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Phenethylamines Why Mescaline Is Not Found On the Black Market

uniter said:
hehe, also, not like I actually like rap, but that song was made back in the days of when E pills actually contained MDMA. They were likely actually getting good pills. :D
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Plenty of pills still contain MDMA. I can't say I have eaten a tab in the past half year that didn't contain a decent amount of it. (I use a pill testing kit and constantly sift through the bullshit on pillreports to find the useful reports.) Pokeballs and pistols have treated me well. (Naked ladies, aliens, and eckos have also. That being said, pill names don't mean anything past a few week period and only in certain regions.)


And yeah, I didn't realize what I was replying to was so old haha, but I don't think anybody had clarified the issue. (It does happen to be on the first page, I didn't bump the thread haha.)

cegli said:
Haha, man first off this thread is 8 years old. Second, did you read the original post? It is very very very unlikely that it was mescaline. I would personally bet a grand on it. It was probably a DOx. Almost definitely at that duration. People sell them as "synthetic mescaline" all the time because barely anyone wants DOI, but people want synthetic mesacline :-P.

Welcome to bluelight though!
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DOx, 2C-X, etc.


They are all still amazing chems, it just bugs me that plenty of people have done them without knowing it. Telling people they're wrong isn't a matter of calling them out, I only do it because I find it sad that with the current legal position most of us are in that thugs get to improperly name drugs and those names tend to stick.
 
This is a good old topic to dig up considering all the rumors that go around. I remember from 1977 till about 1984 there were little microdot barrels that were referred to "mesc". Supposedly mescaline and it was safer and cleaner than acid as it was being spread at the time. One of these little barrels was usually not enough and 2-4 was considered a full trip. Now the word that came out later was synthetic mescaline was expensive to produce and would require a nice little pile of powder that would not fit into a pill. But people still thought they were taking mescaline (like in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas). Till this day this chem was not as strong or energetic as blotter acid, lasted about 6 hours and was sort of different than the forms of acid that did circulate at that time. It was an excellent psychedelic and it did not feel like an RC that we have going around today. Did not feel like a DOX. So I went ahead and just assumed these were smaller doses of acid in a pill. I can not account for the milder and different feel though. I would love to know the actual content of some of the excellent forms of these little pills. Some say it was just acid yet in a double blind study (me) they had differing effects from just acid. One thing is for certain that what was circulating as "mesc" probably was not synthetic mescaline.
 
Maybe it's the same chemical which is now circulating on those weird hofmann blotters. They also felt very much like acid but lasted only 6 hours.
 
dread said:
Maybe it's the same chemical which is now circulating on those weird hofmann blotters. They also felt very much like acid but lasted only 6 hours.
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Maybe the stuff you're referring to is that relatively new RC that works a lot like acid and is also in the order of potency, I'm having trouble recalling the name but it is similar to 'luminol'.
Was sold by a vendor that also had 4-Pro-DiPT and stuff some time ago, but now they're offline. I also think there was something sketchy about the LSD-like stuff, it had a really interesting structure quite unlike others though I believe there were psychological or physiological risks associated or suspected.

On topic: ...because the world is cruel ;)
 
dread said:
Maybe it's the same chemical which is now circulating on those weird hofmann blotters. They also felt very much like acid but lasted only 6 hours.
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I do hope some enterprizing/curious sort has gotten around to synthing lysergic acid morpholide. Very similar to LSD, but only lasting marginally longer than psilocybin fits the above description
 
dread said:
LSM is what I thought as well... maybe someone could not get any diethylamine... but then why not make s-butyl-amide. Why make the less potent morpholide?

Solipsys, do you mean lucigenol?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucigenol
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And maybe they didn't want to synthesize a controlled drug - well in the UK as any N-alkyl or N,N-dialkyl derivative of lysergic acid amide is controlled under the MoDA (eg the s-butylamide), as morpholine isn't an alkyl group (not even a tame government chemist is going to try and claim that!). All of the benefits of LSD without the legal risks - OK it requires 300ug, which still easily fits on a blotter, instead of 100ug for a full experience, but to me, the reduction in potency would still massively outweigh the sleepless nights thinking about what sort of sentences are handed down for making LSD...
 
When you put it like that it almost seems incredible that nobody has made (or rather distributed) this rather wondrous sounding chem, Bulbous One. Guess it would be covered under enough analogue acts around the world to make it unprofitable maybe? Or enough dodginess required to get the bits and bobs together to synth it would ring too many alarm bells? Sounds like a plan somebody somewhere should put into action though :D

Mmm... legal nearly-acid <3
 
Well if the morpholide is legal, then the dimethylazetidide should also be legal... and more potent even.

By the way fast&bulbs. What ever came from your experiences with this substance (azetidide)? Did you write a trip report?
 
^ yep the dimethylazetidide is uncontrolled in the UK. It's just the morpholide is shorter acting and doesn't involve using a horribly toxic compound like most of the smaller nitrogen containing heterocycles are (aziridine & azetidine, the 3 & 4 member nitrogen heterocycles respectively, are horribly toxic things due to the fact that the ring is strained & opens so easily (as in they will alkylate a load of different functional groups)

Afraid I still haven't gotten around to trying it yet. When I do, I will write up a tip report (I'm even lazy when it comes to drug taking! =D =D)
 
Vaque said:
the hydrochloride is only more potent by _weight_ this is because the mass of sulfate is 96.0576 G/Mol and the mass of hydrochloride is 36.4609 G/mol, so 307 mg mescaline sulfate or 247 mg mescaline hcl contain both 211 mg mescaline freebase.
Converting mescaline the sulfate to the hcl salt would only result in potency increase by _weight_.
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Mescaline forms the hemisulphate salt as far as I can remember ie two molecules of mescaline form a salt with 1 molecule of sulphuric acid (sulphuric acid has 2 ionized hydrogen ions)
 
Dread what evidence do you have that the new 2006-2008 hoffmans with the ohm on the back are not LSD?

I tested them with an ehrlichs test and it test positive for LSD.

I'll do it again and post pics if you don't believe me. Eat more they are LSD.
 
I'm not talking about the ones with the ohm on the back.

Anyway how do you know that LSM would not show a false positive for LSD on ehrlichs test?
 
After all. LSM is very similar to LSD. There's only 2 hydrogens less and one oxygen more. In other words the two ethyls on the amide are connected by an oxygen.

It would be very likely to give a lot of false positives on simple reagent tests.

I have no evidence of course, it's all speculation. Based on the fact that the blotters I ate, gave me nice acid-like effects which were practically gone by the 6th hour. LSM requires triple the dosage compared to LSD. So the blotters being larger than average makes sense too.
 
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