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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards

Will DXM prolong the appetite suppression from EC?

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I've taken EC (ephedrine +caffeine) for appetite suppression before, and it worked surprisingly well, but only for about 7-10 days. After that it suddenly poops out. As far as I know, that's what happens with everyone who takes it. Some people get a few more days of appetite suppression out of it than I do, but no matter what, the appetite suppression eventually disappears completely.

I was wondering whether DXM would make the appetite suppression last longer. If so, how much longer do you think it would last? (weeks, months?)
Is there a chance that DXM might even INCREASE the appetite suppression a little? I've heard that DXM itself has an aronectic effect, but I'm not sure if that effect only kicks in at super high doses. 60mg is probably the max dose I'll be taking for these purposes, and I might not even end up taking that much.

I also plan on taking bromocriptine, a dopamine agonist. It's an appetite suppressant, and it also does a few other things related to weigh loss/dieting that aren't worth explaining here. I doubt bromo has been mentioned on here before, because it's not a "fun" drug, so I imagine no one has any idea what I'm talking about. Hopefully some super awesome person will be willing to check out a few basic articles on bromo, and get back to me with an answer to my most urgent question. Are there any contraindications between DXM and Bromocriptine?

Just to be clear, I plan to take the following on a daily basis:
30-60 mg DXM (not sure what dose will be effective)
75 mg ephedrine
600 mg caffeine
5 mg bromocriptine

If this works, I'll probably take his combo for 2 months with a one week break in between.

I can already hear some of you asking me why I don't just take dex or something. Well, that's because I'd rather not deal with the withdrawal or rebound weight gain.
 
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Never Knows best, I know people normally take DXM to reduce tolerance to stims. Do they always have to lower their dose, or is there some kind of issue with ephedrine specifically? How much do they usually cut there stim dose by (roughly)? A half, a third, or what? Does anyone else know?

BTW, I just edited my post to say "1 week break" not "1 month break".
 
Bromocriptine is supposedly contraindicated with SNRI's, but it's also contraindicated with Buproprion and Meridia, which I know for a fact are sometimes prescribed along with it (separately). I don't know what to make of the super long list of contraindications for bromocriptine. People do commonly combine it with several things that are on that list, so I find it all pretty confusing. I think they might have just contraindicated everything that might have an increased risk of dependency when combined with bromo, no matter how slight the risk. I'm sure there are also things on that list that might kill me if I combined them with bromo. The problem is that I can't tell which is which. Anyone have any idea of what the actual risks might be of combining bromo and an SNRI like DXM?
 
Bromocriptine is supposedly contraindicated with SNRI's
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Looked it up and got " Central nervous system- and/or respiratory-depressant effects may be additively or synergistically increased in patients taking multiple drugs that cause these effects, especially in elderly or debilitated patients." Which they'll put as a potential contraindication for for tons of things even if it's not an issue or cause for worry in most cases.
 
I know that people combine bromo and bupropion without any real issues, so it did seem like an exaggerated concern, but are there any reasons that I shouldn't take DXM with bromo, aside from the fact that it's an SNRI?

I though about substituting the DMX with memantine, thinking that it might be cleaner. I only found one reliable, trustworthy source for memantine, and it's retarded expensive. Over $350 a month for an effective dose >:(

Does anyone know how risky it is to combine DXM with a low dose of an adrenergic drug like ephedrine? Is it really a big risk at therapeutic doses? I know that there are people that take huge amounts of DXM and ephedrine together and apparently they lived to tell the tale, but that doesn't tell me much about how safe it really is, especially in the long term.

That reminds me. All of this discussion is moot if DXM doesn't actually renew the anorectic effect of EC. Anyone here want to throw in your 2 cents about whether or not it will work? Is it at least known to renew the anorectic effects of any other stimulants?
 
Does DXM prevent tolerance to adrenergic drugs like ephedrine?

...or does it only prevent tolerance to amphetamines and benzos. I know that it potentiates ephedrine in a bad way when taken at the same time, but I don't know what, if anything, that says about the possibility of reducing tolerance.
 
I probably shouldn't have said that I would be "mixing" ephedrine and DXM. That makes it sound like I'd be taking both at the same time. I was actually planning to take the DXM separately, hours after my last dose of EC, just before bed. Does that make potentiation a non-issue, or what?
 
im guessing if nmda-antagonists halt the production of tolerance to amphetamines, than nmda-antagonists should prevent the tolerance of ephedrine.. but idk why you even care? adrenergic drugs are usually not recreational. you shouldn't have to worry about increasing the amount needed for therapeutic effects; tolerance to such doesn't grow fast .
 
I'm a women. I should probably have chosen a screen name that doesn't end in O :\
LC, I wish I knew that for sure, but I guess I'll just have try this and see if it works. BTW, people do use ephedrine recreationally, but I don't understand why they would either. Must be because it's so cheap and readily available. When I tried to find someone online who had used ephedrine and DMX together, all I could find were a few people who took a shit ton of both at once. Sounds like a good way to go on a terrifying, paranoid trip, but maybe I'm wrong.

That only leaves one question, since I doubt I'll ever get a firm answer to whether DXM works with adrenergic drugs. Since I'll be taking the DXM at night, hours away from my first and last doses of the other drugs, does that pretty much get rid of most of the safety issues? Seems like it would.
 
I will. Thanks! Although, I think people on fitness boards will care a lot more about this, if it actually works. Ketotifen is what's usually used to prevent tolerance to ephedrine, but it supposedly actually reduces the appetite suppression from EC and counteracts some of the energy as well. That begs the question of how they'd even know it works.
 
How much DXM?

What brand?
Also, you know about the 1/3 rule, right? (Filled with, oddly enough, 1/3 bs, but the rest was straight)

For me, my metabolism....DXM knocked me fuck out (into outer space) then I was speeding like a Small Furry Animals Gathered in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict. Apparently, like many drugs, it effects people differently. But after the sedation, which can happen on high levels of uppers, (Ritalin to control ADHD, etc) Depending on what your liver produces and in what quantity. Why even mix an upper with DXM? The joy of that trip is totally losing consciousness and doing the Death Trip Experience IMO. Also, you get a 50 trip pass...yeah, it's a bitch after that. If you even get that far.



Don't die.
Never been hooked on stims, well...ephedra just fucks with my heart, smoking a cigarette damn near mad me stroke out....
cocaine or even caffeine pills would be better. In my stupid opinion. But, be careful! No matter what you choose.

A heart attack, I hear, is not a pleasant way to go out...
 
Engage, thanks for trying to keep my alive, but I don't think you read my entire first post.

Everyone else, I decided to look into a different combination of anorectic drugs that are known to remain effective long term. Seems easier than trying to enhance EC and force the effects to last longer. It may not work out though, so I might have to come back to this idea. I'm about to make a new thread right now. Thanks everyone
 
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