Why do Americans say shit about ww2 like "you'd be speaking German if it wasn't for us"?

[December Flower]

Yea the nice place that you're from killed all those Russians

It was all fun and games until you ran out of meth

don't think they ran out of meth.

but the video of Hitler masturbating with his gun on meth is one of my favs prolly

Do you want to have a fact-based discussion about the reality of history? Something tells me you'd prefer an emotion-based echo chamber about the fantasy of your LARP you have going there?




I'm asking you to consider why those cities were bombed. Who chose to put those citizens at risk? Who broke the peace knowing their citizens would pay for it and they would be safe in their bunkers? Who was trying to take over the world because of their hubris, greed, and selfishness?

nonono, sweetie i'm German. I'm a therapist and specialize in gerontology. I have at least 50 patients with crazy childhood remembrances from that time. I mean srsly fucked up shit, and they were kids, they did nothing wrong.

Why were those cities bombed hm? Why didn't the allies go after Hitler like Russia? Why did you bomb everything, instead of just going for fucking Berlin? There is no logical explanation other than to say "we did something yay, now we the victors"

 

[brokedownpalace10]

This is a matter of opinion. US did drop money, Russia dropped 26 million lives. What's worth more? That's to be determined by yourself.

The Russians divvied up Poland with Hitler and began raping and enslaving it's population before Der Fuhrer turned on them too.

They were instrumental in winning the war, yes, but they were notorious for mass murder, deportation to forced labor, and raping civilian women before they were even fighting Germany. Ukraine is fighting with everything they have because some of their civilians remember German atrocities before Russia was even fighting with Germany. (Ukraine was part of Poland at the time) Those continued after the war.

Get with the pogrom.

Prolly a lot of Russian DNA unwillingly in Ukraine... and in your country as well. Maybe some of your patients remember that German soldiers and civilians were terrified of the Russians being the ones who reached them first.


Путин - военный преступник

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Why were those cities bombed hm? Why didn't the allies go after Hitler like Russia? Why did you bomb everything, instead of just going for fucking Berlin? There is no logical explanation other than to say "we did something yay, now we the victors"

why did you guys kill all those jews?

 

[December Flower]

why did you guys kill all those jews?

Well first off, Jews were not the main antagonist of the Nazis. In fact more Communists and Slavs were gassed and killed than Jews. The Jews were just the loudest about it, as they were the first group the Nazis declared their enemies. Wait that's incorrect, the Communists were the first enemies.

Second: Again: how do your opponents' methods make yours more moral? I'm not asking you to be better than some angelic nation here, asking you to be better than icecold systematic mass-murderers. You can't just say "but the Nazis were evil so they deserved it" - how were the fucking children even Nazis?
And how was it the fault of women and children, who had no right to vote in the first place?
And the US/UK knew the cities were full of women and children, because they knew our hosts were defeated.
And funnily enough they also knew that Germany was losing already, so there was really no point in it other than to royally fuck over the country for decades to come.
So..call me weird, but good guys don't do that..

Again, I'm not saying European politicians are better than yours, I'm saying that all powerful politicians are fucked up inhumane greedy pieces of shit without any concern for human life. Those with power want to test it.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

As has been previously stated, the Nazis were not "defeated", although it may have been inevitable at the time.

Ya know what? If I knew someone was gonna kill my women and children if they were not stopped, I would likely support killing their women and children to help stop them.

And I'm a peacenik.


You do seem to be pointing out everyone's issues but the Russian's. What's up with that?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Well first off, Jews were not the main antagonist of the Nazis. In fact more Communists and Slavs were gassed and killed than Jews. The Jews were just the loudest about it, as they were the first group the Nazis declared their enemies. Wait that's incorrect, the Communists were the first enemies.

Second: Again: how do your opponents' methods make yours more moral? I'm not asking you to be better than some angelic nation here, asking you to be better than icecold systematic mass-murderers. You can't just say "but the Nazis were evil so they deserved it" - how were the fucking children even Nazis?
And how was it the fault of women and children, who had no right to vote in the first place?
And the US/UK knew the cities were full of women and children, because they knew our hosts were defeated.
And funnily enough they also knew that Germany was losing already, so there was really no point in it other than to royally fuck over the country for decades to come.
So..call me weird, but good guys don't do that..

Again, I'm not saying European politicians are better than yours, I'm saying that all powerful politicians are fucked up inhumane greedy pieces of shit without any concern for human life. Those with power want to test it.

what about all the children that you guys killed? they were Jews so they deserved it too?

everything you're crying about, is exactly what your country did to other innocent ppl...and now you wanna know why it was done to your people?

you got a lot of fuckin nerve

 

[December Flower]

As has been previously stated, the Nazis were not "defeated", although it may have been inevitable at the time.

Ya know what? If I knew someone was gonna kill my women and children if they were not stopped, I would likely support killing their women and children.

And I'm a peacenik.


You do seem to be pointing out everyone's issues but the Russian's. What's up with that?

What do you want to hear? that they plundered and raped through Bohemia and Silesia? Yeah they did. I mean their soldiers did. But still, they absolutely did that.
But I'm German. We betrayed Russia not once, but twice, in both WW.
And we didn't just betray them, their civilians helped us rebuild, there's at least 20% or more ppl living here who are from ex USSR, many of their families came here to rebuild.

Towards Russia, all a German can do historically is be ashamed of how we treated them.

what about all the children that you guys killed? they were Jews so they deserved it too?

everything you're crying about, is exactly what your country did to other innocent ppl...and now you wanna know why it was done to your people?

you got a lot of fuckin nerve

again, why are you competing with nazi germany here?
why are you trying to "be better" than the fucking devil?

OK say you got a crazy mass murderer, and you say "that guy was evil as fuck. but I'm a good guy, because the only people I killed were his family"

Why compete with the crazy mass murderer?

No they did not fucking deserve it. But why do something just as bad ?
Yes the NSDAP did fucked up thing, but i'm asking you again: how was it the women's and children's fault F F S?!
and why are you trying to be just barely better than the NSDAP?! like wtf

this is fucking trolling and I'm out, srsly. stop writing ffs, my OCDs can't handle this shit i always need to answer.
I wanted to stop talking about this shit 2 days ago and you keep me in. please just stop answering

 

[CFC]

Ababab. The US sent money... What good is money when everything is in rubbles? Russians came here themselves to help rebuild. Which is pretty awesome, and it was Russian civilians who helped btw. Turks helped too that's true, but srsly.. Russians. Russian civilians.

Hmm, well I agree there were lots of Russians in East Germany following WW2. However they weren't there rebuilding - quite the opposite. They dismantled and shipped away by rail something like 60-70% of the entire industrial base for 'reparations' and reconstructed it back in the USSR. They wanted to do the same in the West but the Brits (mostly) and the US refused to let them.

 

[CFC]

this is fucking trolling and I'm out, srsly. stop writing ffs, my OCDs can't handle this shit i always need to answer.
I wanted to stop talking about this shit 2 days ago and you keep me in. please just stop answering

It does read a bit like a pile-on in here so I can appreciate you feeling targeted. But you're definitely not obliged to respond to everything mate, even if you don't agree with something someone says

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

he just gets upset when he's wrong

 

[December Flower]

And sorry, for all the "help" you did us by bombing our cities with children and women in them,

you helped a shitload of nazis escape through paperclip and other Rattentunnel,

so please...moral was the last thing on the mind of US gov
you helped Nazis fucking flee and get new identities. Where is your excuse for that?
They all deserved to be hung by their balls, but instead you let them escape to the USA and get new identities,
and bombed our civilians instead.

It does read a bit like a pile-on in here so I can appreciate you feeling targeted. But you're definitely not obliged to respond to everything mate, even if you don't agree with something someone says

it's my ocds, i just can't not answer, fucks me up too.
I'm getting pissed logging on atm, because they won't leave me alone with their fucking blind all hail america bullshit
nobody can be that dull, and i feel fucking disrespected by these people, as they don't read what I write apparently, since I've been explaining the same stuff over and over and over and over again, hoping at one point they will finally get what I'm saying.

No i'm not defending nazi Germany, and yes, by saying "we just killed your women and children because your gov was so evil", you're just saying that your gov is evil. w/e, i'll just pray that he won't answer again

 

[CFC]

he just gets upset when he's wrong

Right? Wrong? Lots of what I'm reading above is fundamentally to do with the obfuscation of nuance and different points of view or perspectives on essentially the same thing.

The reality is none of you believe that the killing of women, children, jews or anyone else without damn good reason is justifiable in any situation or circumstance and I can be pretty certain of that.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

I'm getting pissed logging on atm, because they won't leave me alone with their fucking blind all hail america bullshit

then log the fuck off

because all you do is attempt to shit on America - for everything - it's all our fault - always

 

[December Flower]

Hmm, well I agree there were lots of Russians in East Germany following WW2. However they weren't there rebuilding - quite the opposite. They dismantled and shipped away by rail something like 60-70% of the entire industrial base for 'reparations' and reconstructed it back in the USSR. They wanted to do the same in the West but the Brits (mostly) and the US refused to let them.

It was at least 1 mio Turks that came here, well here in Bavs most were Italian actually.
But yeah Russians in East Germany, mostly, but they helped rebuild the cities so I don't really see your point..?
They did reconstruct all the cities in the East, so ..hm

then log the fuck off

because all you do is attempt to shit on America - for everything - it's all our fault - always

a lot is.

and I'm shitting on your opinion that America are "the good guys", because that opinion deserves all the diarrhea it can get.
You're not the fucking good guys, and are far from it. And anyone who tells me historical things in such a blatantly one-sided way has never really researched history. There's never a one-sided story, unless what you're reading is propaganda. And I know the US does a lot of propaganda towards its own people.

Fuck, you even say Americans didn't steal the Natives' land, do you even know how fucking insane that opinion is? How fucking disrespectful that is?! Would you say that to a Native American chief?! Ofc you wouldn't

And then you defend killing women and children by saying "but your gov killed people too" - MY GOV WAS LED BY THE FUCKING INCARNATION OF SATAN. there's no point in saying "but I'm better than Satan, at least"....ok?! thanks.

I'm not even saying you're "the bad guys", i'm saying powerful governments in general are evil.
if you don't get that, and take all critical opinion of the US as an attack on your fucking freedom or fucking whatever, then don't speak history, because apparently you don't have the stomach for history.

You still haven't reacted to anything about ..hm..America attacking country after country after country for now 80 years? Stealing their resources, oil. Selling them weapons first, then attacking with better weapons and taking back the weapons? Does all of this not ring a bell? If you're so blatantly of the opinion that America has never made mistakes, I would advise you to actually read a history book for once.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Germans view of the war is kind of weird…..you guys were literally the evil of the world that the rest of the world decided to stomp out together, that how gross Germany was

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Oooo shit I started a FIGHT lol.
'MURICA vs The Rest of the World and The Truth

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Oooo shit I started a FIGHT lol.
'MURICA vs The Rest of the World and The Truth

And you know murica always wins baby!

 

[Fertile]

Paperclip removed about 1600 scientists (and certainly not all Nazis) but Russia had Operation Osoaviakhim which expropriated far more. Some quotes as high as 10,000- but that is just 1 source. Why? Because German technology was far in advance of other nations in certain fields.

People like Gernot Zippe who essentially developed all of the key features of a centrifuge that separate 235U & 239U. I guess Russia was further behind so had the greater need.

I should add that Hitler did issue the Nero Decree that sought to employ a scorched earth policy on Germany itself. It was intercepted, but it would have been quite possible to let German soldiers destroy Germany to the last brick. If someone had then taken the option of NOT providing emergency housing or food... the population of Germany could have, have been utterly destroyed.

I don't say this as someone who would agree with it for Germany has natural resources, but I cannot help thinking that a US or Russian miner could have equally accessed such resources. History IS littered with entire nations destroyed to the last man. Certainly their WERE people who supported the option.

BTW kids of all the occupied nations AND the UK ALSO had to dig dead relatives out of destroyed homes and it affected them for the rest of their lives. So don't try to use THAT suffering as something unique - it won't wash..

 

[December Flower]

Right? Wrong? Lots of what I'm reading above is fundamentally to do with the obfuscation of nuance and different points of view or perspectives on essentially the same thing.

The reality is none of you believe that the killing of women, children, jews or anyone else without damn good reason is justifiable in any situation or circumstance and I can be pretty certain of that.

yeah that's pretty much what i'm saying. how is killing civilians ever OK?

and I keep fighting that, to no avail.

But krinkly says it's good to kill women and children, as long as they're Germans.
Also that Europeans killed Native Americans, and the Americans living in the US now
have nothing to do with those, because they call themselves Americans and not Europeans,
so they aren't Europeans, and it's apparently the fault of Europeans now living in Europe,
although we have no blood relation to the people who killed Native Americans. Yeah i shit you not...

Germans view of the war is kind of weird…..you guys were literally the evil of the world that the rest of the world decided to stomp out together, that how gross Germany was

it's just complex to be German. We can't just go "Awww my country is so awesome and the best and the freeest and most awesome country in the world, if i could cum inside it i would" - we have to look at everything from a third person. we have to apply logic, and see things for how they happened. we don't have a "team" like you guys, so we're not biased.

Americans are so fucking biased, it's impossible to have discussions about this with many Americans... very sad because those discussions would be super interesting. How is it living under such a crazy government? I would love to know, but all I get is fascist borderline-nazi shit

 

[Las Veghost grower]

well it’s actually pretty kick ass living in America, I take my assault rifle on my morning jog and fire rounds off at stray cats, nobody gives a shit cause this the land of the free honey