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Why do we fear stimulants?

well yeah, i think that too, but it seems to me that it is only due to it just being "DO IT BETTER FASTER STRONGER HARDER MORE etc. whilst speeding". When i am speeding, i get tunnel vision almost like fuck and will do THE SAME thing for hours, and not realize it. It removes any distraction, but other than purely physical performance, i dont think it improves much. But most of my speed usage has been staying up all night and speeding, not at school. It also increased the confidence factor a lot too, which might actually improve performance in tasks. Damn, i want some speed just thinking about it. It truly is addictive shit. Fun, very much so thoug.
 
I'm scared of stimulants because too many times i've been up for 3 days straight not knowing what the fucks going on. >_<

Nothing beats 4 am playing some dump flash game on the internet and looking out the window every 6 seconds.

oh and shadow people..
 
Meth destroyed me before I even got close to half a gram habit. I do believe people who say they smoked a gram a day, but holy shit yo. I considered myself destroyed when I still consumed meth even though I didn't even get high anymore. Going to sleep like 3 hours after smoking meth for example... Or feeling almost nothing from lung-popping hits. I wasn't near the gram point neither.

But stimulants scare me because they turn me into a super self-destructive asshole. And I self-destruct by destroying friendships and job opportunities and girlfriend oppourtunities and stuff like that. And they're also scary 'cause (or perhaps mainly) because the tolerance builds super-duper fast.

That said, I'm checking my bank account everyday day. Come on tax return!! I'm terribly unstimulated.
 
Oh.. shadow people are scary. Shadow radio is like.. almost scary. 'Cause you're afraid they might start telling you to do things next. But, it's not scary, 'cuz once you start taking shadow radio seriously, then you're totally gone-off blackout psychotic so you don't have to feel scared no more.

Yeah. I need money dammit.
 
i love to take speed but only on a weekend and never in my own home.....i cant mix work and play. i cant take it to tidy up like so many i know do. i love to 'two day' it tho, and i drink a shit load of beer whilst whizzin my tits off. i chat endlessly about random shit and can produce some pretty awesome art work.

i used to get horrible come downs from it but i trained myself to believe its all in my head and i can get thru it pretty painlessly although mild anxiety does get to me a bit.
gotta say i love the drug....only thing i kinda dont like about it is i never lose weight and i cant stand the sight/smell/taste of it lol......i have to have it bombed up ready to take and spend the forst 10 mins trying not to puke it back up

edit: i just realised this was slightly off topic.....am i afraid of stims? no cos right now i take the drugs.....they dont take me! its all about the self control!
 
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Oh.. shadow people are scary. Shadow radio is like.. almost scary. 'Cause you're afraid they might start telling you to do things next. But, it's not scary, 'cuz once you start taking shadow radio seriously, then you're totally gone-off blackout psychotic so you don't have to feel scared no more.

Yeah. I need money dammit.


I'm changing my answer, ^ thats the reason right there. Thinking like that for 3 days is no fun.
 
i hate stimulatnts they make you anxious and you can fall asleep from them .. i prefeer heroin anyday
 
in a lot of ways I think it's actually the opposite of this. speed is one of the most acceptable drugs in our society, esp. considering how much it's prescribed to kids and adults alike. our culture promotes work and productivity, and tends to view sleep and idleness as wasteful. people who indulge in those activities are seen as lazy, worthless, unmotivated, etc. whereas speed heads and coke addicts end up making 7 figures on Wall St.

yeh. I 'm not scared of stimulants.
 
I managed to do about 4.5g of mephedrone in about 35 hours from Thursday around noon until the wee hours of Friday morning. Lots of fun!

Minimal comedown, but I did have lingering visual effects for a couple of days that worries me. Can't wait till next time!

That mephedrone was supposed to last a while but I managed to use it all in just a few days, mostly in that one binge, I'd like to get a few grams of methylone and have a blast with that. It is even better and more intense than mephedrone.

I wonder how methedrone compares? I hope to find out in the not too distant future.

I haven't found DOI or DOC to be stimulating even though they are amphetamines. I once accidentally did over 50mg of DOI(scale imbalanced) and after ripping computers and other items to pieces attempting to get the aliens out, I went down the road and got picked up buy a piggy who took me to the ER and my vital signs were all pretty close to normal.

Can't wait till spring break. I'll be doing DOM for sure, and probably methylone and/or mephedrone. If possible, I'll do methedrone instead, but it is harder to come by.

Perhaps I should just stay away from stimulants since I've had problems with high blood pressure and obesity, but I'm always sure to keep my heart rate and blood pressure checked frequently when I do them.. I've set around 200/115 pulse 150 2-3 minutes or levels around 10-15 points lower over a 10min or so time period as the level at which I'd go to the ER. I'd try medicating with nitroglycerin every 3-5min + a large amount of diazepam first unless it went more than slightly higher than that range, giving it 5-10 minutes max to start working. As of now, it has never reached such high levels except on a DXM/ephredra OD combo(where I was hospitalized). I suspect from the symptoms I've had from just ephedra alone that ephedra has had it way up there before so I don't touch that shit anymore. It causes major symptoms when I used it and I felt no symptoms from my blood pressure which was typically running 190/110 without drugs(I hadn't seen a doctor in years at that point).

Ephedra must be one of the worst stimulants when used at levels that really do much, and even then it is not very rewarding at all. (Gives pleasant rushes and some energy, but also anxiety and a feeling of malaise),

I've kept records of the effects of various stimulants, psychedelics, and combos them on my blood pressure and heart rate as that has been a big concern of mine. Maybe I'll post the full collection of data against what was normal for me at the time measured. On some substances I have 10-20 sets of readings, others only a couple.

I'm really wanting to mix dimethocaine smoked with lots of opiates but its similarities to cocaine worry me a little.

Drugs like cocaine can kill from high BP or heart rate but are also able to kill by causing fatal arrhythmias such as ventricular tachycardia or ventricular fibrilation which causes the heart to effectively stop pumping blood, instead just quivering chaotically. Your only hope is CPR or having it shocked into rhythm.

I'm no expert, but I think the effect of the heart pretty much stopping is rare with stimulants other than cocaine and other drugs with local anesthetic effects.

They can all cause heart attacks and strokes, but usually with prolonged use and overdoses.

Still, stimulants are the scariest class of drugs to me. I'd hate to have a stroke and go through the rest of my life as a drooling brain-damaged freak. I think I take enough precautions (bp checks, having benzos for loweing bp/stopping anxiety and nitroglycerin for rapid lowering) to reduce my risk about as much as possible. I try to keep clonidine as well, but have run out for now.

I think anyone who uses stimulants should have as many of those as possible,
I'd say the BP monitor and benzos should definitely be in your toolkit as a bare minimum. The BP tester just to be on the safe side a to make it clear if you need medical help and the benzos to help if you end up experiencing anxiety, which is not uncommon with stims and will make BP worse, or just to make the comedown easier. I have found seroquel to be excellent for stimulant and psychedelic comedowns as well.
 
Anyone who is normally hyperactive or takes speed knows the answer instantly-society is more comfortably with placid slugs. To be wide awake is to think, to do, to bounce off the walls and engage in marathon conversations that lead to introspection, prank phone calls and societal espionage. to be wide awake, alert, wired is in a word-dangerous. The powers that be would rather we drown our sorrows in booze in front of the TV, it keeps us pliant and manageable, better consumers. Try watching TV on speed, by the third ad you'll be ranting about Mcdonalds, madison Ave etc, and you sure as hell won't be ready to go out and buy the crap featured in their ads.

Living on speed makes you realize just how slow everyone, every thing else is moving.

What would happen if all the people who stagger home from their dreary jobs each day stopped dulling their pain with an alcohol or pot induced stupor.

What if they popped speed and drank espresso instead? 8)

Because methamphetamine is highly toxic to dopaminergic neurons?
 
stimulants makes me slow down, actually, better than downers. relaxing and calm. I can't enjoy television without it. But, I rarely waste my time with television when I'm on a stimulant. I even enjoy eating better on stimulants.

I take the stimulant before my dreary job. Dreary becomes awesome and engaging. Then you just fall asleep when you're off... Ideally.

For the last 5 months, I only slept every other day. It was making me crazy and I didn't even notice.
 
Trypatmine*Dreamer, there's speculation that taking alpha-blockers(like clonodine) with your alpha agonists is MORE TOXIC than having an increased heart rate. Two wrongs don't make a right, yo.

All the drugs you listed in your post agonize or antagonize your alpha and beta receptors in your heart.

DXM is an antagonist of norepinephrine, so on the comedown, it causes hypertension. Ephedra agonizes beta receptors hardcore... In other words, you almost made your heart kill you, or itself.

I think dimethocaine is more cardiotoxic than regular cocaine too. Up to ten times more toxic at a theoreritical worse-case.

Mephedrone metabolites linger in the body past the duration of the high and comedown. They're probably beta-agonists, and probably stronger and more dangerous than epinephrine itself.

Don't combine clonodine and mephedrone. It'll be worse than DXM and ephedra.

You do too much meph. I don't touch dimethocaine personally, but I can't say for sure how dangerous it is. You should read through the mephedrone thread in EEADD drug discussion.

Stay alive man!
 
I personally sometimes "fear" stimulants (rather, just dislike them) b/c of the jitteriness, anxiousness, compulsiveness, restlessness, etc(ness)

and I actually do (truly) fear stimulants SOMETIMES when I think back to how fucked up my lifestyle was when I was the two times I was heavily addicted to them for prolonged periods. I mean, staying up a 24-48+ hours very regularly/all-the-time, snorting until I couldn't smell shit (literally), compulsively editing everything I wrote until it was ruined and/or deleted completely, etc etc etc...

trouble is, my last nearly year-long stimulant addiction (focalin, adderall, cocaine) was literally the most productive period of my life. I jump-started my intended career and really stepped things up academically (not even A's were enough - only A+'s...)

since then I've failed one class and lost any reputation/name I had made for myself in my field...simply do to inaction. I mean, not only am I much much less motivated to do shit now, but also I'm simply not awake as much as I was then. it's strange but true

the side-effects I was getting by the end of it all have never gone away (meaning when I take just like a regular, prescribed 20mg of adderall, I get all jittery, restless, uncomfortable in general, etc.) don't think I'll ever even be able to get addicted to stimulants again... which is both good and bad
 
I love speed but it is rightly feared, it changes people and comedowns can be very mentally draining. I get depression, anxiety, and panic attacks from comedowns, along with a useless feeling from being unable to finish thoughts and sentences. When im coming down hard (as i am currently) ill do shit I wouldn't imagine sober.
 
Theres something really stupid happening here in australia at the moment. You can get two different kinds of methamphetamine. Theres the 'speed' the stuff thats usually not smokeable, most people eat it or inject it and it looks different to shards, sometimes its gluggy, sometimes its powder or rocks. Anyway base or speed samething is considered to be quite safe and different to ice. Then you have the crystal meth which is referred to here as Ice. Ice is considered really hardcore and its not known by the average drug user that ice and speed/base/gas are the same drug, just different purities and cuts/impurities. Base is also a great deal cheaper than ice and theres a different sub-culture surrounding each drug. Almost everyone I know has come into contact with base here(dont take the word "base" to mean freebase either coz its not freebase) and most people dont look down apon its use, not many people around here at all have come in to contact with ice and its pretty hard to get, even if it was easy to get people wouldnt know what to do with it, they'd probably put it on a bowl of pot and completely waste the crystal.

There are little groups of ice users that have formed though, im smoking up right now as a matter of fact but this stuff came from a dealer who lives hours away, my friends got it, ice is simply more scarce around here or at least I dont know who has it, I dont hang around drug users much anymore. Its probably the more high up people who are in the know who use ice around here, speed could be obtained easily within half an hour I reckon. Thats probably what led me to injecting so early in life. The fact that snorting or eating meth isnt the best method and because it wasnt smokeable I just chose IV as the only other method to get maximum effects. Its weird though ive gone from IV'ing speed and ice on the odd occasion to mostly smoking ice and rarely injecting anything.
 
Sorry for the double post, I just read this last page and have a little more input completely separate from my previous post.

I used to get really bad comedowns with speed but I also often used it way to often therefor making me tolerant and the comedown worse. Then I stopped using for about a year and now I dont really ever get bad comedowns and that is probably mostly due to the fact that I never use speed without xannax or another benzo or at least seroquel(which I have a legal script for) so I dont feel so bad the next day. If I didnt have these comedown tools I think id go insane and I just plain and simply wouldnt use coz its just too harsh on my mental health. Its not so much my physical health that gets taxed when I use meth but my mental health and xannax proves to eliminate any negative symptoms I might experience while speeding both mental and physical. I just have to make sure I eat lots before, after and if possible while im using, at least drink a lot and it helps tremendously. the only physically uncomfortable reaction I ever really get with meth is the feeling that im going to have a heart attack but due to the fact that im here and healthy today I think its always a psychosomatic response, as soon as I get this feeling of anxiety and chest tightness I have either some xannax(preferable) or seroquel(last resort). Pot is the last thing you want in this situation...You'd think pot would help but NO! IT WILL MAKE YOU FEEL 10x WORSE!!!
 
Another holy shit moment for you

Meth destroyed me before I even got close to half a gram habit. I do believe people who say they smoked a gram a day, but holy shit yo. I considered myself destroyed when I still consumed meth even though I didn't even get high anymore. Going to sleep like 3 hours after smoking meth for example... Or feeling almost nothing from lung-popping hits. I wasn't near the gram point neither.

But stimulants scare me because they turn me into a super self-destructive asshole. And I self-destruct by destroying friendships and job opportunities and girlfriend oppourtunities and stuff like that. And they're also scary 'cause (or perhaps mainly) because the tolerance builds super-duper fast.

That said, I'm checking my bank account everyday day. Come on tax return!! I'm terribly unstimulated.

I was a daily user I was shooting a gram(called gram slams)three times a day I didn't work why work when you can sell it. I didn't have to leave my house money comes to you and so do the police specialy if you refuse to sell to someone thats to tweaked out and can't handle there shit. But shit that was 6 years ago I haven't done Meth since 2004 when I got out of prison. I can't say that it didn't mess up my life for the 10 years I used it. But now what I find funny is that I was dignosed Nacroleptic and I'm back on the one drug that I fell in love with and the Dr's know my history with drug use. This dignoses is a direct effect of Meth use in the long term. Well have fun with it it's better then coke by far.
 
Theres something really stupid happening here in australia at the moment. You can get two different kinds of methamphetamine. Theres the 'speed' the stuff thats usually not smokeable, most people eat it or inject it and it looks different to shards, sometimes its gluggy, sometimes its powder or rocks. Anyway base or speed samething is considered to be quite safe and different to ice. Then you have the crystal meth which is referred to here as Ice. Ice is considered really hardcore and its not known by the average drug user that ice and speed/base/gas are the same drug, just different purities and cuts/impurities. Base is also a great deal cheaper than ice and theres a different sub-culture surrounding each drug. Almost everyone I know has come into contact with base here(dont take the word "base" to mean freebase either coz its not freebase) and most people dont look down apon its use, not many people around here at all have come in to contact with ice and its pretty hard to get, even if it was easy to get people wouldnt know what to do with it, they'd probably put it on a bowl of pot and completely waste the crystal.

There are little groups of ice users that have formed though, im smoking up right now as a matter of fact but this stuff came from a dealer who lives hours away, my friends got it, ice is simply more scarce around here or at least I dont know who has it, I dont hang around drug users much anymore. Its probably the more high up people who are in the know who use ice around here, speed could be obtained easily within half an hour I reckon. Thats probably what led me to injecting so early in life. The fact that snorting or eating meth isnt the best method and because it wasnt smokeable I just chose IV as the only other method to get maximum effects. Its weird though ive gone from IV'ing speed and ice on the odd occasion to mostly smoking ice and rarely injecting anything.
What you call base is what here in the US is call Crank/Speed/Bathtub. Crystal Meth and Ice are actaully different to. Crystal is speed that has been brought one step further a long so it's taken from what you get as a powder to what you get as a shard. Which is done when you gas it. Crystal is basicly clean Crank/Speed. When I had started doing speed that was all you could get then in about 1 months time the whole city( LA CA) I was living in turn to Crystal didn't look like you were getting as much but by weight you getting the same amount but the bang for the buck was better. So have fun with it if you can get it.
 
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