Why do Americans say shit about ww2 like "you'd be speaking German if it wasn't for us"?

[December Flower]

i hope that was a joke because that is sadistic and mentally ill.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

I forgot Germans don’t like humor very much

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

He's just upset because Krushev and Stalin both said they wouldn't have beaten the Germans without the United States

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

And then he's still upset about the other thread he was wrong in so he brought it up over here

Don't blame me for those elitist Europeans doing the natives wrong here

 

[December Flower]

He's just upset because Krushev and Stalin both said they wouldn't have beaten the Germans without the United States

honestly i'm still upset because you said Americans didn't kill Native Americans,
and that it's mainland Europe's fault, and not the fault of the people that stayed on the stolen land.

I didn't really care much about the conversation after that before that isn't resolved.
It's fucking insane.

And then he's still upset about the other thread he was wrong in so he brought it up over here

Don't blame me for those elitist Europeans doing the natives wrong here

I'm not blaming you ffs.
I'm not talking about you. You are not even American. You are Italian.
You're the one who says modern mainland Europeans today are at fault for what happened in the Americas, because we didn't go over there and kill people, yet some other people went over there and killed everyone and stole their land and took their identity as "Americans", and those people are somehow not at fault...

I forgot Germans don’t like humor very much

well I like humor, but again: I'm Autistic, I am not competent to make the judgment whether something is/was meant in a humorous way, which is why I will take what you say as you say it first. Since I don't have audio, and you didn't include emoticons to hint at the fact that it might be a joke, I couldn't decipher that information.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

What happened with the natives was fucked up , we all get that, it’s in the past nobody today had anything to do with it nor did our parents or their parents…but the natives have kick ass casinos now, I think everyone is doing alright

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Guy, just don't answer. I didn't for a while, thinking it not worth it.
I finally had to jump in, well, because a lot of what you said wasn't true.
For instance, the Russians helping you rebuild. It came out later that you meant Russians living there and not the government as you led people to believe.
Just for instance.
There's enough disinformation out there, much purposely spread. that's what got me in.

Just don't answer. Everyone involved in this did shitty things in various areas and to various degrees. The US did too, if it helps you to hear that.
I hope we've learned (some) from our mistakes. I think Germany has too. I hope neither of us backslides.

 

[December Flower]

Guy, just don't answer. I didn't for a while, thinking it not worth it.
I finally had to jump in, well, because a lot of what you said wasn't true.
For instance, the Russians helping you rebuild. It came out later that you meant Russians living there and not the government as you led people to believe.
Just for instance.
There's enough disinformation out there, much purposely spread. that's what got me in.

Just don't answer. Everyone involved in this did shitty things in various areas and to various degrees. The US did too, if it helps you to hear that.
I hope we've learned (some) from our mistakes. I think Germany has too. I hope neither of us backslides.

Uh but the Russian (actually USSR) government did rebuild East Germany, so no I wasn't wrong about saying that.
Here in the South it was Italians and Turks mostly, in the West just Turks. US sent money.

and I can't not answer, that would be impolite.

What happened with the natives was fucked up , we all get that, it’s in the past nobody today had anything to do with it nor did our parents or their parents…but the natives have kick ass casinos now, I think everyone is doing alright

well I like your opinion and the way you word it. Yeah it was pretty fucked up, and my issue in the first place is Krinkle just denying that, and saying it was the evil Europeans, and Americans aren't these exact Europeans a few generations later

I mean how was it our fault if our ancestors stayed in Europe? That's ridiculous.
Besides the fact that it is no one's fault alive today,

judging by the US gov's actions, no it did not learn from its mistakes, other than it can repeat them however often they wish. Look what they did to Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. They practically bred these terrorists that are now taking control.
That's not far in the past. And Syria or Lybia will have similar consequences in 10 to 20 years.

that's all I wanted to hear from him, yes, the US did make mistakes, and it still makes mistakes.
not that they are the holiest nation on the fucking planet ffs, because that is just biased BS

he basically said the USA never did anything wrong, how can I not fight that opinion?

and yes, a thousand times yes, I learned a million times about how horrible my country used to be, and what we did. We do it four years in school. Our graduation trip was to Poland to see Auschwitz. We had to watch videos of babies being hit against the wall because they didn't die from the cyanide. I'm not defending Germany, I find it appalling.

But I find it just as appalling when a country does something fucked up, and as a citizen of said country all you can say is "hm yeah but the nazis killed civilians too" or "hm yeah but that was Europe's fault", because it was the same kind of citizens that let the Nazis take control in Germany. Scapegoaters. Yes-Sayers. Patriots. If you can't think about your country without your cock getting hard, I'm sorry, but your opinion might not be objective at all.

And there's so much evidence of the US doing fucked up shit, and so much evidence of it doing fucked up shit now, not 80 years ago, not 200 years ago, still to this fucking day. And yes I'm biased, but you cannot view nations like that. That a government as powerful as the US is good and benevolent, puh-lease. In your dreams. The American Dream perhaps.

 

[kiely]

This could actually be one of the classics. This has some very historic learning perspective's !!


But hey . . be careful with the : characterization of examination by one's own thoughts and feelings.

But history is an intense little dispute. I totally understand.

 

[mal3volent]

honestly i'm still upset because you said Americans didn't kill Native Americans,
and that it's mainland Europe's fault, and not the fault of the people that stayed on the stolen land.

you do know that the people we call native Americans most likely aren't "native" to America , right? They're most likely Asian. Everybody comes from somewhere else. Also people have been fighting over land since the beginning of our species. It's not like there was a single whole society here and we came and took over. It was many, many different tribes. Our tribe was bigger and more technologically advanced. that's fucked up I know but that's how the world was then.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

December Flower

All one would have to do to compare the US treatment of lands it took in ww2 to the Soviet's would be to examine which countries were self governing and had been for years when the USSR fell.
It's satellites forced their self governance from the Soviets. It wasn't given, not even incrementally.
East Germany was happy to become part of the West as I recall.

Forced labor of Germans in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, the US still does some fucked up shit. Just look at Ukraine to compare that to the fucked up shit the Soviets are still doing.

They can both be true.

I've said that pretty clearly and so have most in the thread. It's not to justify, it's to present the whole picture.
You didn't seem to present that whole picture until prompted.
I think almost all of the "USA, USA!" has been in jest.

And, yeah, invasion with a shaky intent followed by economic imperialism is kinda better than blatant, brutal invasion followed by permanent rule.
Still fucked up, just not quite as bad. Doesn't justify, but let's not make excuses for the worse stuff. Tell the whole story.

Shelling civilian targets is happening in Ukraine right now. Thankfully our missiles prevent their air force's free reign.
The US disregards civilian casualties to get to their targets. They don't target civilian areas just to break the populace's spirit. That's happening in Ukraine right now.

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As to WW2
Just trying to present the grown up point of view.
Y'all started it. Na na na boo boo

 

[kiely]

 

[December Flower]

you do know that the people we call native Americans most likely aren't "native" to America , right? They're most likely Asian. Everybody comes from somewhere else. Also people have been fighting over land since the beginning of our species. It's not like there was a single whole society here and we came and took over. It was many, many different tribes. Our tribe was bigger and more technologically advanced. that's fucked up I know but that's how the world was then.

"Our tribe" that's all I wanted to hear from him, to say yes that was us.
I mean I know it wasn't him, he is Italo-American and his relatives came to the US much later,
But it is a burden that the American nation today now has to carry.

I'm no Unmensch, I understand mistakes, hell I'm German, I really understand mistakes,
but I don't understand saying "nop din't happen, dat was evil Europeans". Mk

They can both be true.

and that's my point.

 

[December Flower]

I've said that pretty clearly and so have most in the thread. It's not to justify, it's to present the whole picture.
You didn't seem to present that whole picture until prompted.
I think almost all of the "USA, USA!" has been in jest.

And, yeah, invasion with a shaky intent followed by economic imperialism is kinda better than blatant, brutal invasion followed by permanent rule.
Still fucked up, just not quite as bad. Doesn't justify, but let's not make excuses for the worse stuff. Tell the whole story.

Shelling civilian targets is happening in Ukraine right now. Thankfully our missiles prevent their air force's free reign.
The US disregards civilian casualties to get to their targets. They don't target civilian areas just to break the populace's spirit. That's happening in Ukraine right now.

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As to WW2
Just trying to present the grown up point of view.
Y'all started it. Na na na boo boo

As I often said, I am biased against the US government, I absolutely am.
And there's many reasons to be, as someone who grew up in a US occupied country.

And I'm not denying any other countries' wrongdoings, I'm just saying the US did wrong, and still does.
And him blatantly denying that the US ever did any wrong is completely fucked up and I will not stay silent about such disrespectful behaviour towards all who have suffered under this Empire just in the last 80 years and to this day.

Yes you are the most powerful nation on the planet
No, it does not make you "the good guys" or even the "bringers of democracy" like your presidents so often claim.
Look at what it has done in the Middle East. The USA is fucking scary and it is fucking powerful.


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yeah I know, ofc we started it.
I'm not trying to say we didn't. Everyone hates my country. fyi: We hate it too
And we are all too fucking graphically aware of what our country did.
But we wear that cross, out of respect for those who suffered.

I'm just asking Americans to do the same, and have a long objective look at their country today

That's why all this patriotic dick-measuring doesn't really bare any fruit here. Insult my country, I don't really care, I insult it on a daily basis. Over a fucking year since the bill to legalise Cannabis was presented, still no fucking result.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

"Our tribe" that's all I wanted to hear from him, to say yes that was us.
I mean I know it wasn't him, he is Italo-American and his relatives came to the US much later,
But it is a burden that the American nation today now has to carry.

I'm no Unmensch, I understand mistakes, hell I'm German, I really understand mistakes,
but I don't understand saying "nop din't happen, dat was evil Europeans". Mk



and that's my point.

Germany doesn't have to "carry a burden". They just have to remember. We all do. In the hopes it doesn't happen to us. It could.

 

[December Flower]

Germany doesn't have to "carry a burden". They just have to remember. We all do. In the hopes it doesn't happen to us. It could.

Oh but we do. There's a reason we do this 4 years in school (well 3-4, depends on your education path)
We are to feel guilty. Tbh I don't have a problem with that - we should carry our nation's cross, or all of that was for nothing.
We need to see and learn how our country treated human life, and we need to see the warning signs to avoid it happening again. And we are raised to cherish the sanctity of life, human life in any form, no matter where you're from, what you're into, what your religion is, and that's why I cannot agree with the path the US has chosen for itself. Funding terrorists, and then attacking countries for having terrorists. I mean... how is that good? Apparently Americans aren't taught to respect life as much, or they wouldn't tolerate their country's behaviour, no?

Instead they focus on the plan. Red vs Blue. And you have the nation split in two.
As long as Democrats hate Republicans and vice versa, they are going to continue doing this shit.

And when Russia does it, it's all fingerpointing and "look at Russia they are so fucking evil, our gov would never attack a country." mk. Yeah you're both evil Empires, and these Empires are using the world as a stage to wage their war.

 

[December Flower]

Why do Americans say shit about ww2 like "you'd be speaking German if it wasn't for us"?​

yeah but if you spoke German you could use words like Oberaffentittengeil or Schnitzelspeck or Oberammergauerodelwiesenbauer, so your loss Schauspielerbetreuungsflugbuchungsstatisterieleitungsgastspielorganisationsspezialistenausbildungslagerleiterin look at that sexy beauty, mhhm.
word porn. I can say that, the word is female

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

@December Flower so you want me to respond a certain way, which i haven't, so you're mad now

you're mad that your people, the Europeans, did the natives wrong - and you want me to take responsibility for it now because i live here

well im not doing it

and you're in the wrong thread complaining about that too - it was the other thread

 

[Fertile]

@December Flower so you want me to respond a certain way, which i haven't, so you're mad now

you're mad that your people, the Europeans, did the natives wrong - and you want me to take responsibility for it now because i live here

well im not doing it

and you're in the wrong thread complaining about that too - it was the other thread

The guy has expended 4000+ words stating 'life isn't fair'. To which I answer - 'if you don't like it, leave'.

There is a long waiting list for people who WANT to live but suffer organ failure. Continued and extended complaint is a luxury only available who won the lottery when they were BORN. In most nations, people struggle to live... and strangely, don't have time for pointless ethical discussions. Just surviving for another day is their only goal.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

And you know murica always wins baby!

There's those delusions caused by the lies taught in U.S. schools again!