Why NOT to vote Lib this year

[katmeow]

but there's something about Johnny Howard that I like, he stands tall (I realise the irony of this comment) and stands by what he believes no matter what.

Yah, he's pretty good at standing by his lies 8)

1 - Questions from Labor/Minor parties .
These are the tougher ones, but since the speaker (ala the referee) is chosen by the liberals and cowered by the PM controlling his job, theres no compunction to actually answer the question. The answer invariably goes
"Well you may want to talk about XX today, but what about XX in 1984' or some other period during labors 13 yr rule.

I've noticed this too whenever I've watched question time ... the Libs are very good at not actually answering the question they've been asked and twisting it around to something rather irrelevant from the past.


Anyway, I'm meant to be studying at the moment, so I'll come back to this thread, but middle finger...

I made those random statements just to annoy you Labour voters... I know who I'm voting for and I have my reasons

I'm just curious what your reasons are? You've come in and had a go at other people's beliefs, made some rather immature comments & stated politics bore you. Give me some valid reasons to vote for the LIberal party.

 

[apollo]

I'm voting for Liberal because I like John Howard. I want him as our PM for the next 4 years. I don't intend to waste my vote either.


I made those random statements just to annoy you Labour voters... I know who I'm voting for and I have my reasons, not just because I don't like Latham. As if I could be bothered trying to convinve you that I'm right. Everyone has obviously made up their minds.

Just curious....
Do you think we should withdraw our troops from Iraq now?
Do you think we should allow ILLEGAL immigrants into the country?


I know you will probably want to argue with me more, but I don't give a shit.... politics bore me.

You're putting an awful lot of effort into defending yourself for someone who claims not to give a shit

You stress the point "ILLEGAL" as if it is reason enough for us not to let these people in.

Do you think we should let people smoke ILLEGAL marijuana?

Get my point? The law is not always right.

Anyway, the issue isn't legality, IMHO it's pretty much a matter of opinion. You've asked what I think, so... I don't think we should let boat loads of illegal immigrants in unconditionally. Purely because I believe (rightly or wrongly) that if we did, we'd have half of south east asia knocking a day or two later. However, I don't think illegal immigrants should be detained for years and treated like prisoners either. Their claims should be processed within two weeks, and then they should be sent on their way/let in, as deemed appropriate.

Iraq? We're damned if we do, and we're damned if we don't. I don't mind either way; the damage is done. I hope the Australian public have learned that fucking up a 3rd world country can not lead us anywhere good.

Do you know that by not signing the Kyoto protocol, the Liberals are contributing massively to global warming, which will one day melt your prescious snow fields? (Oh, wait, let me guess - you don't care because you wont be alive when it happens?) And that they're completely anti-drug? Being a marijuana smoker, wouldn't it be wiser to vote for a party with a more realisitic drug policy?

 

[katmeow]

And can I just add... to those who haven't enrolled to vote - GO DO IT NOW!!!!

On polling day, you can walk in and place a tick in the box of whichever candidate you please. This is a privilege that many people around the world do not enjoy. It's all well and good to say you have no interest in politics, but the decisions made by the government impact your life and it saddens me to think you don't take any interest in that

 

[lost_boi]

I don't care because i think its cool not to care or anything like that.
Not much could make me want to enrol. I would need a good reason too.

 

[Munted]

I THINK WE CAN SAFELY ESTABLISH THAT JOHNNY IS A LIAR

Can you show me a politician that isn't. . . .'nuff said

In fact since everybodies up with their facts, and I'm not. . .Has there been any party in power in the history of Australian Goverment where the newly elected party has kept ALL of their election promises????

I'm not usually a gambling man, but I'd put money on the negative.

 

[Wacky]

Can you show me a politician that isn't. . . .'nuff said

No offense , but that is a cop out.I expect leaders to be honest with the public and lead by example.Good leaders are honest to the public and take responsibility for what they do and say.They also,take responsiblity of the people under them.They do NOT pass the buck.Passing the buck is the norm for John Howard.

I also,think,if we have no expectations,then politican's will continue to lie so much,because they know they can get way with it . If we expect higher standards,they may have to try to reach them .

NO way am I voting for the 'Liberal Party'. They are dishonest and bad policies.Policies that include encouraging people to be selfish by picking on minorities.Also, one's that are populist and reinforce ill-informed views of the masses eg: The federal government saying "Boat people arriving could be terrorists?".The terrorists who committed 9/11 ALL arrived in USA by plane.A terrorist would want to blend in,NOT risk their life on a crappy boat and NOT even reach the distance of choice.

Also,I'm NOT voting "Labor Party".Mark Latham is a bit too populist (Eg: Agreeing with John Howard,when Howard said 'Hicks' & 'Habib' would NOT have been abused,thus blindly believing the USA government . ), and is quite conservative.He is narrow minded in his views on issues and only goes on his experience.He needs to ask,read and find more about people's experiences.But,I do like 'Labor' better regarding, health, education and industral relations.

I'm voting 'Greens'.They stand up for what they think is right and do NOT change their view,even if the public strongerly disagree.They care about the environment,workers rights (Something this current government has taken away),and opened minded policies on issues such as 'drugs', 'the war'.They are willing to have ideas tried to better Australia.I realise,Labor or Liberal will win government.I personally,out of those two I really hope 'Labor' wins :D .

 

[ButrosButros_Grantos]

You know what? Vote Labour, you'll be a minority of stupid people casting stupid votes anyway...

 

[killarava2day]

It's Labor, not Labour...

 

[lostpunk5545]

I really can't believe that there are people on a drug oriented bulletin board that would vote liberal... crazy...

 

[Mean Girl]

You know what? Vote Labour, you'll be a minority of stupid people casting stupid votes anyway...

You're doing a mighty fine job of pissing off the masses there. You've stated your opinion on the Liberal and Labour parties, try not to just snap at people to make them react with statements like that. Totally uneccesary to call people stupid in that manner. 8(

Slight tangent, I see a lot of people in this moral dilemma. Primarily, they want Little Johnny out, but in order to do that, they have one of 2 options.

1. Vote Greens, it's who they want to vote for, but know that their vote is really in the minority.
2. Vote Labor. Not their ideal party to vote for, but they have the numbers behind them that if they do vote for labor, the chances of getting Johhny out are better.

So which choice should they make?

I refuse to vote Liberal. I will always refuse to vote Liberal. Howards stance on the issues that really matter to me are appallingly closeminded and unbudging (gay adoption and marriage, Iraq etc...), and I will pray to whatever will listen to make sure he doesn't get re-elected.

 

[Wacky]

I refuse to vote Liberal. I will always refuse to vote Liberal. Howards stance on the issues that really matter to me are appallingly closeminded and unbudging (gay adoption and marriage, Iraq etc...), and I will pray to whatever will listen to make sure he doesn't get re-elected.

Amen to that Mean Girl :D . Please add me to the list of people that pray the current federal Liberal party do NOT get back in too,he,he,he..... .

 

[banga]

GOOOOO LITTLE JOHNNY

WOW........i'll have to join the debates here more often. honestly i just cannot cop arguments that lack perspective.

sure the current libs have pissed some people off......and so have many preceding federal governemnts. remember lieing is an inherent characteristic of all pollies

but try and take in the big picture......the libs are doing a better job of managing the economy than proceding labour governments.

latham is a buffoon. bashes up a cabbie and now is opposition leader. credibility personified with his troupe of clowns in tow. i would not hand economic management of the country to these people or the democrats or those twits the greens. if the greens ever get into power i'll pack up and go to NZ....

anyway......the country is already fucked.......lets not make it more fucked by voting in inexperience......*read....labor/greens* .

remember: you heard it here first!

 

[ButrosButros_Grantos]

^^^Yes, another thing don't greens votes by their preferred voting method usually go to Liberal? So yes vote greens by all means!

 

[apollo]

Re: GOOOOO LITTLE JOHNNY

WOW........i'll have to join the debates here more often. honestly i just cannot cop arguments that lack perspective.

sure the current libs have pissed some people off......and so have many preceding federal governemnts. remember lieing is an inherent characteristic of all pollies

but try and take in the big picture......the libs are doing a better job of managing the economy than proceding labour governments.

latham is a buffoon. bashes up a cabbie and now is opposition leader. credibility personified with his troupe of clowns in tow. i would not hand economic management of the country to these people or the democrats or those twits the greens. if the greens ever get into power i'll pack up and go to NZ....

anyway......the country is already fucked.......lets not make it more fucked by voting in inexperience......*read....labor/greens* .

remember: you heard it here first!

Ahh yes, damn those arguments that lack perspective 8)

What you're saying is that because all politicans lie, it doesn't matter that Howard did too? If you can't see the intrinsic flaws in that reasoning, you're a lost cause. Maybe you'll change your mind when one of the people Howard's lying has "pissed off" detonates a bomb in your capital city?

You're saying the Liberals have done a better job managing the economy than the preceeding Labour governments.

The jury is out on that one... But I'd like to know what you based that on? Have you got any idea what they've done with the economy? Do me a favour and give me some examples of this refined economic management you're attributing to the Liberals?

I'll bet $50 I don't have (which you'll never get if you win) that anything you can come up with I can solidly refute. I'll also gamble that you don't actually have any idea what the Liberals have done to the economy, nor Labour... And that you have to do research just to come up with material to substantiate that claim.

But, I'm open to what you've got to say about Liberal economic management..?

Oh, and by the way, Latham prescribes to the same economic ideals as Howard - economic rationalism. Clearly you didn't know that. I wonder what else you don't know?

 

[preacha]

i think we should just admit that elections isn't about voting the party that is going to do the most for the country, but the party that will screw us over the least.

 

[apollo]

^^ If that's all democracy is worth and we don't believe in it ourselves...

How do we justify invading Iraq to deliver it?

 

[Wacky]

But,remember the reason given was 'Weapons Of Mass Destruction'.I'm, still waiting for them,he,he,he,he,he........... .

 

[apollo]

i think we should just admit that elections isn't about voting the party that is going to do the most for the country, but the party that will screw us over the least.

You call that 'slightly flawed' democracy keej? Pfft

You're being idealisitic. Yes, in a detatched situation 'slightly flawed democracy' is better than a fascist dictatorship; that's obvious.

Unfortunately history exists, people have opinions and they speak rather loudly against what you've said. Notice that the Iraqi's are still fighting this wonderful democracy we're trying to deliver them? They might not know what's best for them, it's impossible to say. But the fact they're still fighting us really invalidates our presence and opinions on whats best for them.

What I'm getting at; who are we to tell them a democracy is better for them than a fascist dictatorship? We did, and the country is completely gobsmackingly fucked now. The Iraqi's were better off before we invaded. Hence they were better of under a fascist dictatorship. Not because a fascist dictatorship is better than democracy, we all know what's better there. But what it took to change from a dictatorship to a democracy has fucked any hope of democracy! That's the bit your little idealistic retort ignores, and the bit which flaws it. You've gotta look at the whole situation - history, opinions, requirements, consequences, etc... Not just the concepts/ideologies involved.

Now another question, how can we ever install a democracy there if they didn't get a choice in it?

 

[DrShrink]

Re: GOOOOO LITTLE JOHNNY

sure the current libs have pissed some people off......and so have many preceding federal governemnts. remember lieing is an inherent characteristic of all pollies

Sure, and in 1974 when a Minister of whitlams government mislead parliament (accidentally) he resigned. This government does it smiling. It does it deliberatly. It does it for personal gain. We accept murder happens, that doesnt mean we should accept a serial killer.

but try and take in the big picture......the libs are doing a better job of managing the economy than proceding labour governments.

The reason your stressing management of the economy, is because labor spent 13 years reforming it. Labor built the new economy, the Liberals have minded the store. And your right they've done a good job, they've also enjoyed good world wide economic conditions. However beyond this they havnt achieved much with that mangement. Sure they sold some of telstra and paid off some debt, and added a new tax, but most of the surpluses have gone to liberal party causes and their re-election process. I sure hope you enjoy the $100m they will spend of our money advertising the government between now and christmas.

latham is a buffoon. bashes up a cabbie and now is opposition leader.

Lets try that sentence more truthfully and fairly :
He rugby tackled a cabby who stole his gear. He got aneconomics degree, wrote several books, spent a decade in parliament and now is oppositon leader.
Sure he's inexperienced, But John Curtin had never been a minister before he was our War time leader, Bob Hawke had been in parliament 3 years before becoming leader. And yet they are some of the most sucessful and popular australian leaders. Howards "experience" before becoming PM, was a disasterous stint as treasurer which left a bigger deficit than anything labor produced.

anyway......the country is already fucked......

It is ?

Want to say why ? Or say why if the country is fucked why we should continue on the same path with the same tired, idealess men at the helm ?
Sounds like wanting to dig your way out of a hole to me.

 

[*sunflower*]

^^ yeah I will be voting green. Have never voted for the liberal party in my life but there's little difference between liberal and labour these days even if I do agree with labour's traditional policies.

As a nurse and a student I have a personal hatred for this government and Howard. I also disagree with our involvement in the war but the less said about that the better I suppose.

My first voting experience was in North Qld, well, a rather long time ago. I voted for the marijuana party (an obviously independent party that never got off the ground). My father was FURIOUS. Heh.

Edit. My first sentence was meant for someone elses post which no longer exists.

I am confused now.

Carry on.