Why was my roll weakened?

[No Consequence]

I rolled recently with a few of my friends and my roll didnt seem to be as good as it should have. This was my first roll in over a month and I usually roll pretty hard and for quite a long time. I took 4 strong MDMA pills (I know for a fact they were MDMA) throughout the night and it seemed like my roll never went really high. I think these pills also had some amp in them. After a few hours my roll basically just stopped.

I pre-loaded with 3.2-4gs of piracetam and 2g of choline bitartrate daily for 3 days prior to the roll. I also took these both the day of the roll and my last dose (2 grams of p and 1 gram of c) was taken about an hour and a half before i dropped my first pill.

I would also like to mention that for 2 days before the roll (not counting the day of the roll) I took Azo Cranberry pills. These are immune boosting pills with "Probiotic and Vitamin C." They are normally taken for a healthy urinary tract (the box says the probiotic is Bacillus coagulans (Lactobacillus Sporogenes)).

Does anyone know what could have hindered my roll? Did i possibly pre-load incorrectly with the piracetam and/or choline bitartate?
Could the probiotic of the canberry pills affected my roll?
or are there any other factors that could have applied that I did not mention?

Thanks for the replies!

 

[James707]

well i know nothing about pircetam but if its anything like 5htp you are not supposed to drop with that shit in your system, with 5htp you have to wait at least 18-24 hours after taking it before you take E

 

[No Consequence]

well i know nothing about pircetam but if its anything like 5htp you are not supposed to drop with that shit in your system, with 5htp you have to wait at least 18-24 hours after taking it before you take E

Piracetam is a smart drug used to help promote memory, concentration, learning, etc.
5htp helps speed up the process that creates seratonin.
They are pretty different drugs.

I have read multiple threads/posts talking about pre-loading with piracetam and many of them have said that they also took it the day of their roll. I've even read about people taking it DURING their roll.
I have not found one thread/post taking about piracetam hurting a roll in any way.
I really don't think the piracetam is my problem.
I was thinking maybe the probiotic from the cranberry pills? Or the choline? :/ i dont know but i really would like an answer :b
thanks!

 

[yougeekay]

who knows man it happens, just dont take all the shit for a few days then try an roll....an if the pills had speed in them chances are even if they had mdma they still werent that good, could be hardly any in them.

 

[K-Dazed]

Did you test your pills, or did your dealer just tell you they had MDMA in them?

I like to think of MDMA as more of a "mood-enhancer" type of drug, in that if I'm feeling shitty and do MDMA it won't make me very happy at all. If you were having a bad day or were anxious your body could have been trying to fight the MDMA. This is all just speculation though.

 

[Tromps]

Did you test your pills, or did your dealer just tell you they had MDMA in them?

I like to think of MDMA as more of a "mood-enhancer" type of drug, in that if I'm feeling shitty and do MDMA it won't make me very happy at all. If you were having a bad day or were anxious your body could have been trying to fight the MDMA. This is all just speculation though.

I agree with this and find it to be the case IME. If your in a bad mood and try to 'push' yourself into a good mood with e your not going to have as good of an experience then you would if you were in a really good mood. If you had an awesome day then top it off with a roll its going to make everything that much more 'perfect'. If you had a bad day then your already going to be a bad mood and there's no way it'll be perfect.

 

[No Consequence]

Did you test your pills, or did your dealer just tell you they had MDMA in them?

I like to think of MDMA as more of a "mood-enhancer" type of drug, in that if I'm feeling shitty and do MDMA it won't make me very happy at all. If you were having a bad day or were anxious your body could have been trying to fight the MDMA. This is all just speculation though.

I was in fact in an excellent mood. I had a great day with my girl and I had no anxiety at all. I am generally a very positive person regardless.

I am an experienced MDMA user, and my 'connect' is a pretty close friend. I know what MDMA feels like regardless. My girl also pre-loaded like me and she rolled her ass off, but it also seemed like her roll all of a sudden just dropped off and stopped pretty early.

I'm pretty sure it had to do with either the way I pre-loaded or something i took.
Maybe the best way to pre-load with piracetam is to NOT take it the day of? (even though ive read many people saying to do this).
Any possible way it was the pro-biotic?

 

[No Consequence]

who knows man it happens, just dont take all the shit for a few days then try an roll....an if the pills had speed in them chances are even if they had mdma they still werent that good, could be hardly any in them.

Correction, what I thought to be speed. I was not 100%, but many poke's seem to have some amp in them. It's possible i could have gotten a caffeine rush maybe and confused.
Regardless, I would really like a firm answer if possible because I really want to see how piracetam could boost a roll.
But in my experience, nothin :/
(I was completely open minded/positive mood, so don't give me that, thanks :b )

 

[No Consequence]

Sorry for bumping this up, but i would really like to see if anyone else has any insight on this.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I do.

You had a shitload of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) in your system - when your stomach's pH is acidic, MDMA isn't properly absorbed. There is a reason people call Rolaids "roll aids" - they alkalize your stomach's pH. I don't like Rolaids but I chew a few Tums every time about 15-20 before I drop to alkalize my stomach and have them hit harder.

On top of that, ascorbic acid is a strong antioxidant. In doses like that it becomes neuroprotective and can prevent the neurotoxicity of MDMA from hitting its full potential. Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways - stop the neurotoxicity and MDMA loses a lot of its magic and vitamin C helps the body clear it out faster.

 

[No Consequence]

I do.

You had a shitload of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) in your system - when your stomach's pH is acidic, MDMA isn't properly absorbed. There is a reason people call Rolaids "roll aids" - they alkalize your stomach's pH. I don't like Rolaids but I chew a few Tums every time about 15-20 before I drop to alkalize my stomach and have them hit harder.

On top of that, ascorbic acid is a strong antioxidant. In doses like that it becomes neuroprotective and can prevent the neurotoxicity of MDMA from hitting its full potential. Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways - stop the neurotoxicity and MDMA loses a lot of its magic and vitamin C helps the body clear it out faster.

ahhh, thanks for the reply! I had a feeling it was the vitamin c i was taking. Thanks for the info! This was really bothering me. hah.

 

[lolcat]

i have a feeling the probiotic was also affecting your roll, as well. this is a completely guess here, but i think a probiotic would break down a lot of the e into a nonnutritive form before it could properly be absorbed and taken to your brain all the way across the blood brain barrier. it lowered the pH of your stomach just like the vitamin C did so you probably barely abosrbed any e unfortunately. for me, the meal i had before, if i was taking antibiotics, and several other gastrointestinal factors have affected my rolls. ive just learned to roll on a full stomach without having pre-loaded with anything i dont normally use as a daily supplement.

 

[AndroidsDreamofBTC]

Hey No Consequence,

I've preloaded with piracetam of the the day of the roll several times and I've never had any issues with that. I was also taking piracetam daily for about 7 days before the roll (with some choline bitartrate). I did not however eat any choline on the day of my roll, for what that's worth.

I've also offered piracetam (3+g) to some my friends a few hours before we were going to drop. None of them had tried piracetam before and they agreed that it only made the roll better (more lucid, more like the first time etc).

Perhaps you took too much choline? Some people on these boards have mentioned that larger doses of choline can blunt the effects of MDMA/piracetam, for what it's worth. I never really had issues with choline.

Perhaps it was the large amounts of Vit C that reduced MDMA's absorption.

Sorry to hear about this!

 

[Outwest]

What about your friends? Took the same pills? Except if your making your own pills, you can't be totally certain of the quality, quantity, consistancy. Even if the maker is "honest" in the making, a mistake can happen. I doubt that a severe quality control process is in place...Hope your next one will be fine...

 

[Legerity]

I do.

On top of that, ascorbic acid is a strong antioxidant. In doses like that it becomes neuroprotective and can prevent the neurotoxicity of MDMA from hitting its full potential. Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways - stop the neurotoxicity and MDMA loses a lot of its magic and vitamin C helps the body clear it out faster.

Are you sure you about this? I have never heard anything about MDMA neurotoxicity being responsible for the high/magic in any way. My understanding is that antioxidants prevent cells from being damaged by free radicals. I take ALA when I roll, and most pre/post loads that I've seen recommended for MDMA use include antioxidants.

Not trying to be difficult, but if I'm wrong about this I'd like to know. If you have any sources for this I'd appreciate it.

 

[No Consequence]

Hey No Consequence,

I've preloaded with piracetam of the the day of the roll several times and I've never had any issues with that. I was also taking piracetam daily for about 7 days before the roll (with some choline bitartrate). I did not however eat any choline on the day of my roll, for what that's worth.

I've also offered piracetam (3+g) to some my friends a few hours before we were going to drop. None of them had tried piracetam before and they agreed that it only made the roll better (more lucid, more like the first time etc).

Perhaps you took too much choline? Some people on these boards have mentioned that larger doses of choline can blunt the effects of MDMA/piracetam, for what it's worth. I never really had issues with choline.

Perhaps it was the large amounts of Vit C that reduced MDMA's absorption.

Sorry to hear about this!

yeh i think it was the large amounts of vitamin c, i will make sure my stomach isnt all acidy next time. And i will try not taking choline bitartrate the day of. thanks for the reply!

 

[No Consequence]

i have a feeling the probiotic was also affecting your roll, as well. this is a completely guess here, but i think a probiotic would break down a lot of the e into a nonnutritive form before it could properly be absorbed and taken to your brain all the way across the blood brain barrier. it lowered the pH of your stomach just like the vitamin C did so you probably barely abosrbed any e unfortunately. for me, the meal i had before, if i was taking antibiotics, and several other gastrointestinal factors have affected my rolls. ive just learned to roll on a full stomach without having pre-loaded with anything i dont normally use as a daily supplement.

awesome, thanks for the reply.
I had a feeling it coulda been the probiotic also.
Either way next time i wont be taking either and I'm sure I will be fine :]
Glad to hear all these replies.

 

[MagickalKat777]

Are you sure you about this? I have never heard anything about MDMA neurotoxicity being responsible for the high/magic in any way. My understanding is that antioxidants prevent cells from being damaged by free radicals. I take ALA when I roll, and most pre/post loads that I've seen recommended for MDMA use include antioxidants.

Not trying to be difficult, but if I'm wrong about this I'd like to know. If you have any sources for this I'd appreciate it.

The OP was taking extremely high doses of Vitamin C... It prevents free radical damage, yes. But I've seen many rolls go bust when people took too much vitamin C before hand. I don't have any scientific proof, just a lot of experience - and in my experience, vitamin C should be used during or as a post load, not a pre load, if you want to have the best roll possible.

 

[No Consequence]

The OP was taking extremely high doses of Vitamin C... It prevents free radical damage, yes. But I've seen many rolls go bust when people took too much vitamin C before hand. I don't have any scientific proof, just a lot of experience - and in my experience, vitamin C should be used during or as a post load, not a pre load, if you want to have the best roll possible.

So what is the best way to take in vitamin c during the roll to help it and not hurt it? thanks.

 

[openair]

I do.

You had a shitload of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) in your system - when your stomach's pH is acidic, MDMA isn't properly absorbed. There is a reason people call Rolaids "roll aids" - they alkalize your stomach's pH. I don't like Rolaids but I chew a few Tums every time about 15-20 before I drop to alkalize my stomach and have them hit harder.

On top of that, ascorbic acid is a strong antioxidant. In doses like that it becomes neuroprotective and can prevent the neurotoxicity of MDMA from hitting its full potential. Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways - stop the neurotoxicity and MDMA loses a lot of its magic and vitamin C helps the body clear it out faster.

I am really skeptical that vitamins diminish the roll of MDMA. I take vitamins everytime I roll, and I have a ballin time every time, and hopefully protect my brain with the antioxidants as well.