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Why pick opiates over alcohol?

the amount of euphoria of course, the warm blanket feeling, just the overall comfort, can still function while opied. opiates will always have the crown

alcohol on the other hand...makes me act like a fool, can be breath tested, puke, and i dont turn all red and feel like shit at the end due to the "asian flush"..terrible i know
 
I used to be a much heavier drinker than I am now.....multiple times a week with a pretty high tolerance.

Well, as I've gotten older, the hangovers have just gotten worse. Now I tend to dread drinking cause I know the next day will be so awful!

Since I've started taking opiates, I prefer them so much more than alcohol......especially in a nice relaxing setting. Although, I mostly do opiates alone.

There's nothing better than that tingling feeling down your spine the second it hits you, and the hour or so of totally relaxation. Beats alcohol to me!
 
I'd pick opiates over booze any day - no hangover, my night continues with better clarity, more conversation and lots more energy as opposed to being the bitchy drunk that I am. On (Rx) opiates, I remember everything from the night before, I sleep better and smell better in the morning.

If I had a choice, I'd never drink booze. Oh, wait, I do have a choice :)

Been there and BEEN there badly... so no more for me. I'm much happier now with my precious little 10mg Norco...
 
The only opiate experience I have is smoked fentanyl blotter (yes, got it tested at 330 mics / blotter) and like 30 mg of medicinal morphine, snorted with coke.

I really liked the morphine with the coke, but the fentanyl lacks something euphoric on it's own. Alcohol isn't really that euphoric too, although I really like the taste of good whiskey/cognac. The opiate high seems cleaner.

I don't know, I find coke and moresome psychedelics to be way more euphoric.
 
Ya alcohol is shit. Apart from the odd sociable pint GBL has totally replaced alcohol on my nights out.

Codeine is brilliant. I'm very wary about trying heroin. Do I trust myself?
 
Caffeinated said:
Alcohol is a powerful depressant drug, and so are opiates. I
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no. Opiates (by definition) bind to u,k,d opioid receptors and act as full or partial agonists there.

alcohol increases the effect of the internal agonist for the GABA receptor, and also acts as an NMDA antagonist.

Two very different paths of action. Opiates, are not, persay, generic CNS depressants. albeit U type opioids reduce breathing rate, they also increase the tonus of the intestines, and can cause seizures, and have a pyshomimietic effect (the nod) this is not typical of a depressant.

indeed, a selective D-opioid can increase respiration rate. and Kappa agonist appear to have no effect on it, while having a potent physomimietic effect. (salvinorin A)

Alcohol is more fairly and properly compared to benzos, barbiturates and other solvent sedatives like GHB or chloral hydrate...with the solvent sedatives and barbitutes being the closest (barbiturates exhibit some NMDA antagonist effects also, unlike benzos)

so yes, you are asking a dumb question like comparing LSD to meth.
 
i am someone who prefers alcohol but largely because my body seems to reject opiates. i have attempted to get high on opiates ranging from heroin to hydrocodone (but most commonly hydrocodone) probably about 80-100 times. only about 4 or 5 out of all those times did i actually get the feeling i believe opiate users are seeking. when i had it, it was incredible. but it was simply not reproduceable for me. the other times, i would get ranges of some to no euphoria with vast amounts of nausea, dizzyness, itching, insomnia, weakness, constipation and funny feeling in the back of my throat. some times these side effects would last for days after a single moderate dose of hydrocodone. i would literally be ill for several days after a single dose which should have been almost entirely out of my system based on my half life calculations.

so anyway, that's my problem with opiates. as for alcohol, the hangover sucks, the negative effects on the stomach suck considering i suffer from stomach problems (i wonder what the effects are like for people with normal stomachs? anyone want to chime in?) and the blackouts suck. however, aside from those things i am able to get euphoria from it and it does enhance the enjoyability of music. opiates make me not want to listen to music, or maybe it's just because i feel too sick when i'm on them.
 
Ive been getting drunk everyday since i quit dope 3 months ago . And ive been getting by much better than i was . I personally think alcohol is much better for you than heroin . After my last kick I will never use opiates daily again , the withdrawl they cause is horrendous . Tread these waters carefully both drugs CAUSE wd and are very addicting . To each there own but i choose to drink =D
 
Cosmic Charlie said:
Ive been getting drunk everyday since i quit dope 3 months ago . And ive been getting by much better than i was . I personally think alcohol is much better for you than heroin . After my last kick I will never use opiates daily again , the withdrawl they cause is horrendous . Tread these waters carefully both drugs CAUSE wd and are very addicting . To each there own but i choose to drink =D
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this is so wrong! heroin is much more benign on the body than alcohol.
 
Its like saying, "why pick a prime steak over dog food?"
 
chrisinabox said:
this is so wrong! heroin is much more benign on the body than alcohol.
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Because of the mentality spread about the illegality and illicitness of heroin, this usually isn't discovered unless you're forced to study the pharmacology of the substance or you use it / are around actual (safe) users (and not the sickly burn outs who use no harm reduction and an IV RoA, that's the unclean RoA which has nothing to do with the intrinsic RoA; which hospitals use all the time with no problems!).

Alcohol can cause Korsakoff's syndrome, brain cell death, is neurotoxic & heptatoxic. Nicotine is a carcinogen, and would kill you if insufflated in amounts equal to casual cocaine use, even marijuana causes memory impairment and neurological effects that are understood far less than that of opiates.

Heroin, when dosage and tolerance are well accounted for, is one of the safest family of recreational substances there is. No amount of preparation for safety can prevent the acute or chronic damage of smoking nicotine for example, or the cardiotoxicity of cocaine but the more effort put into the safety and harm reduction of heroin the safer it actually is. So many legal substances are indeed harsher on the body and most people will not believe you if you tell them this. That goes to show the power of social suggestion.
 
medicine cabinet said:
Because opiates are easier on the body. Plus the fact that alcohol hangovers are fekkin rotten and opiates dont really give a hangover effect per se.
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Oh I couldn't agree more, but i was just saying, economically it would be a lot easier to maintain a big heroin habit with you know like $10-20, around what it cost's to maintain an alcohol addiction. Ooooh a $10 gram, that would be sooo nice, I probobly wouldn't quit.;)
 
I could rail a 30mg roxi and be functional in everyday society with the exception of maybe nodding a tad bit and have constricted pupiles... and be as high as a kite....

or i could drink until im feeling at a comparable level of fucked, smell like booze, stumble and slur, pass out, puke, and would never drive while drunk.... i would feel much better driving on oxy as long as i was not nodding out... being under 21 i could be arrested for under aged drinking...

generally being under 21, oxy is easier for me to obtain. hell before i was 18 oxy was easier to get than cigarettes... kind of shows how fucked up our system is... a 15 year old could get any sort of narcotic as easily as ordering a pizza....
 
I guess I don't see the point in debating this, as everyone's gonna do whatever they enjoy more. As far as chronic damage to the brain, organs and body of the user, opiates are the more benign substance. However, street heroin isn't regulated like alcohol and can contain substances that seriously fuck you up or even kill you, and opiates are somewhat more addictive physically than alcohol (physical addiction occurs sooner). Then again, alcohol withdrawals can actually KILL you, whereas opiate withdrawals just make you WISH you were dead. Both can cause death from overdose...SO...

I personally HATE alcohol to the point where I won't drink even a sip of anything alcoholic no matter the situation. It makes me have mood swings every time, and that's just not fun. Opiates don't make me nauseous, cranky, or out of control of my inhibitions and enhance my self-esteem, creativity, and enthusiasm for life when used responsibly. I've been out for 5 days now and, despite the mild irritability/fatigue/pain from withdrawals (I'm lucky not to ever feel pukey or truly "sick" and fully realize this), I'm not overtaken with desperation and misery. I have had a daily pod tea habit for like 2 months with the occasional one-day break, btw. Been doing them off and on since July without too much of a problem.

It all comes down to your drug of choice, I suppose.
 
Lady Codone said:
I guess I don't see the point in debating this, as everyone's gonna do whatever they enjoy more. As far as chronic damage to the brain, organs and body of the user, opiates are the more benign substance. However, street heroin isn't regulated like alcohol and can contain substances that seriously fuck you up or even kill you, and opiates are somewhat more addictive physically than alcohol (physical addiction occurs sooner). Then again, alcohol withdrawals can actually KILL you, whereas opiate withdrawals just make you WISH you were dead. Both can cause death from overdose...SO...

I personally HATE alcohol to the point where I won't drink even a sip of anything alcoholic no matter the situation. It makes me have mood swings every time, and that's just not fun. Opiates don't make me nauseous, cranky, or out of control of my inhibitions and enhance my self-esteem, creativity, and enthusiasm for life when used responsibly. I've been out for 5 days now and, despite the mild irritability/fatigue/pain from withdrawals (I'm lucky not to ever feel pukey or truly "sick" and fully realize this), I'm not overtaken with desperation and misery. I have had a daily pod tea habit for like 2 months with the occasional one-day break, btw. Been doing them off and on since July without too much of a problem.

It all comes down to your drug of choice, I suppose.
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VERY WELL PUT, LADY CODONE...I loved your description of opiates: enhancing your self-esteem (yup), creativity (check!) and enthusiasm for life - definitelllly.
I'd like to add that I do think opiates are a form of anti-depressant, too. When I went on 60 mg. of hydrocodone per day as directed by my doctor, his concern for my mental well being diminished and he certainly noticed that. No longer am I getting the "Zoloft" talk when I go to the doc. I really liked your input, LC.
 
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