• BASIC DRUG
    DISCUSSION
    Welcome to Bluelight!
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Benzo Chart Opioids Chart
    Drug Terms Need Help??
    Drugs 101 Brain & Addiction
    Tired of your habit? Struggling to cope?
    Want to regain control or get sober?
    Visit our Recovery Support Forums
  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Why do people use Oxycontin and not Heroin?

P

Psynaught

Bluelighter
Joined
Sep 12, 2023
Messages
180
First of all I am 100% absolutely not promoting any type of opiod use, I know these are extremely dangerous and addictive drugs. I have Tramadol and Oxy stashed for an upcoming surgery (I don't trust doctors for pain relief) and I am pretty much terrified to use them with any regularity.

But I have been poking around on this forum and did research on opioids. I found out that the effects of Oxycontin and Heroin are pretty much identical. I've gotten. high on Oxy 3 times in my life, and it was very euphoriating, I also found out that Oxy on the street is insanely expensive, and from what I researched on the internet, heroin is way cheaper.

I know the danger of fentanyl is greater with heroin....but really not all that much. I was also told by someone who has been around opioids a lot that people do move from Oxy to heroin.

However since the price differential is so much, why don't more people make that move?

Again I am not promoting drug use, I just don't understand why people are paying so much (more than a dollar an mg) for Oxy?
 
Back when I was doing that sort of thing, oxycodone was my opioid of choice for two reasons.

One, I find oxy to be the most euphoric high.
Two, and most importantly, I had two connections who got the real deal-- prescriptions from the pharmacy.

The only reason I finally quit for good was that it just got too damned expensive. I could have gotten street junk much cheaper, but I wasn't going to do that.
 
paranoid android said:
Im not a huge fan of oxy but i do love morphine and dilaudid. I have never done heroin as i have never needed to i have always had script opiates. Why would i fuck with street heroin when i could have pharma grade morphine or dilaudid? It makes no sense
Click to expand...
I think many people can no longer get script opiates.
 
People like pharmaceutical Opioids as they know what they are getting. They know it's pure and reliable. When a person buys Heroin, they don't know if it's 60% pure or 20% pure or what have you. If pure Heroin and pure Oxycodone were put side by side, the differences in preference would be negligible. The strong Opioids are just horses of different colors. You're all riding a horse, but hell, someone might inexplicably have a better time riding a black horse instead of a chestnut. Maybe they just have a favorite color and they're more comfortable.

People use Oxycodone back in the day as it was commonly prescribed and plentiful. Oxycodone as a pharmaceutical was infinitely more acceptable in all echelons of society than Heroin. To use Heroin was to be a filthy junkie waiting on a slow death. On the other hand, I used to sniff Oxycodone with my varsity wrestling team and nobody gave it a second thought. If I had busted out a bag of Heroin, I would have been immediately ostracized from my teammates.

That time is long gone now. Prescriptions for Opioids are extremely tight, making pharmaceutical Opioids relatively uncommon on the streets. See, with Oxycodone, there was so much of it that cartels could form specializing in that drug. Nowadays, you're generally only gonna get that stuff from someone you know who gets a prescription, making it basically random.

There really is no market for pharmaceutical Opioids outside of the darkweb and the sporadic prescriptions people receive. There also isn't any Heroin. You can get Heroin in most places, though it comes at a premium compared to the Fentanyl/Xylazine.

To give a simple answer to your question, the primary factor in these differences is economic/supply and demand related. It's much, much less related to a person's subjective opinion of a given Opioid. We talk about our "favorites" and stuff because we're junkies with too much time on our hands pretending to be sommeliers. We talk about the legs, the smell, the taste, whereas 99% of normal people are just gonna call it "wine" and not give a shit as long as it gets them drunk.
 
Extremely dangerous....lol......more like Extremely valuable and indispensable medicinal medication used for over 5,000 years + by man kind

Yes, anyone can ingest a lethal dose and can prove fatal ......but in a professional medical setting, legally prescribed and taken as directed in low therapeutic doses, Opioids are probably the most valuable medicine on earth

People take Oxycodone because it's a potent opioid 10X better than Morphine. It has an excellent high oral bioavailability, rapid onset and decent duration of action. It is not sedating like Morphine, the exact opposite...Oxycodone is more of a stimulating uplifting opioid, 1.5 - 2x more potent than Morphine.....all without the nausea, sedation, and itchy histamine release.

Oxy-IR 5/10/20mg tablets are perfect for opioid naive patients as well as tolerant individuals who get 20mg IR tablets 3-5 daily as needed. A single 5mg tablet will suffice for a new patient to eliminate moderate pain rapidly and safely

It's only "negative" is that Oxycodone RELIABLY induces Profound Euphoric Pleasure. The original German patent for Eukadol (Oxycodone) even mentions its potent analgesic properties and narcotic, stimulant like euphoria....closely similar to that of Cocaine.

People don't do Heroin because in the illicit market it isn't really TRUE Diacetylmorphine (Heroin) and THAT is dangerous.....Carfentanyl or Fentanyl and you're dead with the needle still in your arm.

Oxycodone, Hydromorphone, Methadone,.....probably the best pharmaceutical grade opioids available
 
Dextro .45 said:
Extremely dangerous....lol......more like Extremely valuable and indispensable medicinal medication used for over 5,000 years + by man kind

Yes, anyone can ingest a lethal dose and can prove fatal ......but in a professional medical setting, legally prescribed and taken as directed in low therapeutic doses, Opioids are probably the most valuable medicine on earth

People take Oxycodone because it's a potent opioid 10X better than Morphine. It has an excellent high oral bioavailability, rapid onset and decent duration of action. It is not sedating like Morphine, the exact opposite...Oxycodone is more of a stimulating uplifting opioid, 1.5 - 2x more potent than Morphine.....all without the nausea, sedation, and itchy histamine release.

Oxy-IR 5/10/20mg tablets are perfect for opioid naive patients as well as tolerant individuals who get 20mg IR tablets 3-5 daily as needed. A single 5mg tablet will suffice for a new patient to eliminate moderate pain rapidly and safely

It's only "negative" is that Oxycodone RELIABLY induces Profound Euphoric Pleasure. The original German patent for Eukadol (Oxycodone) even mentions its potent analgesic properties and narcotic, stimulant like euphoria....closely similar to that of Cocaine.

People don't do Heroin because in the illicit market it isn't really TRUE Diacetylmorphine (Heroin) and THAT is dangerous.....Carfentanyl or Fentanyl and you're dead with the needle still in your arm.

Oxycodone, Hydromorphone, Methadone,.....probably the best pharmaceutical grade opioids available
Click to expand...
Orall oxycodone Is stronger than morphine only because oxy high bioavailability. Morphine has very low bioavailability (oral). Oxy Is strong, but in fact it Is much weaker MOR agonist than morphine. Hydrocodone is stronger MOR agonist than Oxy...Oxy Is nice but it has +- same affinity for MOR as O-desmethyltramadol...u just don't need to metabolize it...i like oxy, but overall high and analgesic effects are better if i use high dose tramadol + anticonvulsant or dihydrocodeine.
Never had heroin but smoked plenty od powder hydromorphone from pill factory and nothing i have ever used since smoking hydromorphone can compare to it...
 
Yea the "better or worse" argument is really an issue of personal preference. I've heard the "Oxycodone is a 'stimulant Opioid'" many times. I've always found that statement funny, as if you were to look at myself and my friends sitting indian style and drooling into our own laps after using Oxycodone, I think it would be difficult to call it anything other than a powerful sedative.

Opioids in general have stimulant qualities. However, I don't mean they literally act as stimulants upon the nervous system. What tends to happen is doses under the sedating level tend to make people feel more rested/ready for work due to the painkilling effects of the drug. A person might be out working in the rice paddy all day. Their feet hurt, their shoulders hurt and they just want to go to bed. A little bit of Opium can make them forget about their sore feet and continue working for a few more hours.

People's preferences in this matter are going to vary. For instance, I prefer Morphine/Heroin whereas @Dextro .45 believes Oxycodone is much better. Like I say every time though, give a person an Opioid of the proper potency and they are not likely to complain.
 
I'm not physically addicted to opioids anymore, but when I was I preferred heroin. This is because it's easier to snort powder then tablets (and the cost!). Now that I only use opioids sparingly, either is fine. I have no preference.
 
I agree with lots of the things already said and wanted to add that oxycodone has high oral bioavailability. H on the other hand requires IV use to get the full effect. Plenty of people are afraid to mess with shooting up - as they should be. There's an association with needles and H which partly creates the stigma of H users being "full on junkies", while popping a pill is discreet and doesn't have that stigma.
 
Yes, I have nodded off Oxycodone too….like three CDN 80’s at once ….but your standard opioids Morphine, Diamorphine, Hydromorphone, Oxymorphone are generally sedating …Morpheus (the Greek god of Dreams) sleepy pain relief

Semi synthetic opioids Tramadol and especially Oxycodone (synthasized from theBaine) is considered the least sedative properties compared to morphine. Its original German patent mentions it and also in other literature

The Germans found Eukadol (Oxycodone) was the opioid narcotic to be most similar to Cocaine in terms of its profound euphoria and stimulating properties…….why it was selected for the special drug containing Pervitin (d-Meth), Cocaine, and Eukadol (Oxycodone)

Oxycodone & Ritalin (Methylphenidate) were the only two drugs to ever give me true euphoria. Powerful, robust mood-boosting dopaminergic euphoria, stimulating pain relief and anxiety relief……each had very similar euphoric effects, nearly identical to me ……if naive to all substances, I’d select a lifetime supply of those two drugs, plus equal amounts of Diazepam & Alprazolam lol

I’ve had Heroin (real H) over 20 years ago……before Fent shit…..and even urine sample tested positive for metabolite 6-MAM so I know what I had was genuine Diacetylmorphine…..IV and is VERY euphoric and pleasurable …..then you’re nodding for hours. Fell asleep sitting up watching tv with cigarette still in hand lol, blistered fingers burnt

Fell asleep for hours in running car at an ESSO after slamming in the washroom…..woke up and noticed it was dark out and 9pm…..scored at 6. My lord lol, Diacetylmorphine is obviously the ultimate opioid narcotic

But for safe pharmaceutical tablets, Oxycodone is unmatched
 
Keif' Richards said:
People like pharmaceutical Opioids as they know what they are getting. They know it's pure and reliable. When a person buys Heroin, they don't know if it's 60% pure or 20% pure or what have you. If pure Heroin and pure Oxycodone were put side by side, the differences in preference would be negligible. The strong Opioids are just horses of different colors. You're all riding a horse, but hell, someone might inexplicably have a better time riding a black horse instead of a chestnut. Maybe they just have a favorite color and they're more comfortable.

People use Oxycodone back in the day as it was commonly prescribed and plentiful. Oxycodone as a pharmaceutical was infinitely more acceptable in all echelons of society than Heroin. To use Heroin was to be a filthy junkie waiting on a slow death. On the other hand, I used to sniff Oxycodone with my varsity wrestling team and nobody gave it a second thought. If I had busted out a bag of Heroin, I would have been immediately ostracized from my teammates.

That time is long gone now. Prescriptions for Opioids are extremely tight, making pharmaceutical Opioids relatively uncommon on the streets. See, with Oxycodone, there was so much of it that cartels could form specializing in that drug. Nowadays, you're generally only gonna get that stuff from someone you know who gets a prescription, making it basically random.

There really is no market for pharmaceutical Opioids outside of the darkweb and the sporadic prescriptions people receive. There also isn't any Heroin. You can get Heroin in most places, though it comes at a premium compared to the Fentanyl/Xylazine.

To give a simple answer to your question, the primary factor in these differences is economic/supply and demand related. It's much, much less related to a person's subjective opinion of a given Opioid. We talk about our "favorites" and stuff because we're junkies with too much time on our hands pretending to be sommeliers. We talk about the legs, the smell, the taste, whereas 99% of normal people are just gonna call it "wine" and not give a shit as long as it gets them drunk.
Click to expand...
Man beat me to it. On point.
 
Dextro .45 said:
Yes, I have nodded off Oxycodone too….like three CDN 80’s at once ….but your standard opioids Morphine, Diamorphine, Hydromorphone, Oxymorphone are generally sedating …Morpheus (the Greek god of Dreams) sleepy pain relief

Semi synthetic opioids Tramadol and especially Oxycodone (synthasized from theBaine) is considered the least sedative properties compared to morphine. Its original German patent mentions it and also in other literature

The Germans found Eukadol (Oxycodone) was the opioid narcotic to be most similar to Cocaine in terms of its profound euphoria and stimulating properties…….why it was selected for the special drug containing Pervitin (d-Meth), Cocaine, and Eukadol (Oxycodone)

Oxycodone & Ritalin (Methylphenidate) were the only two drugs to ever give me true euphoria. Powerful, robust mood-boosting dopaminergic euphoria, stimulating pain relief and anxiety relief……each had very similar euphoric effects, nearly identical to me ……if naive to all substances, I’d select a lifetime supply of those two drugs, plus equal amounts of Diazepam & Alprazolam lol

I’ve had Heroin (real H) over 20 years ago……before Fent shit…..and even urine sample tested positive for metabolite 6-MAM so I know what I had was genuine Diacetylmorphine…..IV and is VERY euphoric and pleasurable …..then you’re nodding for hours. Fell asleep sitting up watching tv with cigarette still in hand lol, blistered fingers burnt

Fell asleep for hours in running car at an ESSO after slamming in the washroom…..woke up and noticed it was dark out and 9pm…..scored at 6. My lord lol, Diacetylmorphine is obviously the ultimate opioid narcotic

But for safe pharmaceutical tablets, Oxycodone is unmatched
Click to expand...
While i tend to agree with most of what you have said, I am on the sides of keif here with the general idea being these opioid are all different cuts of the same cloth just this cut may tend to match the size you need for the curtain or have a slight different shade or colour, codeine is as much baby heroin as oxy is baby heroin, (not taking into account the strength difference I'm also inclined to believe the first opiate/highs you take on are going to more often than not be the ones you like. Of course some may just not agree with you or dosing etc, and you may hate the experience or never do it again, but more often than not the first enjoyable pleasurable drug experience is imo going to probably be what you like, however it comes down to mental state to.

I know people who have done meth but would NEVER TOUCH a nitrous oxide canister, as they see having a tonne of canisters around as more filthy than say a single meth pipe and vice versa, two of these people are two of my best friends. Yet iv done both Nitro's to me feels clean and fine (at least back in the day when i did proper nitrous) and yet any time I did or even saw anything to do with a meth pipe I felt filthy, the high felt filthy. Everything about it felt wrong and bad, yet sex on it was well obviously great. Still never would and have gone back to the drug. Yet iv taken Oxy medically for a half decade or so and even at the lowest doses i find myself having a great time mentally time and time again without fail.

The take away here. Drugs are highly subjective and our scientific and pharmacokinetic discoveries and understandings don't always show the full picture or have us jumping to things. Please try remember many people genuinely feel another way about your favourite or most hated drug. This most fundamental thing in understanding why people take to these differently we don't event fully or at all understand yet. Also I personally fucking love hydromorphone and oxy equally as much, but I know back in the day id of picked morphine 99/100 yet based on experience Id prefer the oxy 99/100. Yet when I us to eat a few OC 80s in the day, DHC even at pretty decently low doses for a then Oxy fiend, got me really fucking happy, yet I had a person live with me and while they got off a long Xanax and Meth/Crack addiction when all of the above was quite street pure here and had no opiate tainting yet. Long after getting clean was such a fiend at heart that he genuinely couldn't eat enough of a opiate until he would OD which wed never let happen, and would... not... shut the fuck up until you knocked the cunt out.

People are strange.
 
Oxy and heroin aren't pretty much identical.

Problem is there's not a abundant amount of H like there use to be. Would have to go out of your way to find real H, test it and it's not going to be cheap. Even buying what appears to be a legitimate pharmaceutical can be just as big of a task.

Fentanyl is multiple times over more dangerous than H. It's not even close. I've done a lot of H in my time and never a problem. You won't even know you're overdosing on Fentanyl or analog even if you're being careful.
 
Last edited:
In Canada, our “safe supply program” gives serious addicts prescription Diamorphine (Heroin) to be administered onsite at facility with nurse and clean gear etc.

A medical journal study found the study participants couldn’t differentiate the difference between IV Diamorphine and IV Hydromorphone (Dilaudid). Prescription ampoules of Dilaudid (Hydromorphone) are commonly prescribed to addicts too, as it doesn’t require the stringent restrictions and guildlines required for Diamorphine

The dispense oral Dilaudid 8mg tablets also…..but are often sold on the streets to score H …as oral HM is a waste to most users

Injectable Hydromorphone v.s. Diacetylmorphine are nearly indistinguishable and both are Tier 1 potent opioid narcotic analgesic compounds …pharmaceutical Dilaudid vials for injection are Extremely desirable and is actually slightly more potent than Diacetylmorphine. Slightly.

I can’t believe several pharmaceutical companies market Diamorphine (small paper box, plastic sleeve, 5 ampoules) 5/10/30/100/500mg doses vials….Google them and see pics lol…. Diamorphine 500mg vial, my lord. A half gram of 100% pure pharmaceutical Diacetylmorphine Hydrochloride for IV/IM/SC injection ….lol, my lord

The 30mg box has a red warning label. Caution: for use in opioid tolerant patients only
100mg light blue labeled vial
500mg red labeled vial …..just a pure white freeze dried powder ready to add a carrier and administer immediately

Sandoz Canada has the best Hydromorphone product on earth…. A small glass 10ml bottle with an entire gram of Hydromorphone for IV/IM/SC injection ….. Hydromorphone HP FORT (small 10ml glass vial-red label) 100mg/per ml. Your standard insulin syringe 30 gauge 1c.c. ……each 0.1 is 100mg of HM lol ….half full syringe, 500mg HM ….the vial is Sooooo freaking small can comfortably hide in your pocket even

I get depo-Testosterone 10ml glass vials 100mg/per ml / 1,000mg in 10ml vial (same as Sandoz HM vial)

Hydromorphone being extremely water soluble can have an insanely high amount of HCL powder in the smallest volume of water, and when administered via IV injection is VERY Potent ……Extremely potent. Wow….

Hydromorphone (Dilaudid) in an OG highly respected opioid with street cred lol
Diacetylmorphine (Diamorphine) the true Holy Grail of euphoric potent opioid narcotic
Oxycodone (Eukadol) Easily the most Euphoric opioid. Period. Potent OG opioid narcotic
Methadone (Dolophin) Very potent long acting synthetic opioid with high oral bioavailability

All synthesized in za fazza land lol - Germany 1900’s . Shit, what a time….OTC any one of these potent opioids, Pervitin (dextro-Methamphetamine hcl) 3mg tablets and injectable ampoules, Cocaine, Amphetamines in general, Barbiturates, insanely pleasurable chemical compounds

1940/1950’s America ….OMG lol ….Dexamyl & Desbutal…. (Benzedrine/Dexedrine/Methedrine) Biphetamine, Phenmetrazine (Preludin) and later Methylphenidate (Ritalin) …..Valium (Diazepam) Amytal and other Barbiturates, powerful opioid medications like Oxycodone, Dilaudid, Demerol, Vicodin

BUT these were the golden era of the Amphetamines (Dexamyl & Desbutal) d-Meth & Barbiturate
 
Safer. I switched so I could monitor my intake and with H you never can tell. I overdosed three times and thankfully had narcan or I wouldn't be here.
 
when H came here in early 90-ies,when the system collapse he literally swept away all pharmaceuticalls-morphine amp.,demerol-amp.,pantopon-amp.fentanyl-flacons....it was so damned strong and pure.....iranians opens the market and quality was incredible.....so good H is most euphoric opi imo
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top