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Why isn't mitragynine (Kratom) scheduled?

probally because u cannot overdose off this shit which leads me to wonder how people are truly getting high off it cause theres a fine line IMO between high off opiates and OD.

ive never heard of people nodding off kratom and shit.
 
Kratom packs plenty of euphoria, but it is a more complex high than just an opiate. I've gotten nods off of higher doses of leaf combined with a bump of 7HO when they kicked in. It's all about individual tolerance. If you're smoking of banging heroin every day, it will have no high. For the occasional user, hydrocodone is a good analogy, except that it is far less sedating and has a nice motivating effect. The quality of the product, how it is ingested and metabolism all play a part. Note that overdose does not cause death, but is very unpleasant..
 
prhighmalrage said:
Kratom is definitely better/stronger than codeine assuming you do enough. Kratom is one of my favorite opiates actually, for me it can be more fun than even the rushy fentanyl. (no tolerence here)
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I fully agree, it is a fantastically powerful and yet subtle emotionally and physically compound. More potent than codeine, and the tea or extracts that I make it is comparable to snorted H powder or at least a high dose of hydrocodone. Same itch, yet better. VERY mentally and physically relaxing (feels just like an opiate.) and also somewhat stimulating at the same time. I would equate the stimulation to that of a single cup of coffee, yet better smoother and with you for the beginning to middle of the experience.

SHhhhhhh, keep it legal. I am young but have cronic back pain, we don't want it to get scheduled. It helps me out tremendously.
 
ktx49 said:
probally because u cannot overdose off this shit which leads me to wonder how people are truly getting high off it cause theres a fine line IMO between high off opiates and OD.

ive never heard of people nodding off kratom and shit.
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I do, everytime I make a strong dose. And I have tried MANY an opiate to date.
 
I don't do anything stronger then PST currently and kratom does absolutely nothing for me, at doses up to 30 grams from a very popular supplier.

I feel mildly stimulated for an hour, it feels nothing like opiates to me and I can't for the life of me believe how much its been hyped online. I suspect kratom vendors are responsible for many if not most of the glowing reports online, or to get anything from it requires absolute opiate virginity. I've seen people claim it feels like methadone come on!
 
garuda said:
I don't do anything stronger then PST currently and kratom does absolutely nothing for me, at doses up to 30 grams from a very popular supplier.

I feel mildly stimulated for an hour, it feels nothing like opiates to me and I can't for the life of me believe how much its been hyped online. I suspect kratom vendors are responsible for many if not most of the glowing reports online, or to get anything from it requires absolute opiate virginity. I've seen people claim it feels like methadone come on!
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I think it's more likely that it's just you.
 
AuraithX said:
I think it's more likely that it's just you.
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Straight up man! ^

And Aur, I suspect you are a SERIOUS abuser of opiates (no offense to other addicts, INCLUDING myself.)

Kratom actually IS powerful when prepered the right way. I can see why some super junkies don't feel it. Strange, considering that the 7-hydroxymitragynine alkaloid is many times stronger than morphine, in many studies.

I KNOW that there will be further research, and we will develop compounds as such with more potent (and fewer side-effects than other common weaker opiate derivatives.)

:o
 
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ktx49 said:
probally because u cannot overdose off this shit which leads me to wonder how people are truly getting high off it cause theres a fine line IMO between high off opiates and OD.

ive never heard of people nodding off kratom and shit.
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You can overdose on Kratom
 
I am naturally very close minded to any chemical alterance in my neurochemistry at ANY time. Kratom is intense for me, I'm not sure where you're getting it. I would recommend getting at least an ounce for your stash in case it's ever non-legal. I want to get a pound, although it's a bit pricey for that...not compared to any other opiod compounds however.
 
I will at least attempt to describe my highly euphoric, stimulated, long lasting, loving, sensual experience wth my various (at least 50+ by now) experiences. It is a lovely, lovely compound.
 
^how do we know u dont work for a vendor?

i have my doubts im sorry
 
ktx49 said:
^how do we know u dont work for a vendor?

i have my doubts im sorry
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A vendor? I wish, I spend part of my last 1 of two paychecks on a vendor which I will not even mention (different this time.)

Have you either been ripped off, don't know anything about "preparing" kratom, or are just a kid? No offense if I'm wrong. I just recently worked for a physical therapy and sports medicine company, and have studied psychedelic/physically acting stims/opiates/psychedelics/medical tinctures.

Otherwise, IM me. I am just a BLer with a girlfriend in a 2-flat appartement.
 
I will, thanks alot my friend.

By the way, if I were in public with you and you put one finger on me or my g/f...you would be a dead man.

You have no idea where I've trained, military or otherwise through out my life. I am adding my own experiences with this SINGLE compound, yet you bash me for no reason? I am not a vendor or whatever you claim. Although, I would love to see what happened if we met face to face "big man." hahahahhahh
 
rofl uve just confirmed everyones suspicions "VENDOR"

btw, thanks for the threatening PM it was the hardest ive laughed in weeks

LaughinFit said:
I love bluelight, but you are being a negative influence adn giving junk info to people. If we were in real life face to face, I would break you, and give you a whole variety of new joints in your arms and legs you bitch ass.
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The same question could be asked for MANY drugs. The DEA just doesn't seem to pursue certain substances. I guess they have more important things to worry about. They have no control over what's already supposed to be controlled so I guess expanding their list doesn't always help them.
 
I'm not a vendor, but have sure spent enough (waayyy too much) buying kratom from vendors over the last couple years. It can be good/potent stuff, but has an upper limit on effects that reminds me of a combined agonist-antagonist like buprenorphine.

If anything, that's its main shortcoming compared to "real" opiates, which just keep on scaling upward forever the more you use. With kratom, beyond a certain dosage is just ugly nausea, but it's pretty sweet in the correct range.

IMO the main reason there's so much disagreement about kratom is two-fold: (1) People with high opiate tolerance won't get much, for the aforementioned reasons, and (2) It takes practice to prepare it properly, without leaving a lot of the alkaloids behind in the plant matter.
 
ktx49 said:
rofl uve just confirmed everyones suspicions "VENDOR"

btw, thanks for the threatening PM it was the hardest ive laughed in weeks
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I would love to see a smile on your face in real life, let alone a laugh. If it weren't through PM or online, you would be in severe agony. I've been working as a bouncer at night and a security guard part-time during the day. If you knew any of my friends, they would tell you that after messing with me, pavement and blood would be your new best friend (and the dentist.)

PLEASE stop posting nonsense. I am not a vendor of kratom for god's sake. I would like to be, however! I spend a couple hundred on all different kinds of kratom (whole, crushed leaf, extract) and I am just posting about that. Oh, the irony of this e-world. Hope your done laughing pussy boy, karma will smack you like a brick in the face one day.
 
oOflyeyesOo said:
They probably dont think it is that bad of a threat yet, I mean only in the last couple years it has become very popular online, atleast I never heard that much about it before.
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It was sort of the holy grail in the entheo community till around 00 or 01 as no one in the market had access to the plant till then. It has quite literally exploded in popularity since then.

Garuda, if you think that PST isn't a serious opiate, you seriously underestimate it as I've found it to be capable of the same effects as strong prescription opiates. There is even a case of a death from overdose of PST.

Kratom is , from my experience, quite a pleasant and intense high unless one does too much then it's really nauseating. Kratom is very opiate like.
 
Because so many vendors are bunk.

I had a one time vendor dose me once my first time good, and my second dose from them, one week later (i.e. not tolerance) was bunk.
 
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