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why is ecstacy quality so bad in North America?

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based on this article Chinese gangs have taken over the market in Canada, cut out the Netherlands (where the real stuff is made), set up kitchens to make their own cheap knock offs, with any chemical but MDMA. Then all the crap is moved into the US where people pay $$ for a dangerous and disappointing experience. Now we know why US is flooded with pipes.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Ecstasy+trade+deadly+consequences/6833975/story.html
 
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The Sun is basically a right-wing tabloid. Blaming non-whites is typical of them. You should always get your pills tested unless you know and trust your source 100%.

I live in North America and have access to the best quality MDMA, and it's made here. Should I thank the Chinese for that as well?
 
There are several issues.

(1) LE in the States are hardcore. They do buy busts, they pay snitches, they do sentence deals. They are extremely pro active in the war on drugs.

(2) Punishment for manufacture or import is very severe.

(3) Pill presses are much easier to source so any wanna bee gansta can set up shop.

(4) Availability of RCs and law status has made it very attractive to press bunk pills.

(5) A lot of idiots dont know what good pills are so will tolleate bunk.

(6) Customs control is tight so import is tricky.


One thing I would say about the USA is I never understood why the Mexicans dont produce MDMA and import to USA. they do this with meth, coke and weed I wonder why not MDMA?

That has always puzzled me. Watch this space. Things may change. Why can the dutch nail the super pill but the Mexicans cant. there must be a reason perhaps it is a chicken feed market compared to meth, coke and weed.

I live in North America and have access to the best quality MDMA, and it's made here. Should I thank the Chinese for that as well?
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Every time I have been to USA past 2005 the pill quality has been total garbage.
 
Foriegner...they were not taking about the Chinese as a race, they were talking about the gangs. not sure where you live, but there hasn't been anything good in the NYC/North East area for a long time or most of US.. just look at pillreports.
 
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you make valid points futura.. but they still some how get the shit into the states. There are pills everywhere.. they are just all garbage. I always wondered about Mexico too.
 
There are pills made in Mexico, it's just a lot easier and more lucrative for them to make meth. Just cause you don't hear about it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen!


Dragonflys, KLMs, Pumas and a few other pills are all well known pills, made in Mexico and shipped here, that contain MDA and MDMA in larger than average amounts
 
Folley said:
Dragonflys, KLMs, Pumas and a few other pills are all well known pills, made in Mexico and shipped here, that contain MDA and MDMA in larger than average amounts
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Yay at Mexican drug lords doing something right
 
but they still some how get the shit into the states.
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I would be almost certain the garbage pills are either made in Mexico or USA. Cant see why anyone would bother importing 50% filler and air. Much easier to import the raw RCs and make them.

Also stuff like 5-Meo Dalt that you see a lot of in the USA garbage pills.

Heres what drives the temptation:

<No price discussion please, this includes precursors. Also, not hugely comfortable with going into that much detail about possible cuts/non-MDMA additives to pills on here>
 
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freehugs said:
Yay at Mexican drug lords doing something right
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Finally!


^ Shit dude, you just put up a guide on how to make bunk pills :(

But the Dragonflies and Pumas are found almost exclusively in Texas... from just random chatter, you can definitely infer they are coming over the border somewhere. The press has put out some bunk pills unfortunately, but for the most part they're consistently good.

Also, no one sells pills in Mexico... so for all we know all the pills are made down where the weather is hot, and they just import them all up to the US.
 
from reading the ecstasy forum it would appear that you yanks have the best stuff out atm (mints) it is highly debatable though...pretty sure there would be some european chemists laughing their asses off.

its like owsley different coloured barrels...purple real triply, yellow mellow, green obscene blah blah when its all the same shit haha just different heads...placebo perhaps?
 
futura nailed it.

lack of the precursors from DEA intervention prevents manufacture of MDMA. safrole is the main one which comes form the sassafras tree which is mainly located in thailand or something(futura correct me)

RCs are waaaaaay cheaper and waaaay easier to obtain so they basically have replaced MDMA.

what you get now is 4-fa, methylone, or mephedrone usually.
 
Guys, please be careful not to stray into synth discussion or to list prices. This thread's pretty borderline, but it's definitely a valid topic for discussion - let's keep it the right side of the rules please and remember we're a HR forum :)
 
lack of the precursors from DEA intervention prevents manufacture of MDMA. safrole is the main one which comes form the sassafras tree which is mainly located in thailand or something(futura correct me)
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You are right here homey so im not going to correct you just add a bit.

Sassafras trees can come from various places including America. Just dont get caught robbing bark or the Heat might question your motives.

Safrol can come from other sources as well as Sassafras Bark. Here is a book called the essential oils that explains more

http://www.4shared.com/folder/AcHdXivg/Labs__Precursors.html

Camphor is one source but look here to see what I mean

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/safrolefaq.html

MDMA doesnt always come from Safrol. Helional is one essential you can make MDA from and could synth MDMA from MDA. Transformer was also talking about a synthetic form of MD-P2P or similiar that is what produces the grey MDMA.

Safrol is harder for the DEA to control as its found from many sources and is easy to discuise under the cover of being an essential oil.

One of the bigger obstacles is Solvents such as DCM, Acetone, Nitro Methane, Toluene etc. DEA are on the look out for large orders. A couple of litres on ebay is of no major concern however if say on ebay you ordered sassafras bark, camphor, acetone, lye, DCM, toluene, distillation glassware, combined heater stirrer, pill press, PVA, dyes, Caffeine, manitol, and a copy of Strikes Book then I would not be surprised if ebay have a system to piece together these orders for suspicious and may report the DEA. It would of course be VERY VERY stupid to place an order on ebay of this kind.

What does amaze me however is you can order an entire drug laboritory on ebay from precursors, to glassware, to pill press to pressing agents. Its nuts really! I am sure the DEA are aware of this also. I would not be surprised if some of the ebay items via ebay are already watched.

Guys, please be careful not to stray into synth discussion or to list prices. This thread's pretty borderline, but it's definitely a valid topic for discussion - let's keep it the right side of the rules please and remember we're a HR forum
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Hello Effie sorry it wasnt a how to guide more a point really but I understand.
 
This is my first post , I know my postman would be a fed if I ordered an auto machine nut if it's just a couple dyes should I get gbr the package all g
 
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