Why isn't Ecstasy legal?

[Dahli]

Any sort of legal option would be nice...

But maybe instead of a pass/fail test, instituting a drug safety class with a test, a lot like a food handler's permit, might be an interesting idea. You'd go to a class and they'd go through all of the controlled drugs (add in cigarettes and alcohol,) go over the basics, the dangers, signs of addiction, where to get help and at the end you take an easy to pass, everything-was-covered-in-the-lecture type test and get a Drug User Permit. This permit would be needed to buy these controlled drugs from any seller, but not for alcohol or cigarettes. And you have to go back every 4 years to get it renewed. Maybe even throw in a nasty fee ($50-100) just to make it worth it for the government.

Actually, that sounds like a pretty good idea. You got education, proof that you learned it (test), resources for help, a check-up to make sure people are still current on their knowledge and some money for your state.

 

[Sentience]

It seems we have this notion in America that even a recreational drug user is hurting everyone around them somehow, especially society. I've heard people argue that buying drugs encourages crime. No, making drugs illegal encourages crime. Drug makers/pushers having to hire security to keep their product safe, which means hiring violence and forming gangs. I think if penalties weren't so harsh makers/pushers/trafficers/users wouldn't have to resort to violence to get their drug of choice.

The problem with making it totally legal though is that it will move into the government's hands to determine how to administer the drugs and how to tax them, which means it would be much much harder for us end users to get. In the end, I think that would be in the government's best interests: Less drug users since they can't obtain them, yet more money for those willing to pay.

As for our interests... I don't ever think we'll see a world where MDMA will be sold at clubs, but if they made the penalties not so harsh, that'd probably work best for us. *shrug*

Absolutely. That is why decriminazliation is better than legalization, depending on the drug.



I mean, for marijuana which anyone can grow, decriminalization is BETTER for recreational users while legalization is better for medical users....Think about tobacco. Its "legal" right? Can you grow it in your back yard and sell it to a tobacco shop? You better not let them catch you. The government totally runs the show.

Think you can distill your own alcohol? Admittedly you can hurt people if you dont know what you are doing, but the VERY expensive licenses required is not about proving you are competent or your equipment is sanitary, its about pushing out competition....government favoring large industry over small business, squashing the middle class.

 

[kayenta]

I believe the people that would need drugs licenses would be the users. Prove that they understand the positive and negative effects of the drug in order to obtain a license. If they destroy their lives with said drug well.. you warned 'em right? =P

Why the hell should you need someone's permission to take drugs? The idea of a licensing system is only slightly less repressive than what we have now.

Drugs should be sold in pure form discreetly but freely to anyone over 18.

 

[Sentience]

Why the hell should you need someone's permission to take drugs? The idea of a licensing system is only slightly less repressive than what we have now.

Drugs should be sold in pure form discreetly but freely to anyone over 18.

I agree that users should not have to go through red tape to get their drug of choice, but maybe it would make sense if some drugs have to be administered by a pharmacist or apothecary, which of course takes some training.

 

[TearItDown]

There is no sort of test/exam to abuse tobacco products and alcohol to your grave. Why should MDMA have one? If you want to know the risks involved you should do your own research. If MDMA becomes a legal, regulated drug, then it will surely have some sort of warning label. Something along the lines of: Government Warning: According to the Surgeon General, consumption of MDMA may impair your ability to drive or operate a car, operate machinery, and may cause health problems.

 

[Sentience]

MDMA is a little more dangerous than alcohol. Alcohol kills more people, but not against the number of users....and I am not talking about car accidents, but the number of fatal alcohol syndromes is less than the number of people who experience dehydration and hperthermia or high BP on MDMA.

The user shouldnt have to go to college to use drugs, but the person selling it should know everything needed about drug interactions, like MAOIs or use of other drugs.....They should not be selling people fatal combinations or dosages that are way too high....basic stuff, like how a bartender will cut you off after a certain point.

If you are 5'11 and weigh 65 pounds and are going into convulsions, its time to call for help. Most users are more responsible than that though, but a few might need some intervention....not prison intervention, but some detox and life support.

 

[augustaB]

I can't really believe this:

Alcohol kills more people, but not against the number of users....and I am not talking about car accidents, but the number of fatal alcohol syndromes is less than the number of people who experience dehydration and hperthermia or high BP on MDMA.

I guess you never tried walking round in the average English town centre on a Saturday night.
The streets are littered with broken glass. You will see people in a semi-comatose state sitting in their own urine. Others staggering from door. People bleeding from wounds incurred during fist fights. Pools of vomit and a desperate sprinkling of police and emergency service workers trying to keep minimize the damage. Alcohol is safer? You've got to be joking.

 

[Woodrowbt]

MDMA is a little more dangerous than alcohol. Alcohol kills more people, but not against the number of users....and I am not talking about car accidents, but the number of fatal alcohol syndromes is less than the number of people who experience dehydration and hperthermia or high BP on MDMA.

The user shouldnt have to go to college to use drugs, but the person selling it should know everything needed about drug interactions, like MAOIs or use of other drugs.....They should not be selling people fatal combinations or dosages that are way too high....basic stuff, like how a bartender will cut you off after a certain point.

If you are 5'11 and weigh 65 pounds and are going into convulsions, its time to call for help. Most users are more responsible than that though, but a few might need some intervention....not prison intervention, but some detox and life support.

I;ve never had a bartender cut me off... they dont care

 

[gardener]

http://www.tdpf.org.uk/

They have produced an excellent blueprint for a post drug prohibition world. I suggest anyone interested in the subject reads it.

 

[Bearlove]

Same as the coffee shops in Amsterdam ! Certain outlets are legally able to sell x product - you go there buy your drugs and go on with your day.

Clubs / venues already have to apply for a licence to sell alcohol on the premises / same would apply for MDMA if it was legal.

 

[TearItDown]

MDMA is a little more dangerous than alcohol. Alcohol kills more people, but not against the number of users....and I am not talking about car accidents, but the number of fatal alcohol syndromes is less than the number of people who experience dehydration and hperthermia or high BP on MDMA.

The user shouldnt have to go to college to use drugs, but the person selling it should know everything needed about drug interactions, like MAOIs or use of other drugs.....They should not be selling people fatal combinations or dosages that are way too high....basic stuff, like how a bartender will cut you off after a certain point.

If you are 5'11 and weigh 65 pounds and are going into convulsions, its time to call for help. Most users are more responsible than that though, but a few might need some intervention....not prison intervention, but some detox and life support.

A little more dangerous? The UK figures suggest seven ecstasy-related deaths per million users. This compares to 625 alcohol-related deaths per million drinkers. What were you saying again?

 

[trancerage]

A little more dangerous? The UK figures suggest seven ecstasy-related deaths per million users. This compares to 625 alcohol-related deaths per million drinkers. What were you saying again?

not to mention that alcoholisim is far worst than adicction to MDMA (if theres any such of addiction)...

 

[bagman2389]

i agree compltley with alcohol being a terrible addiction but there are different ways of looking at addiction. is requiring MDMA to be social an addiction. It may not present the classic life destroying affects of a standard addiction but surely this is just another form of addiction.

 

[pillpopper805]

do you think ecstasy should be made legal

or do you think its a lil to dangerous to be legal.
im kind of on the fence cuz it only affects you in a positive way and can help you be better socially but you can seriously hurt yourself if not careful

 

[No Consequence]

There are some people who can be affected by it negatively, actually. Depending on if something happens that day or during the roll..
I don't ever want to see this drug legal lol.
There's already way too much abuse.

 

[LonE1]

MDMA is extremely horrible for the brain and body, so I dont think legalization would be as logical as say....marijuana

Yet, it would cut down on violence an drug trades, but theres so many other drugs that it wouldn't make much a difference.

So no i dont think it should be.

 

[jakeonthecob123]

no...it's not for the weak

 

[nanchan]

No. I know a LOT of people who have serious problems with self control with smaller things and I don't think they would be able to control their use.

 

[PryingOpenMy3rdEye]

Of course it should be legal. Why should the government regulate our personal behavior? The only damage MDMA does is to yourself. How many people have you seen get violent or get in a car crash from using too much MDMA? Why should we pay our tax dollars to house non-violent MDMA users in prisons with hardened sociopaths? I can 100% guarantee if MDMA switched places with alcohol the crime rate would significantly go down. Plus, making MDMA legal for responsible adults would actually cut back on a lot of the harm because most of the harm comes from street cocktail pills cut with many other dangerous substances. How many people die off straight pure MDMA? If the world used MDMA once in a while it would be a better place.

 

[No Consequence]

Of course it should be legal. Why should the government regulate our personal behavior? The only damage MDMA does is to yourself. How many people have you seen get violent or get in a car crash from using too much MDMA? Why should we pay our tax dollars to house non-violent MDMA users in prisons with hardened sociopaths? Plus, making MDMA legal for responsible adults would actually cut back on a lot of the harm because most of the harm comes from street cocktail pills cut with many other dangerous substances. How many people die off straight pure MDMA? If the world used MDMA once in a while it would be a better place.

If it was legal, there would prob be way more abuse than 'moderate use a few times a year'.
and we might not see car crashes from people using MDMA because less than 1% of the population uses it... (Just a random percent to prove my point)
If it was legal I'm sure way more people would be driving on it.
I know many people who don't do drugs for the sole reason that they're illegal. Meaning many more people who be going crazy with it if it were legal.