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Opioids Why Opiate addicts opt for Methadone?

I really have to question what kind of loser would actually go onto an anonymous HR website, onto a thread about IV drug-use or methadone with no experience, and attempt to dole advice out to people!

If you work in a methadone clinic, great...glad to hear your opinion! If you're a doctor who has an understanding of these things on a scientific and practical level who has something to add to the discussion...thank you for taking the time to answer! If you're a pothead who's sitting in your dorm-room whose opiate experience amounts to taking "roxis" once in a awhile since the beginning of freshman year...I'm sorry but you have no reason to offer advice on a thread pertaining to IV heroin use or methadone!

This threads a little bit different because it's basically someone just starting a thread to spout there opinions on methadone, which really isn't even a valid OD thread to begin with....

I've never had a major physical benzodiazepine habit that's lasted for years, I could probably tell someone how to taper and what to take for the withdrawal, but I really don't feel that I have any business answering questions about something of which I have no first-hand experience or special knowledge!

There's threads on BL where you can casually discuss drugs, but when it comes to discussing things like physical dependency, drug combinations and IV, you really shouldn't be answering questions unless you have something to back it up...

And if you're knowledgeable enough to give advice with no actual experience or education on the topic, good for you!
 
BlueHues said:
If you're a pothead who's sitting in your dorm-room whose opiate experience amounts to taking "roxis" once in a awhile since the beginning of freshman year...I'm sorry but you have no reason to offer advice on a thread pertaining to IV heroin use or methadone!
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You've never heard of trolls on the internet? Anybody can pretend to be experienced with strong opiates. Posters' experience is not a metric that is available. Instead, you can judge a post by checking if the reasoning is logical, if examples are poignant, if the post seems pertinent to the question at hand, if the author clearly distinguishes between facts and assumptions/subjective beliefs, etc.

Mr.Scagnattie said:
there is no "bias".. it's called "knowing what you're talking about from real world experience."
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There is a tremendous amount of empirical evidence for various kinds of cognitive biases. You could start by reading this Wikipedia entry. The articles on Wikipedia should point you to many of the detailed empirical findings. The opinions of both users and non-users of methadone are likely to be affected by these biases.

For example, the views of opiate addicts on methadone consumption could be affected by choice-supportive bias. The anecdotes users elect to share about their opiate consumption is likely affected by confirmation bias (here's an interesting newspaper article on confirmation bias).
 
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golden goal said:
You've never heard of trolls on the internet? Anybody can pretend to be experienced with strong opiates. Posters' experience is not a metric that is available. Instead, you can judge a post by checking if the reasoning is logical, if examples are poignant, if the post seems pertinent to the question at hand, if the author clearly distinguishes between facts and assumptions/subjective beliefs, etc.


There is a tremendous amount of empirical evidence for various kinds of cognitive biases. You could start by reading this Wikipedia entry. The articles on Wikipedia should point you to many of the detailed empirical findings. The opinions of both users and non-users of methadone are likely to be affected by these biases.

For example, the views of opiate addicts on methadone consumption could be affected by choice-supportive bias. The anecdotes users elect to share about their opiate consumption is likely affected by confirmation bias (here's an interesting newspaper article on confirmation bias).
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Personally, I think you're an "internet troll"...and an irritating one. Yeah, as pathetic as it is, if you can fake your way through a discussion about something by pretending to be a drug-user, I wish you a nice life....

The transparency with which you use language that you seem to think "makes you sound smart" is embarrassing. Not only that, but unable to form mature opinions that genuinely express your viewpoint, you simply try to divert the whole discussion into something completely unrelated. It's like someone losing an argument about whose football team is better and coming back with, "Recreational activities that use balls of different shapes and sizes that are fashioned from a wide variety of materials, including bone, wood and leather have been being enjoyed by children in every part of the world for millennia. Do you know what year football was invented?"
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This thread should be closed anyway because of the original pointlessness....
 
golden goal said:
Well, in case of heroin and methadone, the one who made the bad choice is the addict. That's the guy who made bad decisions, possibly out of being misinformed, possibly for a bunch of other reasons.

Wouldn't you rather listen to somebody who has avoided the pitfalls, has made the smart choice of not using?
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No not about drug addiction I wouldn't...

I've read all your posts thus far and though you use a lot of big words and try to sound really smart, you haven't actually said anything.. If you're just coming to cause a confrontation I can tell you that'll be shut down really fast.

If you actually have experience in the given topic, then by all means..

Thanks and welcome to the site.
 
Methadone does not cross the BBB (Blood Brain Barrier). Methadone does not make you feel good it just does not make you dope sick. It doesn't get you "high" in the traditional sense.
 
JBRONCFAN said:
Methadone does not cross the BBB (Blood Brain Barrier). Methadone does not make you feel good it just does not make you dope sick. It doesn't get you "high" in the traditional sense.
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Where did you hear that methadone doesn't cross the blood brain barrier? That's not true at all.. it very much does.

Loperamide is something that is technically an opiate but doesn't cross the BBB (or just at very minuscule levels), but methadone certainly does.
 
BlueHues said:
Personally, I think you're an "internet troll"...and an irritating one. Yeah, as pathetic as it is, if you can fake your way through a discussion about something by pretending to be a drug-user, I wish you a nice life....

The transparency with which you use language that you seem to think "makes you sound smart" is embarrassing. Not only that, but unable to form mature opinions that genuinely express your viewpoint, you simply try to divert the whole discussion into something completely unrelated. It's like someone losing an argument about whose football team is better and coming back with, "Recreational activities that use balls of different shapes and sizes that are fashioned from a wide variety of materials, including bone, wood and leather have been being enjoyed by children in every part of the world for millennia. Do you know what year football was invented?"
8)

This thread should be closed anyway because of the original pointlessness....
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This post is just absurd, full of logical fallacies.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
^^^

You are very uniformed on the reality of drug use..

And you're wrong.. having experience with the drugs in questions is exactly what gives you the real qualifications to speak about them.. there is no "bias".. it's called "knowing what you're talking about from real world experience."...

Who would you rather have operate on you? A surgeon who has been practicing and in the business for 20 years... or some guy who just read a lot of books on it yet hasn't ever even held a scalpel..? Whose opinion carries more weight..? :\
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How do you know the experienced user is giving you accurate information how do you verify the validity and veracity of a claim made by an experienced user? You can't compare it to a surgeon because even a surgeon starts out on theoretical work, before they are allowed to operate on a human. Who do you go for a surgeon who has a masters in his field of a surgeon who claims to have 20 years of experience but isn't able to prove it?

Simply many heroin users do not want to quit, and are using methadone to avoid the symptoms of psychical dependence until they have enough money to use heroin. And do you honestly think we should believe what a heroin user says? because most heroin addict will go to great lengthens to lie and cheat, even to very close family members about their addiction and will simply resort back to using most of them will never have the intention of stopping, only a facade of pretending to wanting to stop. Do deal with a heroin addict you have to basically think like one, you have to automatically think they are trying to mislead and misdirect you, as most of them are doing precisely that, the onus is on the addict to proof that he/she isn't misleading you.
 
Did a heroin addict steal your lunch money or something? The same thing can be said for just about any bad physical dependence, even alchohol. Dont know why you are so hung up on heroin.
 
weekend addiction said:
Hey Guido. I was full aware of what methadone was and how the program worked. I was making an informed decision to check out of life with as much methadone as they would give me. I'd been doing it with illegal drugs and I wanted to continue to do it with legal methadone which my insurance would pay for. I knew at the time methadone wasn't in my best interest in the long run but I just couldn't bear the idea of quitting. It sounded impossible to me.

I haven't done a strong opiate in 11 months. And the year before that only sparingly.
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Sounds to me it might of been in your best interest. I'm sensing your mental addiction to opiates was extremely severe.
 
K-OSS said:
How do you know the experienced user is giving you accurate information how do you verify the validity and veracity of a claim made by an experienced user? You can't compare it to a surgeon because even a surgeon starts out on theoretical work, before they are allowed to operate on a human. Who do you go for a surgeon who has a masters in his field of a surgeon who claims to have 20 years of experience but isn't able to prove it?

Simply many heroin users do not want to quit, and are using methadone to avoid the symptoms of psychical dependence until they have enough money to use heroin. And do you honestly think we should believe what a heroin user says? because most heroin addict will go to great lengthens to lie and cheat, even to very close family members about their addiction and will simply resort back to using most of them will never have the intention of stopping, only a facade of pretending to wanting to stop. Do deal with a heroin addict you have to basically think like one, you have to automatically think they are trying to mislead and misdirect you, as most of them are doing precisely that, the onus is on the addict to proof that he/she isn't misleading you.
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Bluelight is a discussion forum, not a place for you to just dump your opinions.....You're not bringing anything new to the table at all! Yeah... "addicts are dishonest and methadone is worse than heroin"....wow really?! That's the first time I'd ever heard that! I think you should send all your posts in this thread to a major newspaper...They'd have to hire you!

God....why is this thread open?
 
"It doesn't get you high"

bullshit...the counselors at my clinic told me this as well and they couldnt be more wrong..the first few weeks on methadone i was in a very nice opiate high...nodding as well..why people continue to say this is beyond me..
 
belfort said:
"It doesn't get you high"

bullshit...the counselors at my clinic told me this as well and they couldnt be more wrong..the first few weeks on methadone i was in a very nice opiate high...nodding as well..why people continue to say this is beyond me..
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It all depends on how big your habit is. There have been times where I wasn't using too much and the methadone did have a big effect.. however, there were other times coming off a large habit I had for a while where the meth barley touched it and it takes 100mg's just to feel normal, forget about being high.
 
Yeah, that's also true for bupe in a way; I felt really great for a while, say around two months. Eight years down the line it just makes me feel normal, although I do get a subtle warm glow which goes after 3 hours usually.

I think the reason bupe and meth are so popular among both addicts and treatment providers is because the effects last so long; you take your dose, and you're held for the whole day, sometimes longer. Course, this is also their big weakness-with their lengthy half-lives, detoxing from them can take far, far longer than other opiates. It's probably the main reason I've been on it so long, actually.
 
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