiry in Manchester and nationally.

He claimed that Pakistani-Muslims grooming gangs are a "thing of the past" despite clear evidence that little girls are still being victimised to this day, including in his local area.

And what does he call the LITTLE GIRLS who were raped under his watch?

Not children.

Not little girls.

"Young women."

Even on the most basic level, Burnham tried to shift the blame onto victims and refused to acknowledge that they were children.

Countless little girls were raped, exploited and even murdered by Pakistani-Muslim grooming gangs, while powerful men like him turned a blind eye.

Andy Burnham belongs in prison, not Parliament.
 
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