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Why is MDMA illegal? Opinions plz

I think the idea that there is a conspiracy gives too much credit to the government.

Liric wrote: "Anyhow, ecstacy is illegal, I believe, because the establishment saw the 60s reocurring." This assumes that the establishment shares our view of what taking ecstasy is like. I don't think they do. I don't think there are a bunch of politicians in rooms, talking about how everyone gets loved-up at raves, and how they have to stop it. I think instead that they see it as a drug with some effects that users desire (euphoria, energy) and many more negative effects, and which should be banned from the latter.

There's a problem with arguing that MDMA was banned because they feared the social consequences of a large number of people using it: MDMA was banned in many countries in the 1970s - way before it became popular (even in the US it was banned in the mid-1980s, and not many people were taking it then).

This also doesn't account for why coke and heroin are illegal - no chance of a politically threatening mass movement there ;)

Overall, I don't think politicians are smart enough to make the connections that Liric suggests. I do think they're capable of saying "OMG someone OD'd on this drug, we'd better make sure it stays illegal". (And I've got some personal experience of how politicians think and discuss these issues).
 
Onlywhen the drug is prohibited tho. There are countless heroin addicts who were addicted to opiates after being wounded in the war. They get their heroin prescribed from the doctor and lead totally healthy, fulfilling lives. Being a heroin addict would cause no more problem than being a diabetic as long as you had access to a regular supply of pure heroin. It's not the drug - it's the fact that it's illegal that's the problem. Make athritis drugs illegal and you'll have thousands of pensioners robbing your car trying to get money to afford them on the black market.

Being addicted to black market heroin being sold at black market prices is the only thing that may damage society because addicts need to devote their entire lives to scoring their next fix.
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I don't claim to know much about the economic side of things but wouldn't legalised heroin nowadays cost more than the black market version? i can't see the base cost being much less and when you factor in tax (and there would be lots of it)...I would guess a heroin habit regardless of the legal status would be pretty expensive. Another point is that an average heroin addict probably won't function as well in society as a normal person, now i know someone will refute this but i stand by it - I’m not saying a heroin addict can't function in society and i'm not saying some addicts can't function fine, i'm saying that on average they will function less. Also note that heroin was just an example i gave and that this is not really related to the topic ;)

Like I said, conspiracy implies that the perpetrator is fully aware of the motivations and consequences of his actions. The point is that it is not usually so black and white. People act unconciously on a regular basis and are often motivated by desires and needs which they will not readily admit to themselves. The extreme case would be a psychotic murderer who is able to convince himself that his actions are not wrongful by some twisted rationale. I believe the same thing happens on a government/population level, wherein a collective might adopt certain methods or ideals on the premise that they are doing right when they are motivated more by greed or weakness. I would note the US government, and most of the population as well, as groups which probably self-decieve in this way on a regular basis.
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i can't really disagree with you there.
 
Neurotoxicity, detraction of the profit from legal recreational drugs, addiction potential, a lot of propaganda and lack of knowledge...
 
I personally think it should be illegal.

Most of the 'E' takers around here have such a lack of knowledge of the power/bad things that could happen about the drug. So making a drug like this legal could be potentially dangerous.
 
Kurv. said:
e is such a mild trip tho... cant wait for a chemist to come up with "super e" . 10x more potent no comedowns and no tolerance :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Im with you there lol
 
dxm said:
I personally think it should be illegal.

Most of the 'E' takers around here have such a lack of knowledge of the power/bad things that could happen about the drug. So making a drug like this legal could be potentially dangerous.
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yea...because having mdma stay illegal makes it so much harder to obtain...

...not to mention the fact that having mdma stay illegal means that you have to put heavily adulterated pills in your body to get high...

oh...to the OP...the simple reason why ecstasy is illegal is it's ABUSE POTENTIAL
 
The body could undergo regular use of heroin with no more health consequence than diabetics using insulin?

Yeah, pure heroin is one of the most benign drugs known to man. It's about as harmless as a drug can get. You could take it every day for the rest of your life and the only side-effects would be constipation. Certainly not going to ravage your body like alcohol would.
 
Most of the 'E' takers around here have such a lack of knowledge of the power/bad things that could happen about the drug. So making a drug like this legal could be potentially dangerous.

Any activity is potentially dangerous tho isn't it. Would you ban cars because some people lack the knowledge to cross the road safely?
 
Originally Posted by Amberthefrog
Is it? More so than alcohol? The direct effects of alcohol are very clear on society (at least here in the UK), the amount of social damage - violence, crime, addiction - that alcohol causes is light-years beyond that of MDMA which causes next to no violence, less addiction (and addiction that does occur will not directly have a repercussion on society, at least not to the extent of alcoholism) and miles less crime (obviously excluding the crime relating to possessing the MDMA itself...) Far far more people die from alcohol, in fact i think the current UK stats. show that an average alcohol consumer is 10-30 times more likely to die as a result than the avergae escatsy consumer is. (Note the word ecstasy, i.e. impure pills which most certainly cause a lot more damage than MDMA).

The main thing with the above is that, IMO in the Uk at least the public *know* that alcohol causes more damage than MDMA, this has been made clear by the growing social problem of binge drinking here. It seems to me that MDMA will get off more lightly on our side of the pond in years to come, after all the current conservative party leader believes it should be downgraded .
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I meant the damage each drug caused to my physical and mental health, i wasnt taking into account the impact on society, although that is a very valid point, i was just talking from my experience. Personally i think MDMA should be illegal simply because, like i said, most people cant and wont use it responsibly. Thats just my opinion, and yes i know people abuse alcohol, but i see people jump into regular ecstasy use alot quiker than people suddenly becoming alcoholics.

Also, what happens when there is just as many people that are skattered and depressed after the weekend from partying on e as there are hungover people at work on monday.
 
Personally i think MDMA should be illegal simply because, like i said, most people cant and wont use it responsibly.

Isn't freedom having the choice to behave irresponsibly tho? I mean as long as they don't hurt anyone else what right does anyone have to decide what someone takes into their body? Are we that uptight as a society that we need to control how someone behaves even when they're alone in their own living room?
 
Ismene said:
Isn't freedom having the choice to behave irresponsibly tho? I mean as long as they don't hurt anyone else what right does anyone have to decide what someone takes into their body? Are we that uptight as a society that we need to control how someone behaves even when they're alone in their own living room?
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Good point.

The main problem with legalising for recreational use is that its use is very likely to get out of hand, wheras with alcohol, i guess since its been around for a hell of a long time, most people know how to use it responsibly (note: most). I guess as long as people are educated about responsible use of MDMA, and some sort of sytem is set up to stop abuse, it could be made legal for recreational use. I would love to be able to buy pills and know for certain that im getting clean MDMA pills, instead of the speedy pills that seem to be dominating the market right now. (i shudder every time i hear my friends say "Yea they're really good pills, they're heaps chargy" :p )

Personally i think it should be made legal for medical use (eg. for Post Traumatic Stress), i think its ridiculous it isn't already.
 
ifonly said:
bluenakedlady while i agree with your statements about how life should be lived to enjoy and have fun not to be simply rich and successful, this revelation doesnt always coem from E. although it does in many cases, i myself worked that out before i ever dropped. dropping just strengthened the notion a lot.

apart from this however, i dont think thats why its illegal. theres no big conspiracy to make everyone unhappy, its just an unfortunate circumstance. mdma is illegal because of its potential for abuse and hence neurotoxicity.

i believe that there should be a new class of drugs which are recreational yet perscribed by a doctor. basically you have to prove that you can be a responsible user etc, and then u can go out and use these drugs for fun. mdma would be in this class.
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thats last paragraph.. holy hell! i think u should become president.. or something! i think i love u! haha j/p.. but i do really like that idea.. never thought of it that way b4... but now that the idea has been across my mind.. i think i might adopt that philosophy! ((if ya dont mind)) damn! im amazed at that! wohooooooooooooo! youve got my vote for w.e. u run for buddy! FUR SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!=D
 
BlueNakedLady said:
What do you guys think are the reasons why mdma is illegal? I hope to get a lot of your opionions on this because I don't think its illegal just because it has no use to society or because of its toxic or the damages it makes to our body or mind, physically. We all know what the media says about mdma because if you ever ask anyone who hasnt done it, they will probablly refuse immedietly because the media only tells you the bad side of the drug and not the good side.

What I think is a reason why its illegal is because the government/ people who control or maintan America, dont want us to find the true meaning of life and to enjoy it to the fullest. As a child we were brainwashed and taught that we have to do really well at school and school is the most important thing. This is how I was back then but after I started dropping I found out what life really is and lifes not all about being successful and money like my parents used to tell me. So I think the government wants us to keep working hard to keep the U.S being the supercontinent or economy or whatever, so if we all drop E, most would find that working and being successful is not the most important thing, but being happy and having fun is much better way to live cause we only live once so why not enjoy.
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MDMA and (most) other narcotics are illiegal for mainly one reason : TASTE.
The powers that be, find the substance, and the idea of using said substance, DISTASTEFUL. Then inforce that opionion upon the masses.

It (the law) does fuck me off, but at the end of the day it never stops me doing drugs in any way,shape or form. Even if the law were to change my use of ecstacy would not.
Interestingly though, here in the UK there has been a lot of talk amongst campainers and polititions alike of ecstacy being downgraded to a class C drug (same as cannabiss and benzo's).
Personnally, i would rather see the time,money and effort put into the legalisation of harder drugs I.e heroin - as i think individuals, their familys and society in general would benefit far more if these drugs were at least legally PRESCRIBED to addicts.
People don't rob and fuck people over for weed/pills.
Anyways, that my two'penneth!..
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Haha cuteeeeeee
The reason is simple. The government sees us being really happy and having fun then they get jealous cause there lame... so what do they do? they take our happy candy away.
 
I think the main reason is government's dont want to spend money on controlling drugs. It takes a lot of funding to educate the public on how to use MDMA etc. responsibly and to set up clinics for those who abuse it. Its understandable why countries (esp. less affluent ones) can't legalize it as there as more pressing issues to deal with than helping you 'find yourself'. Maybe in a utopian society, it will be legalized.
 
honestly i dont believe it should be totally legal, but i believe its schedule status should be changed to reflect its beneficial use in therapy (namely for PTSD)
 
you have to also ask yourself why any drugs are illegal and not just controlled to begin with. I personally believe there is far too much $$$ to be made in illegal trade for drugs illegal drugs to just be legalized and taxed.

This gives our govt (CIA / NSA / DEA) the ability to utilize illicit funds with no paper trail for their own purposes, be it to fund a foreign dictator that the U.S. wants in power, or even to use drug proceeds to supply arms to any resistance movements / leaders, whatever.

I truly believe this one big reason that we keep certain drugs illegal. Corruption lies at the highest levels also. Why do you think major drug bosses rarely get taken down? Besides the fact that they put many layers between themselves and the street / dirty money??? Because in the upper echelon of any govt agency, I guarantee you there is an inside person cutting deals with said drug lord.

Drug boss throws a nice bust the agency's way every now and then, and the govt keeps the heat on the kingpin at a minumum. The kingpin loses a load here and there, the govt agency maintains justification for their existence and it appears they're doing a good job, everybody wins.:\ Everybody except the casual user on the street who has to stress about possession charges.8)

I personally am tired of looking in my rear view mirror...lol.
 
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