Why do Americans say shit about ww2 like "you'd be speaking German if it wasn't for us"?

[December Flower]

This is certainly true. We call it being 'morally bankrupt'. The only caveat would have been if the RAF had achieved a couple more Hamburgs in 1943. That would have caused Germany to surrender (according to Speer).

Fucking gruesome if you ask me. I got patients who are still after 80 years living through trauma because they had to dig family members' and neighbours corpses out of the rubble when they were around 5 -10 years old. Lots still have nightmares from it. And they were kids, that's the worst of it, the males especially had to be "the man in the house" at under 10 years old. Get a job, the works

 

[December Flower]

And who helped us rebuild? Russians and Poles. That's why so many to this day live here.

I find it fucked up and nobody can tell me US or UK are "the good guys". That's just biased BS

 

[Fertile]

History is written by the winners. But don't expect moral motives in ANY war.

 

[RedRum OG]

And who helped us rebuild? Russians and Poles. That's why so many to this day live here.

I find it fucked up and nobody can tell me US or UK are "the good guys". That's just biased BS

I'm waiting for you to tell me who are the "good guys" in that war. If you say Germany, you're a fucking madman. If you say England, you're a fucking madman. If you say Japan, you're a fucking madman. If you say Russia, you're a fucking madman. If you say Italy, you're a fucking madman.

You know, we have people in the USA who get really sensitive about Nazis getting absolutely fucked up the ass, while claiming its actually about something else, like the civilians. It's not as subtle as they think. Civilians died on all sides.

Germany mostly instigated the war. I don't see how a country that started that war over land-greed, racism, outdated strategies, bad science, paranormal worship, and old grudges is playing victim. Not to mention, fire bombing and the like may be awful, much like dropping a nuke on Japan, but it's entirely possible those actions actually saved lives and pain overall, because Germany/Japan wasn't going to stop until it was forced to stop

Your leader represents you, it sucks, but that's how it is. Not to mention, hitler was wildly popular in Germany. He had some unprecedented high percentage of votes like 35%. I have a feeling the reason you're so sensitive when it comes to America in the first place is more due to our shitty leaders' shitty decisions, than our entire population being shitty. Hypocritical, no? If you want someone to blame, blame your leaders with the tiny brains and the big balls. They had the element of surprise and still managed to lose. And they were the ones who started the death ball rolling, not their enemies.

 

[December Flower]

I'm waiting for you to tell me who are the "good guys" in that war. If you say Germany, you're a fucking madman. If you say England, you're a fucking madman. If you say Japan, you're a fucking madman. If you say Russia, you're a fucking madman. If you say Italy, you're a fucking madman

Germany mostly instigated the war. I don't see how a country that started that war over land-greed, racism, bad science, and old grudges is playing victim.

Your leader represents you, it sucks, but that's how it is. Not to mention, hitler was wildly popular in Germany. He had some unprecedented high percentage of votes like 35%. I have a feeling the reason you're so sensitive when it comes to America in the first place is more due to our shitty leaders' shitty decisions, than our entire population being shitty. Hypocritical, no?

How about no one?

I said it a bunch of times; those who crave power want to use it too, and good people don't crave power

 

[December Flower]

France didn't do anything bad, but they are pussies

 

[RedRum OG]

How about no one?

I said it a bunch of times; those who crave power want to use it too, and good people don't crave power

Power? Remind me what the Nazis goals were? You know- the people who chose to start the conflict?

 

[Droppersneck]

Seeing how fake everything is in recent years, I do wonder what really happened in WW2. Seems like it was Germany making a stand against the Rothschild banking cartel, and ultimately losing.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Seeing how fake everything is in recent years, I do wonder what really happened in WW2. Seems like it was Germany making a stand against the Rothschild banking cartel, and ultimately losing.

If that is true, and it might have some germ of truth to it, is the answer genocide of the Jews?
Although I might personally support that for American oligarchs, I guess I have to say it ain't a good idea.

December Flower I lost track of times I wanted to call bullsh@t a while back. I will say that there are no heroes in war. When I hear about things like Calley in Viet Nam and even Abu Ghraib in Iraq, I wonder how I would be acting if I saw my buddy killed in a war. War makes men into animals. That's why you don't want war.

After the fact, I guess you do have to focus on who started the sh@tshow.

Familiar with this painting?

Guernica, by Picasso



As to bombing civilians.




Вы русский тролль?

 

[Fertile]

Seeing how fake everything is in recent years, I do wonder what really happened in WW2. Seems like it was Germany making a stand against the Rothschild banking cartel, and ultimately losing.

Fair to say that by WW1 the Rothschild empire in decline and of course the Nazis bought the remaining parts (in France and Germany) for a fraction of their actual worth. So they were pretty much gone by 1941.

So no, Germany was not 'making a stand'. It's not like they didn't do JUST the same to all of the banking empires in an act of plundering. It was Ford & GM who were the huge financial (and industrial) players in Nazi Germany all the way up to 1941. Want trucks modified to feed exhaust into transport compartment - Ford got ya.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Russia defeated us. US defeated Italy and Japan. O and helped free France. West Front was mostly youths and kids so.. Good job there. As I said our main hosts died in Russia, France was scarcely manned

Im saying that USA claims it beat Germany which just isn't true. And they kinda take the glory away from Russia, when Russia lost far over 10 million men in 6 years of war and US joined at the very end and was completely isolated before PH. Even had good relations w Nazi Germany, but came when they smelled the spoils.

yea but you guys were mad because we were helping the UK, France and Russia with munitions and fuel and raw materials


here's a few quotes from your Russian friends:



"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."

Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.

"If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me."

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

yea but you guys were mad because we were helping the UK, France and Russia with munitions and fuel and raw materials

This

Although the US dis not have actual troops involved before the Pearl Harbor attack the US heavily supported war efforts through the "Lend Lease Act" and other means to supply Britain with whatever it needed in the Battle of Britain that stalled out the German advances in Europe. It's entire manufacturing output was used to supply much of what was needed for Allied War effort.

Later the US actually entered the was militarily and tipped the war in favor of the Allied Forces.

Wars are not just won with the Military, the Military requires the manufacturing / fuel / and ammunition that industry and agriculture supplies.

 

[CFC]

And who helped us rebuild? Russians and Poles. That's why so many to this day live here.

I find it fucked up and nobody can tell me US or UK are "the good guys". That's just biased BS

The US helped much of Europe rebuild, unquestionably. The Soviets denied most of their satellite realms from accepting US funds though. And in the West (Germany), it was the Turks who helped with much of the rebuild effort, certainly not the Russians.

France didn't do anything bad, but they are pussies

The French in WW2 were apathetically led by donkeys into absurd strategic blunders (and partly thanks to a total lack of support from the pathetic Conservative leadership in the UK). But from a military POV generally, I'd put the French at least on a level with the Germans, with the Brits, Americans, Russians and Italians to varying degrees below both.

This

Although the US dis not have actual troops involved before the Pearl Harbor attack the US heavily supported war efforts through the "Lend Lease Act" and other means to supply Britain with whatever it needed in the Battle of Britain that stalled out the German advances in Europe. It's entire manufacturing output was used to supply much of what was needed for Allied War effort.

Later the US actually entered the was militarily and tipped the war in favor of the Allied Forces.

Wars are not just won with the Military, the Military requires the manufacturing / fuel / and ammunition that industry and agriculture supplies.

Absolutely. Total wars that last a number of years are mostly about sustainable economics and military production. When you compare Axis with Allies, you soon begin to understand how improbable a victory for the Axis was likely to be once the conflict started to stretch on.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

the only negative talk in this thread are from the US haters

you can claim you're not US haters all you want, but you really are just US haters


you hate us and that's your problem - you want it to be our problem but it's not - it's still your problem

 

[December Flower]

Power? Remind me what the Nazis goals were? You know- the people who chose to start the conflict?

Are you lacking the reading comprehension to determine that I said there are no "good guys"? I need to know these things or conversing is very difficult.

Not meant as an insult, just wondering. Since ur trying to tell me that the Nazis were bad. I know that. You explain to me however how our women and children were evil enough to deserve this. Maybe you don't know how crazy the bombing was and how many cities were 90%+ destroyed

 

[December Flower]

The US helped much of Europe rebuild, unquestionably. The Soviets denied most of their satellite realms from accepting US funds though. And in the West (Germany), it was the Turks who helped with much of the rebuild effort, certainly not the Russians.



The French in WW2 were apathetically led by donkeys into absurd strategic blunders (and partly thanks to a total lack of support from the pathetic Conservative leadership in the UK). But from a military POV generally, I'd put the French at least on a level with the Germans, with the Brits, Americans, Russians and Italians to varying degrees below both.




Absolutely. Total wars that last a number of years are mostly about sustainable economics and military production. When you compare Axis with Allies, you soon begin to understand how improbable a victory for the Axis was likely to be once the conflict started to stretch on.

Ababab. The US sent money... What good is money when everything is in rubbles? Russians came here themselves to help rebuild. Which is pretty awesome, and it was Russian civilians who helped btw. Turks helped too that's true, but srsly.. Russians. Russian civilians.

 

[December Flower]

yea but you guys were mad because we were helping the UK, France and Russia with munitions and fuel and raw materials


here's a few quotes from your Russian friends:



"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."

Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.

"If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me."

This is a matter of opinion. US did drop money, Russia dropped 26 million lives. What's worth more? That's to be determined by yourself.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

You explain to me however how our women and children were evil enough to deserve this. Maybe you don't know how crazy the bombing was and how many cities were 90%+ destroyed

"Those trying to escape were cut down by the strafing machine guns of fighter planes. "They kept just going back and forth, sometimes in a long line, sometimes in close formation. It was as if they were practicing new moves. They must have fired thousands of bullets." (eyewitness Juan Guezureya) The fires that engulfed the city burned for three days. Seventy percent of the town was destroyed. Sixteen hundred civilians - one third of the population - were killed or wounded."
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"Guernica had served as the testing ground for a new Nazi military tactic - blanket-bombing a civilian population to demoralize the enemy. It was wanton, man-made holocaust."

Quick little read.
1937. Before even the civilian bombings of Poland and England.

Before you say, "There are no good guys.", read my previous post.

Guernica - bombing of Guernica

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

This is a matter of opinion. US did drop money, Russia dropped 26 million lives. What's worth more? That's to be determined by yourself.

Yea the nice place that you're from killed all those Russians

It was all fun and games until you ran out of meth

 

[RedRum OG]

Seeing how fake everything is in recent years, I do wonder what really happened in WW2. Seems like it was Germany making a stand against the Rothschild banking cartel, and ultimately losing.

Do you want to have a fact-based discussion about the reality of history? Something tells me you'd prefer an emotion-based echo chamber about the fantasy of your LARP you have going there?

Are you lacking the reading comprehension to determine that I said there are no "good guys"? I need to know these things or conversing is very difficult.

Not meant as an insult, just wondering. Since ur trying to tell me that the Nazis were bad. I know that. You explain to me however how our women and children were evil enough to deserve this. Maybe you don't know how crazy the bombing was and how many cities were 90%+ destroyed

I'm asking you to consider why those cities were bombed. Who chose to put those citizens at risk? Who broke the peace knowing their citizens would pay for it and they would be safe in their bunkers? Who was trying to take over the world because of their hubris, greed, and selfishness?