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Why do I appear to have this strange tolerance to MDMA

Suploris

Suploris

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Hello fellow Mandy lovers,

I sometimes feel like i have a strange tolerance to amphetamines. I wonder if some of you may have experienced the same and whether you have some advice for me!

First things first. I'm a 21 y.o. female from the Netherlands. As you might know, my country has a pretty liberal attitude towards drugs, and I always manage to get my MDMA tested before using it just to make sure it's pure and so I know how strong the pills are. So don't say the MDMA simply wasn't pure or bad quality, I assure you I take the best pills out there!

I have used MDMA three times now. First time was around 6 months ago, 2nd time in September and the 3rd time in October. I intend to take breaks of at least 6 weeks, but there just happened to be two events within a short space of time. I have only taken MDMA at large events so far. Some say that this might be part of my problem. I use other drugs too, such as GHB/psychedelics/speed/weed. These all have the desired effect on me bar speed: amphetamine, so might be a similar story to my mdma 'problems'.

First time around, I was affectionate and felt energetic, but it was nowhere near the rush I'd expected to feel. That might've been party caused by the dose, as I reckon I took around 100mg the first time round (i'm only small) and another 50 as a redose. Had a good time, but the effects seemed minimal.
Second time round the effects were stronger. I knew what to look for as far as the effects were concerned and I felt good. Unsure about the dose I took that night, must've been around one medium pill (120-140mg). Started off with half, then took the other half a couple of hours later. I don't like to overdo it. Again, I felt great, but I can't really speak of an 'intense rush' like some of you do.
Third time, was a disappointment for me. I'd waited 5 weeks since my last use. Ok, bit short, but nothing that should have a major impact on the roll, especially not since it was only my 3rd time. Started off with half a 200mg pill. Took another half 2 hours later. Effects: Felt uneasy, restless, bit uncomfortable. Probably took too much. Euphoric effects were minimal to none. People around me looked like they were having a great time. It wasn't a bad experience, just once again disappointing. Coming up is always a strange experience for me, as I hardly seem to feel it. I wish to be smacked in the face with the effects for once!

NB. I usually don't get hangovers. I feel tired the next day, but a good sleep and some food usually solves the problem. No depression. I don't take SSRI's or anything like that.

So my question is. What would you recommend? Take more the first time and redose less? Redose sooner after the first dose? Smaller dose? I have a feeling I'm doing something wrong here! Doing my next pill in a few days (white nintendos, tested).
Thanks everyone.
 
2 things...change of setting and stop trying to feel the drug.

alot od people find that taking the drug in a different setting really enhances the effects. if you have only tried it at house parties with friends. try it at a rave or in a more intament setting like at home with a SO.

secondly, new users that have heard all about MDMA from other people end up thinking its this magic pill that makes you feel like you've gone to heavan or you are having the most intense orgasm for 5 hours. MDMA is a great drug. but some people are so hyped up to try it that they "worry" (for lack of a better word) themselves out of the experince. once they do try it and it is a lcak luster expierience it gets even worse...they tend to sit there and look for the effects instead of just letting it happen.

My advice is, since you have pills, ( and reported to be realatively high dose pills to boot) take a pill and set you phone alarm for one hour then do something that isn't sit in a hump and wait for the pill to kickin. take a walk, dance or have sex...somehting that takes your mind off the comeup. when your phone gose off, take the other pill.

take the MDMA on a empty stomach or have a LIGHT meal 3-4 hours before. do not smoke weed before MDMA or during the come up. if you are 2 hours in and have taken both pills with no effect..try smking a bowl then to see if that kicks it in or do something physical to get the blood flowing.

but I bet you are just overthinking the experince...stop looking for it and just let it happen.

Also, what are you doing to make the expiernce better? are you giving massages or trying roll tricks or anything like that? what setting are you taking the drug in? house praty, rave, home with close friends or SO? all of this can make a big difference.
 
Started off with half a 200mg pill. Took another half 2 hours later
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MDMA tolerance develops in a matter of hours. Taking that second 100mg two hours after the first probably isn't doing much for you. Try taking the whole pill at once.
 
Thanks guys. You're probably right - I have been overthinking the experience. I have only taken pills at large dance events, so that might also be part of the problem as i said before. There will be another dance event a couple of days from now but I'll try to have a walk around and talk to my friends just before the comeup just so it's something different. I have a feeling that sometimes the music and lights are so overwhelming at these events the effects of the drug are less obvious in comparison. It also takes ages to kick in most of the time, which is annoying. I'll try to eat a light meal beforehand, though the previous times I hadn't really eaten much. I've read something about having a few drinks (that means 2-3 beers or so) beforehand can help you relax and not overthink the effects of the drug. What is your opinion on this?
 
In my experience drinking will dampen the experience, as well as weed. You're waiting too long to redose aswell. Try doing it on an empty stomach, with a proper dose and see how it goes.
 
Taking a 200 mg pill all at once with no or almost no tolerance should definitely make you roll your eyes out of your head. If that doesn't happen next time you try it then it's also possible that you have some chemical imbalance and you don't respond well. It could just be the setting of course, but I have a friend who doesn't really respond to MDMA like all others do; hope for you this isn't it though because MDMA can be amazing :p
 
I think the answer is right infront of us... you use speed?

Not sure whether most of the speed over in the netherlands is amphetamine or methamphetamine either way they both have a cross-tolerance with MDMA especially meth as it also works on serotonin. Whats your speed usage like?

Personally I would go with the 200mg pill all in one shot if your not feeling much off lower dosages.
 
Once again very useful advice, thanks everyone. It's true, i sometimes use small doses of speed (not the meth variety) as a 'substitute' for mdma when i'm going to a party and my last mdma use was not long enough before that. I know it's not a healthier alternative, but i really don't want to have a tolerance for mdma, I want to keep using it for as long as possible. I will stop doing that now though, might use ketamine in stead of speed.
Also the redosing advice was very useful. I've decided i'm going to start with a stronger dose (100/120) and take around 60 1.5hrs later. That should do the trick. Thanks everyone!
 
Since you're familiar with other drugs (especially weed)

Take 140-200mg as your first dose. Smoke some weed (good stuff, but that's no problem with our shops ;)) 30 minutes later. You'll never want to do any other drugs again.

I also have a weird tolerance for mdma (but als for alcohol, weed etc. I just don't get high fast) and 100mg my first time was really dissapointing aswell, but that changed when I redosed another 100mg 1.5 hours later.

If you find that initial dose too high, try 100mg first dose, 30-60 minutes later another 100mg.

Also at parties I notice way less effects, it's much more intense when you're at home with friends sitting in a warm room, you can 'let go' much easier and totally relax, while at a party you're really busy chit chatting and messing around so you don't actually notice your high that much.

Since 100mg doesn't get you rolling that hard, I recommend to take the nintendo in one time. It's not as hard as you expect, and you'll love it.

To give a small example, a friend of mine did xtc first time on NYE, did a 150mg pill and it also didn't get him rolling. He was like well I'm not sure what the hype is all about etc. (1.5 hours later). He took another pill and 15 minutes later all he could say was "dit is zo chill" for the next 5 hours ;)
 
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I would find something else to do at the event. smoke weed, drink, LSD,K...Stay sober...anything other than MDMA. cut out of the event a bit early and save your pills for an after party at home.

you have already tried MDMA at several raves and said it wasn't good. save it and try it at home.
 
matt2012 said:
I would find something else to do at the event. smoke weed, drink, LSD,K...Stay sober...anything other than MDMA. cut out of the event a bit early and save your pills for an after party at home.

you have already tried MDMA at several raves and said it wasn't good. save it and try it at home.
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You make a fair point.
I'm going to try it with this new technique of mine. The circumstances are perfect: I absolutely love the djs and music at the event, the venue is one of the best, sound quality is top notch. I'm going to try it in this setting one last time, if it doesn't work I will stop taking it for a while and do it at home in stead. Just want to give it one more chance.
 
Suploris said:
You make a fair point.
I'm going to try it with this new technique of mine. The circumstances are perfect: I absolutely love the djs and music at the event, the venue is one of the best, sound quality is top notch. I'm going to try it in this setting one last time, if it doesn't work I will stop taking it for a while and do it at home in stead. Just want to give it one more chance.
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I had this same issue, had to do it at home. Now i get it. Time to rock this shit at a rave again now.
 
I find that taking some amphetamines prior to MDMA (like for about two weeks before it) can decrease the effects of MDMA. So, if you've used something a few days ago (I'm not sure what types of amphetamines you use), then that may have an effect on it.
Drinking alcohol can (possibly) make it worse. That being said, it does help for some people, but I wouldn't advise it. You mentioned psychedelics. Having acid about a week before MDMA will likely decrease its effects as well. I'm not sure about other psychedelics. Weed won't have any effect. GHB ... I love mixing GHB with MDMA! BUT when I took GABA supplements, they made me a LOT more tolerant to MDMA (I had about 500 mg throughout the night before I could feel anything ... NOT something I'd recommend or something I'd do again). I don't know the chemistry and stuff behind it but, if you're taking GHB a lot (multiple times in the past week or two), then that might have effects? I don't know for sure though, maybe something that could be researched.

The 200 mg should have done it. That's a higher dose. I take either 150 mg or 100 mg (I'm a 22y/o female).
Make sure you haven't eaten much in the past few hours (a light meal a couple hours before is best). Make sure you're in a good setting, where you can really enjoy yourself. That's helpful. The first few times I did MDMA though, I could be anywhere, and I would have an amazing time. But hey, it's different for everyone! You'd think that, at a good venue with great DJs, that it would be ideal.
 
Half dosing the pills all the time is your problem, On the dosages you are doing i would be disappointed. Take 200 MG all at once and if you really want to get a smack in the face you could bomb a quarter G. There is most likely nothing wrong with your gear because of where you live. Its just you need a good start dose and some people need more then others
 
I have an odd tolerance that no one can quite explain to me. My usage time has always been very very spaced out.. once maybe twice a year at max ever and NEVER less then 6 months apart.. While I always have had a great time and enjoined my self a GREAT deal.. Experienced all the case book effects ect (save for once pretty sure it was FISH and ran a bit lite) ... I have always had to dose more then those around me. (YES I have tested my stuff and know what it was) Back in the mid 1990's I was about 115lbs and could drop about 3 Mitsubishi (from Miami , miss those!) to get to where all my friends were on one.. WHY ??? Can't tell you.. I have never been on a SSRI or a MAIO of any sort, I have never been more then social drinker and never while I was doing MDMA in any of its forms...I do not smoke pot or really take much else.. I have done LSD and shrooms (also well spaced out) but also never with MDMA... '

It may just be your system and how long your taking to redose... I say take more up front.. IF you want to redose then you can take less then..

just my $0.02
 
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