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Why can't I throw a decent game of darts without a stimulant?

greenberryhaze

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Disclaimer, the following post will be composed with use of stimulants, so forgive me for my less than cunning verbosity:

I have, over the last year or so, made a semi-serious effort to learning darts. Though showing moderate talent for most games of physical prowess I've tried, I'm naturally abysmal at this one, which really pisses me off, thereby motivating me to try and develop some at least reasonably effective technique. Despite throwing a retarded amount of time at the problem, far more than I would devote to any real life pursuit, my progression is exceeding slow. I guess I've made a little progress, over almost a year of tossing every time I smoke a cigarette and then some, but I still throw, at best, like a good beginner, despite that I am not.

One ray of hope, I have learned to play pretty well on stimulants, mostly methylphenidate and adderall or vyvanse. At first the difference was slight, but over time my stimmy-game has vastly out developed my sober one, it's almost scary how big of a difference it makes, like sober i'm throwing at 20 and hitting the wall, south of 19 or something, and on stims I can hammer any number i wish for periods exceeding an hour. Although I take vyvanse semi-regularly for add, and the therapeutic dose is plenty for darts, I'm not satisfied with the current state of affairs. Being ultra competitive, I only like to rely on drugs for serious things like life, not for trivial games of skill.

What gives? I've, more times than I can count, thought I figured out what I was doing differently, sought to replicate this, and failed miserably. One thing I'm sure it isn't is some kind of improvement in concentration, i can be barely paying attention and still throw much better on stims than with all the concentration I can muster sober, which is a respectable amount. I thought maybe it had something to do with improved, proprioception, it may still be the answer, but exercises to improve this outside drug land have yielded nothing.

I should add, if for some reason you're still reading, that this doesn't happen in any other sport (soccer, table tennis, etc.), i see only mild improvements which I can easily attribute to improved energy and concentration. Also, no other drugs help, alcohol, benzos, opiates, weed, lesser stimulants, etc are no use. It doesn't take much of a dose of dex to improve my game, and taking too much or taking other drugs in combo only detracts slightly. My best current theory is that it affects muscle tension, resulting in subtle but significant changes to my technique, but even videotape has not showed me any pertinent differences in motion.

Can someone shed some light on this sillyness so i can shut the fuck up already?
 
With something like darts, where dexterity, accuracy, and precision reign supreme, medicating ADD will greatly help. You might think you're paying attention in a sober mindstate, and the videotapes might show the same exact form, but there are very subtle hand motions that might be not as precise when you are not on your ADD medication.

Taking too much detracts slightly because concentration and focus actually go down when you are taking too high of an amphetamine dosage.

Having said that, you shouldn't have to take ADD medications to play darts, and if you absolutely have to, I would say taking any more than 30-35mg Vyvanse gives you an unfair advantage, no matter how bad your ADD is. This is unless you have destroyed your DA receptors through previous amphetamine/methamphetamine abuse, i which I would say that 50mg should be more than enough. Other dart players might have ADD, too, they're just not taking speed in order to play a board game on their free time.
 
I can certainly relate to this actually. I found some activities during my years of stim abuse, that i was only good at while speedin. I believe part of it has to do with the changes in mood that stims give a person. This may not be true for you, but people tend to perform better when they are happy, comfortable, and not to anxious. Amphetamines usually boost your mood and confidence greatly, and could lead to improvements in such activities.

Also amphetamines increase awareness, reaction speed, and fine motor skills in some. It also can lower your fine motor skills if taken in excess.
Throwing darts takes a very precise toss and the slightest lack of concentration or mishaps in your motor skills will make darts a guessing game.


Ohhh man, this took me like 25 mins to write.. havnt slept in a good 48 hours and my brain is runnin the speed of a legless human
 
This is me with just about any video game, ball game or game of skill.

It's just the reaction time. It is as if your body is able to move much more gracefully, but at a high speed. They truly do increase your accuracy, precision and reaction time.
 
This is me with just about any video game, ball game or game of skill.

It's just the reaction time. It is as if your body is able to move much more gracefully, but at a high speed. They truly do increase your accuracy, precision and reaction time.

BINGO!! not literally bingo like the game.. referring to your comment

I only play cod on my computer while on stims. If im not i dont find it real fun and im not nearly as good.
 
Darts 'A game of gods'
Great to see a mention of this wonderful game on bl.

It's an incredibly hard game to master. 1 year is nothing. I've been playing for 2 years + only just got to pub level - That is; throwing a treb 20 on average every 8 darts.
I'm certainly better with a pint. But i wouldn't play with stims at all (except coffee). I'd without doubt get an idea in my head i wasn't naturally good at throwing and only capable on drugs.
Practice, practice + more practice is the only way to get good at this!
 
Some dexedrine and inderal and you will be next world champion! :?

In the end it all comes down to how much time (experience) and effort you put in it your practice and how badly you want to win it.

I hate to take dexedrine but I also hate my ADD.
 
State dependant learning.
Increased focus.
Increased concentration.

Here is the tricky one to be careful of, psychological addiction. Don't let yourself get tricked into needing a drug of dependance to do anything, otherwise you wont be able too.
 
Everyone has touched on the main key points I believe. You can't record yourself on stims and not on stims and see a difference in momvemnts and things. Like Ergic said, it's all very subtle. Your brain is going into a super mode ,if you will, on amphetamines. At the right does, almost everything is improved. I don't knoew enough about it to go into as much detail as others have, but I do have first hand experience like the others. I could rock anyone in a video game, playing basketball or even bowling while on amps.

Amphetamine is such a miracle drug in that way, it reminds me of the movie Limited(or Unlimited or something like that,lol.) It activates so many important parts of your brain it makes you an all around savage. If there wan't such a nasty crash and harmful side effects I'd still be popping those pink footbal shapped babies today, haha. Anyways, I've never played darts but it sounds like it's almost made for amphetamine use. Amphetamine will help with every skill you need to play darts. However, I would stick to practicing sober. You may psychologically accociate stims and darts so much you might never want to play sober again.
 
this is how i feel boxing.

without amphetamines i'm just a regular boxer who has some moves, when i know i am relatively good at the sport.

on amphetamine i am mike tyson, i am unstoppable and it is actually visibly noticeable with regards to speed and power that i have when i have taken my dexedrine prior to training. i go face first into sparring sessions and want to take on the world and never get knocked out or beaten. without them i do.

like olab has said - you should really mix it up if you take amphetamines, i practice at least 70% of the time sober so that I know i have my key basic skills on track and am able to participate in my sport without the use of drugs, and at a relatively high level too, amphetamines just seem to give you that kick, that extra second which is crucial to your survival, but i know i can replicate it without the drugs too if i put my mind to it.

it was only after being diagnosed with ADHD i realized that amphetamines are such an unfair boost to my sport.

that being said though - if i train after taking amphetamine i am MUCH more prone to injury, i don't know if this is a danger in darts though :p
 
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