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Will i see a decent government before i die?

Shambles said:


Meaningful change? Or just the status quo in a different font?
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Because what we need right now in this benighted country is to focus on a bunch of sand dwellers over two thousand miles away.

Not that Palestinians don't matter, but we need to rescue this country before anything else.

Annoying presenter too, but aren't they all? Had to bail as he was winding me up with his voice.
 
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Perkins : Reborn said:
Because what we need right now in this benighted country is to focus on a bunch of sand dwellers over two thousand miles away.

Not that Palestinians don't matter, but we need to rescue this country before anything else.

Annoying presenter too, but aren't they all? Had to bail as he was winding me up with his voice.
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His cadence can be grating, granted.

The point he was making is that Burnham is already shaping up to be Starmer 2.0 only with a northern accent and significantly more charisma.

More of the same is not gonna persuade lost Labour voters like myself. More centre-right bullshittery is precisely what got Labour into such a bad position.

It’s only that the Tories were so fukkin toxic Starmer got in at all. Unfortunately Tory 2.0 (ie Reform) are still riding high in the polls. Quite possibly enough to even win come the next election.

What we need is an actual Left Wing party. Currently the only option for Left Wing voters is the Greens. Doesn’t look like Burnham will be changing that… :\
 
Burnham's accomplishments in Greater Manchester would suggest that he actually stands some way left of centre, for example with him re-nationalising the local busses, integrating the whole public transport network, introducing standardised and capped fares.

It really has been a significant achievement and improvement. (Especially for longer journeys. You're actually worse off for really short journeys, and you may as well walk, or cycle, if you have time!)

The whole bus fleet now seems to be updated, or if not all, then at least a lot of them, and they run on clean fuels, (AFAIK,) which is such an improvement on some of the older and filthy black diesel fume emitting busses of not that long ago, but I'm not sure if that particular aspect is a national or local policy, or achievement.

Do these youtubers have any evidence that he's going to abandon where his previous actions suggest that he stands?

I've watched KernowDamo before, and found him OK in small doses, I don't have time to watch that video right now though.
 
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Shambles said:
His cadence can be grating, granted.

The point he was making is that Burnham is already shaping up to be Starmer 2.0 only with a northern accent and significantly more charisma.

More of the same is not gonna persuade lost Labour voters like myself. More centre-right bullshittery is precisely what got Labour into such a bad position.

It’s only that the Tories were so fukkin toxic Starmer got in at all. Unfortunately Tory 2.0 (ie Reform) are still riding high in the polls. Quite possibly enough to even win come the next election.

What we need is an actual Left Wing party. Currently the only option for Left Wing voters is the Greens. Doesn’t look like Burnham will be changing that… :\
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Burnham will do whatever his jewish handlers will tell him to do. Good little goyim

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Perkins : Reborn said:
Israel in 2004 was a completely different proposition. Sharon was planning withdrawal from Gaza completely.

Is anybody willing to stand behind everything they did 22 years ago? I know I'm not.
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It’s not just what Burnham said years ago, it’s his first actions as the leader-in-waiting: picking a deeply Blairite dude who is also deeply in bed with Israel. Actions speak louder than words.
 
Shambles said:
It’s not just what Burnham said years ago, it’s his first actions as the leader-in-waiting: picking a deeply Blairite dude who is also deeply in bed with Israel. Actions speak louder than words.
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Maybe, but even Blairism is preferable to the years of austerity we've had. And we now have an actual right wing threat as opposed to just keeping the Tories out. It ain't the game it used to be.

Might just be a case of holding your nose the way it was twenty years ago.

I find stuff like this a bit cynical, and I believe there'll be a clash before very long.

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Perkins : Reborn said:
Maybe, but even Blairism is preferable to the years of austerity we've had. And we now have an actual right wing threat as opposed to just keeping the Tories out. It ain't the game it used to be.

Might just be a case of holding your nose the way it was twenty years ago.
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Holding our noses? The climate is burning, the elderly are thundering away in and out of life, and the left is a bunch of weak, finger-in-the-air wankers. We'd better do a lot better everywhere than just "holding your nose".
 
So do I, but unfortunately I also believe in real pragmatism to defeat the emerging right wing threat.

I also don't believe in pandering to the Muslim vote, or any other religious lobby. The Greens are sucking Muhammad's circumcised cock right now. See above.
 
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Perkins : Reborn said:
So do I, but unfortunately I also believe in real pragmatism to defeat the emerging right wing threat.

I also don't believe in pandering to the Muslim vote, or any other religious lobby. The Greens are sucking Muhammad's circumcised cock right now.
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Well, once you're prime minister and I'm the president of u.s, by God we'll fix things!!!
 
Burnham's setting his agenda speech got a positive approval rating from me.

Everything he said seemed unobjectionable, and certainly moving the party back a good deal further to the left.

I don't care if he's selected someone pro-Israel tbh. Who can honestly disentangle the mess of that catastrophe and say that both sides are without fault.

My only criticisms are that he did not go far enough on the utilities, only saying that public controls over private companies will be increased, but not that they will be made public, or re-nationalised, again.

That's probably too much of a battle to take on all the lobbyists behind those groups, as they would destroy him by any means possible, for attempting such a move.

A much needed and ambitious plan to actually do something about building affordable council housing, an issue that was continuously overlooked and disregarded by the tories, although the need is desperate.

This has been set out as a ten year plan for building council housing with density. Probably meaning high rise estates. Although he made such a point about council housing being aspirational, I assume that means he wants high quality developments. Things have really come to something if council housing is now seen as aspirational. Back in my parents day the aspirational wanted to get out of council housing and to buy their own privately owned home, not on a council estate.. But obviously the housing market is so unaffordable now, that I can see where he's coming from, in as much as decent quality affordable council housing will be a better option than poor quality private housing, at rip off level rents.

Unfortunately though, while ten year plans are all well and good in theory, it does seem a tad presumptuous to assume that he, or Labour will still be in power in ten years time.

This is the problem, that when politicians actually have solid plans and ideas, time is needed to implement these ideas, and they either run out of time, get booted out of office, or the budgets run out of control.

If recent experience with any big plans from the tories is anything to go by - HS2 etc.

A further plan to abolish council tax, and replace it with something fairer. Potentially meaning wealth will be taxed more. Surely this is all good!?

His refusal to take questions was a very shrewd move. It has meant that he has set his agenda. It has not been dictated and twisted by the media.
 
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