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Why is "speedballing" dangerous

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ExSaint1379

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A few times, I've taken Oxycodone and Cocaine or MS Contin and Cocaine, and it has the greatest euphoria to it, but I keep seeing posts saying it's very dangerous. I always took a lower dosage of both, so I'd say I was always pretty cautious. The reason I'm asking is that the danger I always see posted over the internet is that you can over dose on heroin and not know it until later. Too me that sounds as if it's exactly as dangerous as heroin. So I'm asking why is it more dangerous than doing either cocaine or heroin by themselves?

(If this belongs in the "Other Drugs section" please just move it. I couldn't decide which to post it in).
 
The reason it's dangerous is because if you take too much of one of the drugs, when the other wears off, you could overdose.

Lets say you take too much heroin, the cocaine is the only thing keeping you alive, and once the coke wears off you die of respiratory depression.
 
But, but that means it's exactly as dangerous as heroin (or whatever opiate/opioid you chose to take). I mean, I know opioids are dangerous.

Wait so if you over dose on heroin and continued taking coke regularly through the trip, you'd live? I'm gonna start keep coke around when I do opioids (I highly doubt that's the case).
 
The duration of heroin is longer than that of cocaine, so when the cocaine wears off, CNS depression sets in along with the strain that the cocaine put on your cardiovascular system, so it makes your heart stop.
 
Dunno, always something I've wanted to try out - coke & heroin together only cos Anthony Kiedis talked about it so highly in Scar Tissue...
He's what made me wanna try it anyway..

Bad stuff...

Google. Read reports on what others have done - if youre going to do it, have someone with you who's straight and can help you out if needed. Maybe have a shot of narcan handy too?
 
I'm not doctor but it seems to me like the 2 drugs together would send mixed signals to your heart, which couldn't be good & that's common sense obviously. Also oxycodone or heroin & coke are both very strong drugs in the groups they belong to (opiates & amphetamines). It's a lot different from mixing say, codeine with caffeine. We're talking oxycodone + coke here.

I wouldn't say that's a great idea, but that's none of my business. Best advice I could give is just go low on both. You'd definitely be entering danger zone if you started gettin crazy dose-wise with either one.
 
Always a good idea.. they should mail the things out. Imagine how many lives would be saved. I read that there was a country giving narcan shots out at needle exchanges as well.. Apparently worked a treat..
 
If I were trying to get high, I don't see why someone wouldn't just pick 1 drug & roll with that. You can feel great off opiates alone or amphets alone.

Maybe the euphoria from mixing both is better, I don't know. To me though it just seems like the risks involved would outweigh any good that could come from it.
 
Valley88 said:
I'm not doctor but it seems to me like the 2 drugs together would send mixed signals to your heart, which couldn't be good & that's common sense obviously. Also oxycodone or heroin & coke are both very strong drugs in the groups they belong to (opiates & amphetamines). It's a lot different from mixing say, codeine with caffeine. We're talking oxycodone + coke here.

I wouldn't say that's a great idea, but that's none of my business. Best advice I could give is just go low on both. You'd definitely be entering danger zone if you started gettin crazy dose-wise with either one.
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This is a myth, they don't actually send mixed signals to your heart. Your brain basically balances it out on its own, but once the stimulant wears off there's nothing keeping your breathing/heart rate balanced.
 
I've mixed OC and coke and MS Contin and coke. I think OC and coke 3 times and I only did the MS Contin and Coke once. I still don't see why this would be any more dangerous than just the straight opioid. People who die from it, overdose and just don't know it until the coke wears off. That sounds to me like that would've overdosed anyways if they just had heroin.
 
First off, cocaine is not an amphetamine.

Speedballing is dangerous because the heroin and cocaine synergize and potentiate each other.

So when mixing those drugs, it requires a smaller ammount of each drug than if you would do each drug alone, for a given effect, thats how most people die.

Thats how Layne Staley (Alice in Chains) died, he was found half decomposed, like a couple weeks after dying.
 
Well, whatever the chemistry / biology or what have you behind it is, I don't see why a person wouldn't just want to get high off a single drug alone. Drugs like heroin, oxy, cocaine, etc. are plenty strong enough to do the job itself. Like I said I'm not a doctor, but I know mixing both can't be any healthier for you than just doing one. I guess a lot of people just like to experiment and/or enjoy chasing some sort of bigger high.
 
Most posts that mention speedballing as dangerous is when they are referring to the combination of IV Heroin and Cocaine and the reason why that is dangerous is because you need to know your exact tolerance to both drugs and its hard to follow up when different batches of both drugs are around with different potency. If a batch of Heroin and Cocaine come around much more potent than what you have been using for the last few weeks and then combine them...BAM! You may get very high or possibly OD. Also you need to be real careful, don't just shoot some random dope and coke with little idea of your tolerance.
 
Well this isn't exactly rocket science.......upper + downer = lots of strain on your heart = possible cardiac arrest, tachycardia

Also what everyone else mentioned.
 
cocaine causes vasoconstriction and raises your heart rate, dope causes respiratory depression. the combo can lead to bad effects if either drug is overdone, and it seems people think more of one balances out if you add more of the other
 
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