ro4eva;11554805 said:
So you're saying that society will always need a human outlet to turn to (or to turn on) when they don't fully understand the origins of something "bad" which is affecting them?
Example - 1342 (the black death - God is punishing us for our sins), 1692 (Salem witch trials - children behaving badly), early 20th century (cannabis made illegal - allegedly, some dink killed his mother with an axe while baked), etc.
So in this case, heroin addicts deserve to die because they rob, cheat, steal, or lie (among other things) to get their fix (an opioid which is cut with impurities)?
^^ IMO, a stupid reason to condemn a person to death. People can be so cruel. A different breed of people, or so it seems. The same kind who yell to a person - who's considering suicide by falling to his/her death - to jump.
I think this scape goating thing was something Danielle Allen wrote about, framing it in terms of civil society in ancient Greece. It has to do with "justice," as vengeance, revenge cleansing, rejuvenation, etc, where one member of the community was stoned/more or less sacrificed so that civil society remained cohesive and strong in the face of those "bad" events (famine, natural disaster, etc - especially in cases where it's wasn't any individual doing anything specific to another, as in one person stealing from another).
Not saying we will always have to have scape goats, but in a "western democracy" civil society (the public) does need to remain cohesive in order for the society and it's systems/foundations/public works/laws/etc continue to function. Scape goats, in a very real way, have proven very good at bringing people together, most often in dark twisted ways. Scape goats are often part of a civil society's foundational myth, recreated over and over again as times change, generally according to those interests focused on maintaining "stability" and the status qua.
What other models or ways to go about this are out there? I don't know. I mention Are Prisons Obsolete? precisely because of this issue though (well and others): I might not know what that "ideal" or "better" society would be, but I am pretty damn sure that if we put more capital into education, healthcare, etc. etc. our society as a whole would become better off (and, as A. Davis argues in here book, the prison industrial complex would begin to crumble).
How we spend out money (of course this is from my perspective in the states), whether as a State or states or cities and towns (not to mention households!), says a lot about where we're headed (it doesn't look all that great imho, but it could certainly and has certainly been worse).
Then again, a better benchmark of a society is what it's like to become a ward/slave/whatever of that state. Something along the lines of that “The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons” quote...
My problem earlier with that post was when it says something like, "when people finally all realize that people who use X drug are human beings not unlike them"... I mean, duh. It wouldn't be a problem if people did that, certainly, but the question is more about how to cultivate such a more realistic/open-minded/empathetic paradigm in what I referred to earlier as "civil society."
If we focuses more resources on education, nutrition/health, healthcare, housing, technical training, etc, and less on making weapons, spying, as well as other more draconian and straw-man idiotic legislation and public policies, I imagine a more empathetic civil society would emerge.
How to keep society cohesive is still a big deal though. Older coercive/marginalizing (and the newer ones that act similarly) foundational myths still hold so much weight; new ones are hard to dream up without enough humane/material capital. But we will certainly need a new narrative to hold people together (I don't think the language of universal human rights/inherent dignity is so bad, but it's certainly faaaaaaaar from perfect).
So, again, I'm left thinking that if we spent more on productive, humane institutions/foundations/capital building/etc, we'd end up with a more productive, human society. Seems to work elsewhere, although it's certainly anything if not a constant struggle given self-interested and greedy folks (and competing narratives that are no less greedy)...
It's a lot like harm reduction actually.