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Why do we fear stimulants?

sarsXdave said:
Downers are more likely to leave someone more passive if they start thinking too irrationally.
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You had me until this line. Downers are more likely to lead to fights, car crashes, police encounters, falling down stairs, or other injuries. They're way more dangerous than stimulants.
 
guerillabedlam said:
I completely disagree with the op. Our society loves stimulants. Even in the 50's before there was really a drug culture many housewives took 'Bennies'. Caffiene, Nicotine, Adderall, Ritalin? Look at the booming energy drink market these days.
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agree. modern society LOVES stimulants.

of course, i also dis-agree in general with the "society is afraid of us because we're so enlightened that we see through their bullshit" argument. it's just as disillusioned and self-congratulatory as the culture it claims to be superior to. getting high is every bit as capitalist as shopping and cable television. you're just spending money on a different form of fleeting, un-satisfying happiness (while lining the pockets of equally unsavory characters who will use the money they make off of you for equally unsavory purposes).
 
My personal fear of stimulants stems from seeing them do terrible things to a couple of close friends. At first it seems the ill effects are negligible, but after a tolerance and addiction builds it seems like the persons previous personality slowly fades away. Before you know it, the only thing of interest is doing more speed.

I'm not normally an anti drug person or anything like that, but this is just my personal experience with people I am close to, and it makes my want to never go near powerful stimulants.
 
Coolio said:
You had me until this line. Downers are more likely to lead to fights, car crashes, police encounters, falling down stairs, or other injuries. They're way more dangerous than stimulants.
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Hmm, for GABAergics, I agree. And that's a large chunk of downers. I wrote that pretty early this morning after coming off 70mg of Dexedrine Spansules. :o

I was mostly thinking of an opiate user layin' on the bed. That's pretty narrow, so I'll agree with you on that.
 
I've learned to fear stimulants from first hand experience. I drank a bit too much last night, blacked out, and then snorted about 80mgs of amphetamine. I think I had forgotten to drink water for about 24 hours and I didn't sleep last night so I had the hangover from hell. I hope I learned my lesson this time.
 
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MistaJeff said:
I've learned to fear stimulants from first had experience. I drank a bit too much last night, blacked out, and then snorted about 80mgs of amphetamine. I think I had forgotten to drink water for about 24 hours and I didn't sleep last night so I had the hangover from hell. I hope I learned my lesson this time.
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Dude that sounds like the worst. Plus since you were blacked out you don't even remember the good amp high right?

I feel your pain.
 
Even among poly-drug users, I think there's a general feeling of creepiness that can go with stims. I was thinking about the weird porn I get into, trying to weird myself out and add novelty to a furious masturbation section. It was on an Adderall binge that my bro back home found out about Bailey Jay and decided he'd start looking to male-to-female transexuals for dating. I'm not judging him on that, I've certainly thought there were some cute TS models. But, as far as distancing someone from mainstream society, even pursuing pictures of them is a good way to do that.

I'm sure I've creeped some people out, doing all-nighters at the library, constantly going to the bathroom or compulsively sniffing myself to check for that super-pungent sweat I get on amps.
 
I'm a daily meth user, smoke about a gram or so everyday. I work, sleep, eat, and nobody in my personal or professional life even has a clue
 
Fear? No not quite but as a safe rule of thumb the heavy users are wankers.
 
Society fears illicit drugs full stop. Their loss ;)

As for 'stimulants', they tend to be more euphoric and uplifting then 'downers' IMO, but they also come along with some side effects that alot of people just can't handle, the comedown in particular.

For me 'stimulants' make me feel great and more then I am leading to be able to integrate with society and seem above and beyond the average person. More energy, motivation, positive attitude etc etc. 'Downers' are more of a relief or escape from the world/myself. They numb the pain of my mind, of alot of things, my problems etc. I love them both 'stimulants' and 'downers', you can't love 'stimulants' without some 'downers' on hand IMO yet you can't love 'downers' without having been highly stressed, anxious, depressed, whatever and just needing to relax. I love them both.
 
2spun4one said:
I'm a daily meth user, smoke about a gram or so everyday. I work, sleep, eat, and nobody in my personal or professional life even has a clue
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How the hell do you manage to do that? I used to smoke 1-2 grams a day and it ruined me physically, mentally, financially, and damaged a lot of relationships with friends and family. I really was a stereotypical tweaker.
 
Before their blacklisting in the 1970's CSA (after which amp use dropped by 80-90%), amphetamines were recognized as awesome pills. In the casual/new user, 5-15mg of dextroamphetamine, banishes fatigue and lifts the spirits of the depressed, of course methamp is even stronger and longer lasting.

After benzedrines introduction to medicine in the late 30's, amphets were sold by Docs script and in OTC form until the 1970 CSA put a fear into Docs who scripted pep pills, dexies, bennies, goofballs (ampht+barb combos).

Instead of the 'speed kills' mantra, amphetamines were praised for their safety and long list of medical problems they could treat. Epilepsy, head injury, Parkinsons, hyperkinesia, asthma, nasal stuffiness, barbiturate and opiate poisoning, narcolepsy, alcoholism, obesity. Meth was used with success in helping people withdraw form opiate addiction.

Finally after their continueing misuse/abuse after the 1950s, in 1965, the drug abuse amendment act classed amphetamines, barbiturates, and similar medical wonders as 'dangerous drugs' leading to the CSA in 1970 of scheduling we have today.
 
honestly, i am tryign to quit a d-amp "habit" (rx'd for adhd, really helps for that, but i got into eating 80-100mg 1-4x per week...staying up all night, all that stuff) and i see why. At first, its always harder, stronger, faster. Even now, with a decent tolerance, i still feel that positive effect. The fear is because they grab you all of a sudden. They trick you into thinking you're performing better, and regardless of whether or not you are, its jsut impossible to be speeding all the time. I hate thinking of speed, because then i think fo how fun it is, and i have said "just one more time" too much. the problem is that you can function as good, if not better while high, you just start to expect to be in that hyperalert, pumped state all the time, and with that comes the paranoia, and "anger" almost that goes along with being spun. There are few things as fun in life as sports on amphetamine.
 
It weirds me out that people love stimulants so much. Even those stupid energy drinks. And meth. I would never even try them because more than one cup of coffee makes me feel shakey and crappy.

But I can see the appeal. And I don't think anyone shies away from them-- they think it makes them more productive.
 
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You'd actually be surprised but meth is less shakey and jittery then caffeine. Amphetamines are a much cleaner, mental high compared to what caffeine does to you.

Caffeine is horrible in terms of its PNS side effects for me, but meth is pure mental energy/euphoria. Dexamphetamine is not as 'clean' feeling as meth but is also still less jittery and shakey then caffeine by a long shot.

they think it makes them more productive.
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Therapeutic doses of amphetamines definitely make me more productive. Higher/recreational doses can tend to make me less productive though because I end up doing things to enjoy high.
 
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