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Will i see a decent government before i die?

I care.

I am remided of the fact that when Labour lost power after the Wilson/Callaghan ministry their is an apocraphal story that the Chancellor of the Exchequer (Denis Healey) left a note to his successor that said something along the lines of 'sorry - we spent all the money'.

Well, apparently the Tories repaid the favour when Labour won the last election... WITH INTEREST.

I'm reminded of the infamous Thatcher critique of socialism which states 'the problem with socialism is that you end up running out of other people's money'. What she singularly failed to mention was that she sold all of the state owned institutions that we the taxpayers had funded for decades. So she just STOLE other people's money. Last time around the Tories were struggling to find yet more things to sell while making sure that what money their was ended up in their own pockets or the pockets of their mates.

Even government figures show that there is thirty times more money lost to elaborate off-shore tax evasion by the rich than is lost to 'benefit cheats' but look how they are careful not to mention THAT detail.

They even got caught placing bets on the date of the election that THEY got to call!

We absolutely should be preventing MPs having other jobs/income streams. On top of the £91,346/annum salery they can claim for second homes in London and all manner of other expenses in a nation where the mean salery is £36972/annum. Right now too many of them see it as a career path and oppotunity to essentially steal while ensuring seats on the boards of large businesses. Cabinet ministers get more like £160,000/annum plus expenses.

I have said this before - but we need to press the CPS into looking at the shady deals some of them get up to like setting up a company to provide PPE, get 'most favoured' status and go on to deliver not a single usable piece of PPE. I foget the figure but it was in the region of £600 million. Yet Rachel Reeves isn't in prison.
you just dont understand the fine points of politics old bean, let me lay it out for the proles. its very simple, in order to keep the economy stable and maintain the wealth gap we have to gobble big bussiness dicks all day, slurping up penis encourages bussiness in the UK wich on the odd ocation we decide to tax we can fund our wars and colonial recourse obtainment. So yes the country is fucked but our blood soaked mineral deals from the Democratic Republic of Congo make it possible for us to have our fancy phones and laptops sooo fuck it as long as i can have a wank then stick a film on we are all good ;)
 
Wasn't the case back in the day that being an MP was essentially a hobby that paid a pittance, so they mostly had other jobs? Like actual real work, not like doing some fake consultancy job or being paid 100k for a half hour speech

That was likely the better system
I mean, yeah. In the Victorian times

Aneurin Bevan, the Labour MP credited with the creation of the NHS was from a Welsh working class family of 10 children, left school at 13, began working as a collier soon after and was essentially self-educated. I highly doubt that politics was merely a paid hobby for him. If political life was seen as little more than a hobby, voices such as his would've never had validity or influence. It's important that the role of an MP is a viable job to ensure working class representation

The problem is that we've gone back to a system more like you have described, except that it now infects all areas of our political class.

We'd be a lot better off getting back to a system where our MPs saw their political work as a job, by virtue of having to earn an independent wage before getting into that position.

Edit: by which I mean that your average MP earns more from their lobbying interests and consultancy work these days than the 'relative pittance' of their ~80k MPs salary
 
you just dont understand the fine points of politics old bean, let me lay it out for the proles. its very simple, in order to keep the economy stable and maintain the wealth gap we have to gobble big bussiness dicks all day, slurping up penis encourages bussiness in the UK wich on the odd ocation we decide to tax we can fund our wars and colonial recourse obtainment. So yes the country is fucked but our blood soaked mineral deals from the Democratic Republic of Congo make it possible for us to have our fancy phones and laptops sooo fuck it as long as i can have a wank then stick a film on we are all good ;)

Tell me oh wonderous master - how do UK politicians control the actions of multinational companies who commit what I totally agree to be evil deals for minerals in other nations?

I'm not disagreeing with the fact - but YOU quite evidently don't understand how these multinationals work. It's all part of the tax evasion I mentioned but they go through multiple shelll companies, trusts and foundations scattered around the globe.

Arms are a lucrative trade for the UK and they quite often do exactly as described above.

They only need plausible deniability because if it isn't actually happening IN the UK, while the Commons 'ethics committee' (hollow laugh) is supposed to catch such things, it gets kind of shaky even IF well intended.

BTW don't have car, fancy phone or indeed anything much. That's the problem with massive generalizations - you assume everyone to be the same. So it's not like I was unaware, I just made the, in retrospect wrong assumption that we all KNOW all this already so that's on me.

Al though technically a US based company, look at Apple. All EU sales had profits funneled through was was termed 'Dutch sandwich' and when that loophole was closed, they swapped to 'double Irish'. I use that example merely because it's the most famous one, but they all do it. In the arms trage staging, forged end user certificates and geopolitics all confuse things still more. Nation has a coup and new dictator sells inventory.

Of course, we could simply ban weapons production. I'm sure it wouldn't concern atms manufacturers too much - IF there is a customer, there woll ALWAYS be a supplier.

THis is a HR site but a large percentate of the UK public would think our actions immoral. But if people are using, someones producing. So arms and minerals are more multinational that specific to one nation. Which I would suggest is outside the remit of the original question.

Or have you found a 'Fare Trade' source of drugs?

I'm reminded of the George Carlin joke where he asks 'Have you ever noticed anyone driving slower than you as an idiota nd everyone driving faster than you is a maniac?' - That, my friend, is moral relatavism 101. I expect everyone is somewhere on that sliding scale. Every product and service is on that sliding scale.
 
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lads an lasses a childhood asociate of mine somehow blagged a job as a mp.....an this cunt is a degenerate, alwayse game for my more ambisioce contra-legal schemes. However i hated the cunt cause he could run like fuck, so so fast....an i dont run at all, as biggie says runnin aint in my protocol. One second wed be gettin the loot an he would just dissapear often before i even processed this.
We hatched a plan to go to amsterdam we were 5th year so GCSE so it was an incognito plan, buy tickets an boost then exlain where we been when we got back. In order to finance our plane tickets we (im not proud of this but fuck it) lifted clipboards from school, printed some decent looking sheets with a charity sponsor swim or run i dont know. Then we swapped our school ties with the ones from the school in belfasts richest district....posh as fuck.
so we hit street blagging cash sponsers from these rich cunts an by the afternoon we had enough for 2 easy jet tickets to Amsterdam so we buy em an start drinking on the way to the airport, drinking drinking, we were banjaxed. But we were buzzin you know, our plan was working, blag our way there, an the rest we will figure out as we go. we had no luggage just schoolbags with scaming props an bucky an ties from the scool of fags (fuck i just rememberd it was rowing we said we were doing cause we thought they probly do extra shit like boats insread of kicking the fuck out of each other)
Soon as we cleared security we start shop lifting perfume i forget te name for mens perfume. easy peasy to stroke in an airpoirt cause cunt
Tell me oh wonderous master - how do UK politicians control the actions of multinational companies who commit what I totally agree to be evil deals for minerals in other nations?

I'm not disagreeing with the fact - but YOU quite evidently don't understand how these multinationals work. It's all part of the tax evasion I mentioned but they go through multiple shelll companies, trusts and foundations scattered around the globe.

Arms are a lucrative trade for the UK and they quite often do exactly as described above.

They only need plausible deniability because if it isn't actually happening IN the UK, while the Commons 'ethics committee' (hollow laugh) is supposed to catch such things, it gets kind of shaky even IF well intended.

BTW don't have car, fancy phone or indeed anything much. That's the problem with massive generalizations - you assume everyone to be the same. So it's not like I was unaware, I just made the, in retrospect wrong assumption that we all KNOW all this already so that's on me.

Al though technically a US based company, look at Apple. All EU sales had profits funneled through was was termed 'Dutch sandwich' and when that loophole was closed, they swapped to 'double Irish'. I use that example merely because it's the most famous one, but they all do it. In the arms trage staging, forged end user certificates and geopolitics all confuse things still more. Nation has a coup and new dictator sells inventory.

Of course, we could simply ban weapons production. I'm sure it wouldn't concern atms manufacturers too much - IF there is a customer, there woll ALWAYS be a supplier.

THis is a HR site but a large percentate of the UK public would think our actions immoral. But if people are using, someones producing. So arms and minerals are more multinational that specific to one nation. Which I would suggest is outside the remit of the original question.

Or have you found a 'Fare Trade' source of drugs?
Tongue was very much in cheek with that post and i wasnt on the attack or trying to be a prick, although i could get used to the title of wonderous master perhaps. Everything you state in your post i agree with and id like to take time to address it properly because there are many good points. However sleep calls. we seem to be on the same page but you may have taken my daft post the wrong way
 
I think that if you lived forever you'd struggle to find a government that was any good at doing what you'd like. No disrespect intended, but governments on the whole ate there to make the rules and regs that we live by as cheaply as possible, without causing too much trouble for the rest of us to deal with. I know that's simplified to sn extent. That's how I see it. I'm a kinda non conformist type who doesn't want to be controlled. And as long as there's just one person like myself who is against next form of government that tried to tell me how to live, you'll always find someone that thinks the government stinks.
 
I'm reminded of that Peter Cook quote about The Establishment Club. 'Well, the Weimar Republic had a wonderfully creative culture'.

I'm not cynical but I am aware that Private Eye magazine pretty much showed us that things were pretty awful then and are pretty awful now. I think the difference is that now it's fine for politicians to essentially put in place legislation paid for by special interest groups, for example.
 
You know when I was in my teens, and before that time, you could tell just by their manifesto proposals which part was which. The Conservatives were for anyone with money, big business. The Labour party were for the man in the street. And the Liberal part, they kinda were for the special interest groups. No, I'm trying to give people who didn't know what it was like back then, a feel for what it was like. The 3 parties were so distinct in what they stood for, who they were going to help if they were elected. Today, if the seperate partied didn't say what they intended to do if they were elected. Well their almost interchangeable in their promises to the electorate. But at least back then you knew what to expect whichever party was elected. I wonder how that delineation of what each stood for, got away from them?

Babygirl. X
 
how do UK politicians control the actions of multinational companies who commit what I totally agree to be evil deals for minerals in other nations??&
Yes Indeed... let's read the white on the page you say..? the whole reply equates I owe someone/everyone my honestly, 90% of the shit we have been told is misinformation & the other 9% has to fact-checked by the people's courtship,

ego & denial are co-workers & cousins that work hard overtime -- EGO says "we have carried, helped, saved these common and below common peasants,they owe us. they could never do the jobs we do, none of them have the reining loyalty whiteheads on their side.." DENIAL follows, " look at our track records providing them a life, we need to complete this task, no need to inform & consult the government employees paid to do this task regarding the people's vote to put them there & We can brake protocol misinforming them this way we can do justified quick actions of fuckery to fix this issue quicker & better without there input to get this half-step effort done to sell them our half-truths, our greatness did this flawless without the public's health so they may never participate in their futures."
 
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Gotta love the Reform protesters - anyone there under 50? 😃

Mockery aside, I’d actually agree with much of what they’re saying… it’s just that their desire for “more of the same, only make it even more more of the same!” utterly baffles me. If you want change vote for change not for the most Establishment of all the parties 8(
 
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Gotta love the Reform protesters - anyone there under 50? 😃

Mockery aside, I’d actually agree with much of what they’re saying… it’s just that their desire for “more of the same, only make it even more more of the same!” utterly baffles me. If you want change vote for change not for the most Establishment of all the parties 8(

they will get in. See that ed milliband has gone full insane. Padded cell ( with a heat pump) for that boy.
 
I honestly think they will get in at this point. The other two main parties are dead in the water and the left simply doesn’t have the visibility to make any progress.

I suppose the far right will gain their ultimate prize… and we will all suffer the consequences :|
 
I honestly think they will get in at this point. The other two main parties are dead in the water and the left simply doesn’t have the visibility to make any progress.

I suppose the far right will gain their ultimate prize… and we will all suffer the consequences :|
The greens are ok apart from what I mentioned before. Not sure about lib Dems. Torys gone,
Labour bad but could be cause they are in office and thus getting the stick that comes with power.
Reform...well we do need reform. Nigel knows his stuff but can he walk the walk?
 
I’d agree the Greens are mostly okay and will probably get my vote.

Tories and Labour are basically interchangeable and both equally loathed.

Lib Dems will pick up a few votes from disillusioned Labour and Conservative voters… and Reform will clean up.

Farage knows shit all other than how to line his own pockets and exacerbate existing problems.

Hopefully a single term will be enough to convince people that moving ever further to the Right - pushing harder and harder into the exact same policies that caused all the problems in the first world place - is self-defeating idiocy.
 
I’d agree the Greens are mostly okay and will probably get my vote.

Tories and Labour are basically interchangeable and both equally loathed.

Lib Dems will pick up a few votes from disillusioned Labour and Conservative voters… and Reform will clean up.

Farage knows shit all other than how to line his own pockets and exacerbate existing problems.

Hopefully a single term will be enough to convince people that moving ever further to the Right - pushing harder and harder into the exact same policies that caused all the problems in the first world place - is self-defeating idiocy.
How was it the right that caused all the problems??

2004 was when Blair opened the floodgates and 2009 was when brown announced when he was gonna sell gold and then did it.

Just before that 2007-08 was a financial crisis that had nothing specifically to do with the right.
 
Blair and Brown are firmly on the Right side of politics. As soon as “New Labour” dropped Clause IV they became a right wing party. Blair’s favourite politician was Thatcher ffs.

The financial crisis was very clearly a right wing problem - unfettered Capitalism did it’s thing and massively enriched a few whilst exploiting the poor. Tell me how that isn’t a right wing problem, please.
 
Blair and Brown are firmly on the Right side of politics. As soon as “New Labour” dropped Clause IV they became a right wing party. Blair’s favourite politician was Thatcher ffs.

The financial crisis was very clearly a right wing problem - unfettered Capitalism did it’s thing and massively enriched a few whilst exploiting the poor. Tell me how that isn’t a right wing problem, please.
Didn't know that about Blair.

The financial crisis was across the board.
 
Well no Leftist is ever gonna support rampant, unfettered, Victorian-era lassez-faire Capitalism so… it kinda isn’t across the board. Not even close.


I found this video really helpful I've watched it several times. I don't specifically think it's right wing government policy that caused this however. Seems pretty central and more about the banks rather than a government making the wrong decision.
 
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