Why is MDMA much less mentally addictive than meth, d-amp, and etc.?

[JackiesBabyy]

I've never had it so I can't say, but, many claim that MDMA causes the strongest euphoria out of all drugs. So, what stops you from craving more and more when the high wears off? Closest thing I've had to MDMA was 4-FA, a stimulant that releases a lot more serotonin than d-amp but less than MDMA, and I found that VERY reinforcing.

 

[mdm]

I never tried meth , but im pretty sure that some high quality meth causes one of the strongest euphoria ..

 

[Folley]

I never tried meth , but im pretty sure that some high quality meth causes one of the strongest euphoria ..

mmmm... that thick cloud of smoke that rises as those rocky chunks melt into the most beautiful solution of melted crystals....

Shit, it probably gives the most euphoria... but it's also literally the most addictive drug known to man. One hit. That's all it takes to have to staying up for three days strung out on a gram of meth swatting at the Shadow Flies buzzing around your head as a man in a Top Hat watches you from across the room....

Just say no kiddos.



As for WHY, dopmine is the pleasure center of the brain, and it is used to reinforce positive actions we take in our day to day lives. Meth and other stimulants releases dopamine at alarming rates, overloading the pleasure center of the brain... it honestly feels like the biggest accomplishment of your life, just in you moving the pipe to your lips, and all you want is more of that feeling... that what your wired to think. But then, after, when you would normally be feeling proud of yourself, you will just feel empty and sad because you've used up all your dopamine... It's just a BAD drug.



MDMA releases much more serotonin than dopamine, so while it can be addictive in some individuals, most people can get away with little cravings for the drug. Also, the nature of MDMA means that you can't use it for days on end like you can with meth... you just won't be able to keep your high up for that long, so people are much more willing to take longer breaks for a better high

 

[JackiesBabyy]

I never tried meth , but im pretty sure that some high quality meth causes one of the strongest euphoria ..

Empathogenic euphoria and meth euphoria are two different things haha

Believe me I know what stimulant addiction is like, I'm fighting it (well, not fighting, just kind of accepting) right now. I'm asking about MDMA and reinforcement. Although 2-FMA/4-FA are weaker than meth and I only use them orally.

 

[patra]

From Wikipedia: "Drugs such as amphetamines (including methamphetamine and methylenedioxymethylamphetamine (MDMA)), cocaine, cathinone, hallucinogens (such as LSD, psilocin, and mescaline), cannabis (tetrahydrocannabinol) do not cause physical dependency/physical addiction, but range from extremely psychologically addictive (cocaine and methamphetamine) to mildly psychologically addictive (MDMA)."

Some substances simply don't cause physical dependency. Not all drugs are alike, and physical dependency or addiction isn't always dependent on the "type" of euphoria or high you experience.

You can be psychologically addicted to anything, in theory.

 

[patra]

Oh, and to expand on that ... I think that it's hard to lay down a blanket statement such as MDMA is much less "mentally addictive" than other drugs - it's comparing apples to oranges, and psychological (or mental as you refer to it) addiction depends a LOT on the traits specific to the user. A lot of BL users have bad stories about years-long comedowns or prior psychological addiction to the drug, or abuse. Maybe people who have a tendency to use drugs that are more physically addictive than MDMA don't have generally risk-adverse personalities. That's just speculation though....

 

[Folley]

I wouldn't say that MDMA is mildly addictive... in some cases people go through grams every weekend. We all know, or have been, the E Tard who takes pills way too often... and it's getting even more common. People don't even realize it could be a bad thing to roll 2 days in a row, they just do it. People like what feels good, and MDMA feels GREAT, so naturally people want to do it often

It's just less addictive than it's big brother, methamphetamine.

 

[JackiesBabyy]

I wouldn't say that MDMA is mildly addictive... in some cases people go through grams every weekend. We all know, or have been, the E Tard who takes pills way too often... and it's getting even more common. People don't even realize it could be a bad thing to roll 2 days in a row, they just do it. People like what feels good, and MDMA feels GREAT, so naturally people want to do it often

It's just less addictive than it's big brother, methamphetamine.

Technically little brother, since MDMA is just methamp with some methylenedioxy on top.

 

[PlurPsyed]

I've thought about it many times. I think it's because mdma isn't really something you'd wanna take to help you function in every day life.

 

[JackiesBabyy]

I've thought about it many times. I think it's because mdma isn't really something you'd wanna take to help you function in every day life.

True, but neither are opiates or benzos if you're not in pain or anxious. Yes those are physically addictive too BUT lots of people get mentally addicted like hell to opiates for their euphoria and benzos for their "I don't give a fuck" feeling.

 

[Folley]

Technically little brother, since MDMA is just methamp with some methylenedioxy on top.

Well Meth was born first

I never said they got it right the first time though, I much prefer the second.



I can tell you first hand though that opiates have almost no mental addiction compared to even adderall or fucking ritalin... for myself, at the least.
I've recently started dabbling in Oxycontin, and I can go on a binge for 3 days then just completely forget about it for the next 2 weeks. There is like, no craving for it... I might want to do it if I have it, but if I don't then it's never on my mind

Meth though? I smoked that shit for the first time, and it was all I could think about for the next week. With stimulants, they just make you crave them 24/7, and eventually you think you need them to function properly (that called addiction and withdrawal). I'm soooooo glad I got away from them while I did


Thank God for LSD
Non-addictive.
Non-toxic.
All-enlightening.

 

[OxycoDrone]

^ Don't say it like that dude. Opiates are VERY addictive, mentally and physically. Just 'cos you personally crave stims more than opiates/downers doesn't mean that it's objectively the case. After my first hit of Oxy I was "addicted" .. not physically, or even mentally, technically ... but I knew that it was what I'd been searching for all these years and that I would do it every time I could.

Anyway, I know what you're trying to say but the wording is dangerous bro.

 

[Clocktower]

many claim that MDMA causes the strongest euphoria out of all drugs.

This is pretty subjective and debatable. I've heard many make the same claim about other drugs, like 6-APB or heroin.

So, what stops you from craving more and more when the high wears off?

Psychologically, nothing in particular. Some people do crave more and wind up taking too much. For most BL'ers, I'd guess it's the knowledge that taking MDMA daily or weekly can be a quick ticket to long-term brain damage. If you'reprone to addiction or sometimes find that you CANNOT stop yourself from taking drugs, no matter the consequences, then MDMA might not be for you.

 

[x2molly2amped]

MDMA releases much more serotonin than dopamine, so while it can be addictive in some individuals, most people can get away with little cravings for the drug. Also, the nature of MDMA means that you can't use it for days on end like you can with meth... you just won't be able to keep your high up for that long, so people are much more willing to take longer breaks for a better high

I disagree. You can use MDMA for days on end...if you know how to dose properly. I did it all day, every day for about 9 months straight. First dose right when I woke up in the morning, re-dosed about every 3 or 4 hours, and last dose no later than about 6pm. That way I could still sleep at night, wake up and do it all over again. On the weekends during that time, I took more and stayed up all weekend usually. Of course, I would NOT recommend this for ANYONE. And I had to stop once the bleeding in my brain started and was leaking out my ears. It was extrememly hard to quit.

 

[x2molly2amped]

I've thought about it many times. I think it's because mdma isn't really something you'd wanna take to help you function in every day life.

I have to disagree with this statement personally. I couldn't seem to get through one day without it for the whole 9 months that I was using. And when I quit, I spent 4 days in a detox program just sleeping and not being able to even really walk around or eat or anything really.

 

[x2molly2amped]

I would just like to add that addiction is a disease. Mentally and physically. People can become addicted to anything and everything. Most people who struggle with addiction may quit one addiction only to move on to another.
I do not believe that any one person can decide what substance, or activity or whatever really, is more addicting than another.
Everyone is very different as far as what is more addicting to them personally. Most people have their "drug of choice" that is their favorite addiction.
I have been through many different periods of being addicted to many different things. But I believe I will always choose MDMA as my drug of choice.

 

[Folley]

I also fought off ecstasy addiction, but it was nothing compared to what smoked methamphetamine did to me...

I used ecstasy weekly, sometimes twice a week, for about 8 months. Sometime I would use back to back, but the effects would be almost all dopamine and no serotonin. The normal love would fade and I'd be stuck with some residual stimulation... with meth that's not really the case. I used it for days on end, and still get enjoyable effects on the third day


MDMA is certainly my DOC, but meth just makes me lose all sense of harm reduction and I turn into a damn fiend after one hit.



Ecstasy can be very addictive... your right, it was in myself as well. But compared to smoked meth it was just nothing... hell, oral meth cravings/addiction can't even compare to when you smoke it. It turns into a whole other beast once it melts down in that puddle

 

[Folley]

I only used methamphetamine just a few times.


Still, I'll admit that even now if I picture in my mind that white vapor swirling inside that bulb, I can feel what I think is a small dopamine rush, it is scary how easily meth can capture a person.

Ditto. SO FUCKING MUCH.


I only smoked meth once, although I had snorted and taken it orally in pills many times before. From the first hit, I needed more... and yeah, your right, it comes from somewhere deep inside of you... and it's not a good place. I binged for 3 days on meth, even smoking it before school

I still randomly crave it sometimes, 5 months later


and yeah, you get that picture in your head and you can almost taste that vapor.. and you feel those tingles... then you crave them like some damn coco puffs

 

[PinK~cloud]

I think the point about many BLers knowing the dangers of compulsively redosing MDMA is very true. With dAmp I could never say no, and I took it on a daily basis for a couple years. With MDMA however, I KNOW that I have to wait at least a week until I can do it again (I should probably wait longer, I know)
Then again, I haven't been doing MDMA long, so who knows.

 

[Newbierock]

Probably has to do with the fact that when it hits 5 am and everyones coming down and all spaced out. Yeah you can take more md, eat a thousand grams. But you ain't getting a proper buzz back until you've chilled out for a bit.

I Used to smash silly amounts of pills for extended periods, and I can honestly tell you that grim spaced out "i've been rollin for 2 days maaan" feeling isn't fun.

Never done or been near meth myself, I imagine it works like plain old amphetamine - no matter how long you've been goin, eat some more and you will feel good.

thats my take on it anyway >.>