will i ever appreciate weak opiates again?

[rashandreflex]

over the course of six years, i have used practically every opiate, heroin, fentanyl, alpha-methyl fentanyl, all the mainstream pharms except dilaudid, poppy tea, methadone, buprenorphine, and so forth. i've gotten myself addicted a few times and managed to get off but never really stop using, but i've noticed that no matter how long i wait between using, weak opiates even in high doses barely feel like anything - like i'll try a pretty big dose of poppy seed tea or, like, 800 mg of tramadol (i know about the seizure risk, but i take clonazepam with it and have never had a problem.)

....so i'm wondering from people who are opiate veterans, can you ever enjoy weak opiates again? is it a function of time or am i just doomed? if it's relevant, i was never an IV user, and my stints with the strong opiates were pretty short-lived (although i wish they were longer.)

 

[cjd83us]

once your body has felt the effects of stron opiate drugs then the weaker ones will never be the same. If only that was true I would go to rehab and get high off of vicoden again lol

 

[phr]

After using the stronger more euphoric opiates, especially if you end up dependent on them, the weaker ones will no longer be the same. They just won't cut it anymore. You've experienced the "good shit"(for a lack of a better term).

The same could be said once you start iv'ing. Snorting or oral just won't cut it anymore.

Sure, you could go back to just using poppy pod tea, tramadol, or hydrocodone, but you'll feel like you're missing out and settling for less.

 

[cjd83us]

I would like to add that if you have been hooked on stronger ones before then dont even toy around with opiates period. stay away from the shit if you dont need it,

 

[rashandreflex]

i figured that would be people's answers, but i was hoping someone would be, like, i stayed away from everything and way later weak things felt great, but as you guys confirmed, i think it's psychological (knowing the parts of the high that could be better) rather than physical.

I would like to add that if you have been hooked on stronger ones before then dont even toy around with opiates period. stay away from the shit if you dont need it,

while i agree with this in principle, i'm just not as the point to do this yet. although i have encountered one terrible tragedy related to opiates (regarding a dear friend), basically nothing else bad has happened to me because of it....like not to be conceited, but i'm pretty successful in various dimensions of my life, and i'm fairly happy. i'm the quntessential functional addict. at this point, i really feel like if i could just obtain 50 kilograms of heroin, i would be content and successful for the rest of my life.

 

[phr]

at this point, i really feel like if i could just obtain 50 kilograms of heroin, i would be content and successful for the rest of my life.

I used to think the same thing. But, hardcore addiction is pure hell, even with an unlimited supply. The more you use the worse your life gets. Haha, call it the opiate addict's fallacy...


Good thing you're not into iv'ing.

 

[sonic]

Hey Emily, it's nice to see you posting again! I haven't heard from you in a while. I hope all is well.

Given enough time you should be able to appreciate weak opiates again. That's how it's been for me in my years of experience. After about a 9 month break from the "hard" opiates I was able to really appreciate tramadol the first time I tried it at least. I think you just need to take a LONG break to be able to appreciate anything as weak as tramadol again. If you continue with your current usage pattern then you probably won't be able to appreciate weak opiates again.

 

[Beans]

[die in a fire]

 

[Beans]

[attention whore needs attention]

 

[Beans]

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[Matt_Himself]

Most brilliant post Ive ever seen on BL!

Yes and no. You will appreciate them, but only in the proper context. Example: 20 days off of oxycodone, having gotten through the sickness and just dealing with intense cravings, taking 330mg of codeine was a very pleasurable experience. I think it was only because it scratched an itch I hadnt sratched in nearly 3 weeks. However, if I was to take it simply to nod off, I doubt I would have enjoyed it as much.

Sorry to ruin things, but unless your taking weaker opioids to relieve withdrawal or horrible cravings you wont enjoy them in the way you did.

 

[g0d of g0t 0D]

hell was hooked to heroin bad but now 4 months clean thanks to suboxone and no way weak opiates can compare to the best.

only useful for w/d imo.

no way to compare taking vicodins to a nice fat shot of dope imo.

 

[LuckyJamz]

shooting dope is the best

hospital grade morphine/fentanyl/dilauded is the only thing i think comes close

 

[axl blaze]

....so i'm wondering from people who are opiate veterans, can you ever enjoy weak opiates again? is it a function of time or am i just doomed? if it's relevant, i was never an IV user, and my stints with the strong opiates were pretty short-lived (although i wish they were longer.)

through my experiences, no you can not. and this is what sucks about opiates. I can not even enjoy something hydrocodone anymore, and I have been clean from "hardcore" opiates for a very, very long time.

 

[Tortoise]

Bobbo has never used hardcore opiates (except for Dilaudid, morphine and fentanyl in hospital when he had appendicitis) and frequently uses high doses of codeine as well as poppyseed tea to get high.

He'd love to get his hands on something stonger but the fact that they would ruin subsequent codeine/poppyseed experience would make him think twice before going there. He has such ready access to these weaker opiates that i would be a shame not to be able to enjoy them anymore....

 

[haribo1]

Maybe seperate laws? Like class-A opiates (heroin, fentanyl, oxymorphone and so on) and class-B like hydrocodone, codeine, dhydrocodeine, demerol. Oh, and class C opiates (i.e. don't work) Loperamide, Diphenoxylate

 

[Psych0naut]

It's all subjective. I used dihydrocodeine 2 weeks ago, after a had used fentanyl the night before, and it was still a good experience. Even if I would use heroin or palladone for a long time, I probaply would still appreciate something weaker like codeine or dihydrocodeine.

 

[Boiling in Acid]

well the first opiate i got high off was heroin, & i still enjoyed a lot to get high on codeine, morphine, oxy, etc. & did it more often then i did heroin which actually i would do almost only when i was offered it. the only two opioids i didn't anjoyed too much anymore were tramadol (which was the only one i had before doing h, and i did enjoyed it, but it even not a real opiate, so dont count that) & bupe, which did nothing at 12mg except keeping w\ds away for 3 days.
so i think it's a thing of open - mindedness or something like that.
theres different leves of high that good each for different ocassions... at least it used to be like that at the beginning. thats just my 2 cents.

 

[MethaContin]

Ive tried ALMOST ALL of the Opiates including Fentanyl and stuff like that, and I still appreciate and like a nice 500mg Codeine Buzz............ To each his own!

 

[rashandreflex]

hey dan and jim and everyone else...
it basically sounds like the consensus is that it's never the same. dan, the first time i took tramadol, like, last month, it felt pretty good, but since then i've basically never been able to emulate that!

i think the people in the thread who enjoy everything probably haven't been addicted to a hardcore opiate. jim, i hope hydro will still work for me, but who knows....it didn't last time.

the other thing that's confusing is that i was using poppy seed tea since, like, march and that still got me kinda high even though seeds are obviously weak. i suspect something about tramadol just isn't so great for me....although i did get high off 25 mg when i was non-tolerant! those were the days....