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Opioids Why Opiate addicts opt for Methadone?

If someone gets off the 2-3x a day habit to once a day dosing it can save their life.
The unpredictability of strengths can cause overdose.
The ability to get buy on a MUCH cheaper alternative makes someones life easier.
No more ripping people off to get high/keep out of withdrawals.
It undoubtedly has saved lives along with getting people back to some semblance of normality in their lives.
Instead of everyday trying to get the cash, score the dope, then try and do it again...
I support this for the overall good.
 
I used to get sedated by my methadone, now after several years I never get any sort of sedation effects.
It keeps my pain within livable levels. With only one dose a day.
I used to be one insane amounts of oxys ( 270mg a day and more sometimes) but the withdrawals where just freaking horrific.
Vomiting, sweats, RLS, the lot.
Picking up my script and puking so hard in the parking lot someone wanted to call an ambulance.
Thats all in the past, thank gods.
 
'medicine cabinet' said:
Did a heroin addict steal your lunch money or something? The same thing can be said for just about any bad physical dependence, even alchohol. Dont know why you are so hung up on heroin.
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Actually, a heroin addict took £80 SWIM, and on number of occasions I've ended up giving £30 or at least £20 to a heroin addict out of my own pocket.

The time the addict took £80 of SWIM was when he promised SWIN that he would get SWIM a gram of cocaine, he never came back with the money or the coke.
 
methadone can get you very high indeed... and as for why people use it for maintenance? maybe because its the ONLY thing that is legally available to most people (well, except for bupe). Its the only full agonist that is indicated for treating opiate dependance where I am and I think that goes for all of north america (LAAM anyone?). people who are addicts dont specifically choose methadone bc its the best or something, they "choose" it bc most ppl have the choice b/w methadone, street drugs, and nothing.
 
WatMyConditionIsIn said:
methadone can get you very high indeed... and as for why people use it for maintenance? maybe because its the ONLY thing that is legally available to most people (well, except for bupe). Its the only full agonist that is indicated for treating opiate dependance where I am and I think that goes for all of north america (LAAM anyone?). people who are addicts dont specifically choose methadone bc its the best or something, they "choose" it bc most ppl have the choice b/w methadone, street drugs, and nothing.
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Hell, I take loperamide in two week cycles to maintain between getting high on oxycodone (a small bit) then about 900mg of methadone over 8-9 days.


It's a shame LAAM is discontinued, but it is probably better for life time maintenance due to the even longer half life. I would love the shit to get high on. Honestly even Levomethadone would be a better choice to the US's cheap ass racemic shit.
 
This guy bad mouthing meth is fuckin crazy, the number of times it's allowed me to go to work, to even get out of bed....
 
I am not shy about saying Methadone saved my life. I was a fucking absolute wreck prior to getting on the program. Non-stop theft, lying, cheating, being sick etc. Joined Methadone and all the sudden I have my life back. People act like Methadone is so insidious, but it's absolutely not. If you decide to get off it's very easy to slowly taper your dose down under medical supervision.

Not to mention Methadone gets you high. It may not be a smack you in the face high like junk or OC or Opana, but it mos def provides a strong sense of well-being, and you feel relaxed and satisfied all day.

I just quit Methadone and switched to Suboxone to try and detox once and for all. Big mistake. Fuck Bupe.....

Back when I was using OC/H everybody told me, "Stay away from Methadone, you'll never get off" Fuck Them. Once again, that pink juice saved my life.
 
K-OSS said:
Simply many heroin users do not want to quit, and are using methadone to avoid the symptoms of psychical dependence until they have enough money to use heroin. And do you honestly think we should believe what a heroin user says? because most heroin addict will go to great lengthens to lie and cheat, even to very close family members about their addiction and will simply resort back to using most of them will never have the intention of stopping, only a facade of pretending to wanting to stop. Do deal with a heroin addict you have to basically think like one, you have to automatically think they are trying to mislead and misdirect you, as most of them are doing precisely that, the onus is on the addict to proof that he/she isn't misleading you.
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You are right, but you're also wrong. At my Methadone Clinic there were many people who woke up first thing, took their morning shot of smack, rode it out, and then went to the clinic for their juice. So yes, that does go on. But 90% of the patients just want their lives back, that's been my experience.
 
I could never justify going to a clinic daily. Maybe if you could get takehomes from a doctor, 1 month supplies. Otherwise, I have a ultra tolerance, and 70mg of loperamide makes me feel normal, whereas I would take 160+mg of oxy to get high, although I take methadone to get high, I could probably take the 90 pills I get a month for maintenance at lower doses, 30mg a day and feel fine. But then I couldn't get high! Who wants that?
 
I think that's just until you've stabilised, at least where I live. They don't trust us much in those early days; they test us every day, and make us come in for meth every day, and yeah, it's a major hassle, but it's still far more convenient than chasing down bags and money every hour of the day imo. Here, when you provide enough clean urine, and turn up for appointments, they start giving you weekly scripts, and monthly tests. Do that for long enough, and you're eligible for "shared car"-no tests, no appointments, no dealing with drug treatment providers: you just get your scripts monthly from your regular doctor. Course, many people on this scheme tend to stay on it for decades, if not life.
 
dopemegently said:
I think that's just until you've stabilised, at least where I live. They don't trust us much in those early days; they test us every day, and make us come in for meth every day, and yeah, it's a major hassle, but it's still far more convenient than chasing down bags and money every hour of the day imo. Here, when you provide enough clean urine, and turn up for appointments, they start giving you weekly scripts, and monthly tests. Do that for long enough, and you're eligible for "shared car"-no tests, no appointments, no dealing with drug treatment providers: you just get your scripts monthly from your regular doctor. Course, many people on this scheme tend to stay on it for decades, if not life.
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Fuck that. Loperamide works just fine to abolish acute withdrawals. You can taper on it, and it doesn't get you high, it is long half lifed like methadone which is good and bad. It doesn't block opioids like methadone, but it does raise your tolerance.
 
BlueHues said:
There's a lot of people on Bluelight who are intelligent and capable of formulating reasonable opinions based on accurate information.

The problem is: A lot of you have absolutely no firsthand experience with a drug like heroin in real life, and you're drawing all your "knowledge" from whatever you can find on a search engine, which can hardly be considered reliable, accurate information.

I wouldn't call you "ignorant" so much as "ill-informed"...

Your reasoning, and the way you think things should be according to your ideals have nothing to do with the reality of drug use in the "real world"....

It's just incredibly irritating to me....
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I understand that many don't have heroin experience and it is living hell unless you deal or are cash rich.
The point of methadone its prescribed so people can function without being waisted, the problems arise when the majority of heroin uses need that warm blanket of a hit. Methadone is far harder to beat than H so IMO methadone is evil.
I was lucky (or mad) but I stocked up on benzo's moved to the islands of Scotland and cold turkeyed and lived for 3 years until I had no need for it.
It brought back all my natural euphoria and with the help of a group of friends and a cute 18 year old Scottish lassie life was good again.
Cold turkey and lose old associates was the only way for me.
 
Carpet crawler said:
I understand that many don't have heroin experience and it is living hell unless you deal or are cash rich.
The point of methadone its prescribed so people can function without being waisted, the problems arise when the majority of heroin uses need that warm blanket of a hit. Methadone is far harder to beat than H so IMO methadone is evil.
I was lucky (or mad) but I stocked up on benzo's moved to the islands of Scotland and cold turkeyed and lived for 3 years until I had no need for it.
It brought back all my natural euphoria and with the help of a group of friends and a cute 18 year old Scottish lassie life was good again.
Cold turkey and lose old associates was the only way for me.
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I agree that methadone sucks, and if you're in a position to be able to detox from it, it's the best thing...absolutely! But if it comes to having to steal and risk getting locked up everyday to support your habit, I'd rather be on methadone than in prison!

I got of methadone after being on for about 3 years...moved away like you did, but it was to northern Florida, where I knew nobody and there wasn't any heroin to speak o really...It was worth it...

Picked it up again in '05...now I'm back on Suboxone again...not great, but affordable and keeps me out of trouble...I have no business fucking around with it right now....and again, I live in Nebraska right now, so once again I'm in a place with not much heroin....moving away from your sources can really help!
 
BlueHues said:
I agree that methadone sucks, and if you're in a position to be able to detox from it, it's the best thing...absolutely! But if it comes to having to steal and risk getting locked up everyday to support your habit, I'd rather be on methadone than in prison!

I got of methadone after being on for about 3 years...moved away like you did, but it was to northern Florida, where I knew nobody and there wasn't any heroin to speak o really...It was worth it...

Picked it up again in '05...now I'm back on Suboxone again...not great, but affordable and keeps me out of trouble...I have no business fucking around with it right now....and again, I live in Nebraska right now, so once again I'm in a place with not much heroin....moving away from your sources can really help!
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Taper with suboxone then switch to low dose loperamide, taper loperamide. Or taper a full agonist CNS active drug over a month to get the long half life bupe reset out of you.
 
I heard this somewhere..."The junkies main problem is not heroin(or methadone in this case) but lack of heroin"

So when people are on their DOC mostly with opiates they behave themselves and can be more productive members of society then say someone caught in the find drugs, deal with withdrawal cycle. It is when withdrawal sets in or the uncertainty of when their next dose is that causes the need for crimes.

Now I believe Switzerland actually prescribes pure pharmacy grade heroin to some addicts that fit certain criteria. They are given their medicine throughout the day and they have found it helps people keep their jobs/etc.
 
^Progressive countries like Switzerland, the Netherlands, etc, have been operating those safe injection sites for a long time now, and a small percentage end up being prescribed pharmaceutical diacetylmorphine, it's not common, it's HIGHLY/STRICTLY regulated, and IIRC, if it's all free. Free clean syringes, free prepping stuff for those who aren't legally prescribed the heroin so like SteriCups since a lot of european heroin requires ascorbic acid (Like 2% of the solution, like barely any is needed...), the sterile citric acid / pH adjustment required by Heroin #3, free testing for the common big bad ones: HIV, Hepatitis-C, liver and kidney function, counseling, safe disposal of all the used syringes, they even have near-micron-quality but not really from a purely statistical perspective, alhough they are indeed sterile compressed cotton filters, like SteriFilts, and the SteriCups I mentioned are like...... 100000000x better than the USA's policy which has addicts using HORRIBLE cookers like the bottom of aluminum cans, bottlecaps, things that leach carcinogens (particularly with BPA and plastic shit).

Reminder: NEVER APPLY HEAT TO AMERICAN HEROIN. ONLY EUROPEAN HEROIN REQUIRES A pH ADJUSTMENT (citric) + GENTLE heat to work well.
 
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