Heroin Why can't I feel my dope anymore?

[TheLostBoys]

That's why H is such a bitch. It teases you with the promise of its everlasting golden glow, then once you're hooked it turns round and says 'no, sorry, I don't do that anymore, sucker. Now get out there and feed me.'

This is so sad but its reality................

 

[OGstickyswisher]

Oh, I didn't realize you were there monitoring the amount of H we all did, my bad.

This was Hollywood in the mid 90's. I was surrounded by hardcore junkies. One of the first things I was taught was use the smallest amount of water possible.

Thanks for your input.

.....I'm not sure you realize what statements you made in your post previous to this.
Heroin is measured in mg's.
Water/saline/liquid in your syringe is measured by cc's, ml's, or units.

As far as I am concerned, according to your first post there was no recorded amount of heroin use at all but rather only how much water was used in a syringe.

Don't get me wrong I'm not 'attacking' you or anything - your post just didn't make sense is all.
The amount of water isn't all that relevant.

 

[driftr]

.....I'm not sure you realize what statements you made in your post previous to this.
Heroin is measured in mg's.
Water/saline/liquid in your syringe is measured by cc's, ml's, or units.

As far as I am concerned, according to your first post there was no recorded amount of heroin use at all but rather only how much water was used in a syringe.

Don't get me wrong I'm not 'attacking' you or anything - your post just didn't make sense is all.
The amount of water isn't all that relevant.

Ok well let me clarify since you seem to think I'm some wannabe who has a friend of a friend who saw someone shoot tar once.

I have no idea what the weight was because I bought $20's and $40's along with everyone else in Hollywood and we weren't interested in breaking out the scale because we had better things to do. But when I say 60 units you can rest assured this is the thickest, least diluted shit you could possibly draw through a 27g needle. It was common practice to have to add more water after failing to get it in there on the first attempt on account of knowing that more water wasn't good for the cause.

Hope that helps.

 

[driftr]

More water/solution doesn't make a shot stronger. More dope/substance does.

You see where your comparison fails yes?
I can shoot 100cc's of water and not feel anything. The minute I add some dope to this, that's when I'll feel the dope.

You're not the first person I've come across to think the amount of water used makes a difference, and I don't understand what makes someone think this.
Isn't something like this obvious?

Since were on the subject.... what in my post gave you the idea I think the more water the better, and what comparison did I make that you were referring to?

All I said was I watched a friend do some pretty gnarly shots. A 60 unit shot or any amount for that matter has the least amount of water in it possible. I guess I just assumed this would be obvious, and for that I apologize.

 

[OGstickyswisher]

Since were on the subject.... what in my post gave you the idea I think the more water the better, and what comparison did I make that you were referring to?

In your post you said:

for about a year, and while my habit never had me doing more than 20 or 30 units at a time, I had a friend who was full steam ahead. I watched him do 60+ unit shots

When you are saying "20-30 units" & "60units" I assume you are talking about how much water is in the syringe, considering that is how it is measured. When you say this you are saying nothing about how much heroin is used. Unless the more tar you use means you are going to have to use more water - I don't see how I or anyone is supposed to know the amount of heroin used; large or small (if this is the case forgive me, I've never dealt with black tar).

See what I mean?

Also when you say

A 60 unit shot or any amount for that matter has the least amount of water in it possible

This also confuses me. In my mind, a 60 unit shot means you are using 60 units of water; and the amount of heroin is not mentioned.

At this point in time I assume when you say "20-30 units" or "60 units" I assume you are talking about the amount of heroin used.
Because how I measure my usage goes as so:

My average shot I pour out about 10-15mg of heroin into my spoon. Then I mix in about 30units of water, and there's my solution.

Maybe this will help you understand my confusion

 

[driftr]

This is becoming tiresome. I'm talking about the finished product ready for injection. Picture a rig with 60 units of black in it. I have no idea how much water was used because we didn't bust out the beakers, flasks, and scales like apparently some do. We didn't have a recipe. It was trial and error. Once you figure it out it becomes second nature not to put too much water in it. If you mix up a 20 unit shot and a 40 unit shot is the mixture the same only ones bigger than the other? Wouldn't that make sense?

I find it funny that you assume I think a small amount of H is amplified just by adding water lol

Next time I'll take notes and report back to you on the weights and measures.

Now I'm officially done hijacking this nice lady's thread.

Good day, sir.

 

[OGstickyswisher]

Right. I apologize for the slight hijacking as well. I've taken this else where and PM'd driftr

But if someone is going to respond to this thread, and you've read over what me and driftr were talking about. Would you just please add into at the end of your response if anyone understand what driftr is trying to say or what he means; do you see where my confusion comes from?

 

[DrCrumbs]

It could also be that what your getting is mostly morphine, since your getting the pins and needles and not a rush.

 

[Come real or not a]

What I've learned in my years of treatment centers lectures on the effects drugs have on the brain is this: Basically when your using drugs such a heroin your brain is producing mass amounts of dopamine. Naturally our brain produces dopamine, which makes us feel good...but with opiates, meth amphetamine, ect our brain begins producing large amounts of dopamine (much more then our brain would produce naturally), so when you have been a active user/abuser for a long period of time your brain has a hard time producing the amount of dopamine required to get you fucked up. In other words your body builds a tolerence for this drug and it takes more and more to produce the same effects. Well eventually your brain becomes almost depleted of its ability to produce dopamine and you get the feeling that no matter how much dope you do you cant fuckin get high. I actually started a thread back in february regarding this same feeling with slamming meth. Maybe if you could get on some Suboxone/subutex for a bit to avoid getting sick you can give ur brain a chance to heal where it can produce dopamine agian...and if u get on suboxone maybe you'll decide u dont want to do heroin any more. I know how your feeling and fuck the term junkie. Addicts are all people with a very sad disease called addiction and anyone who wants to talk shit or call names is clearly just ignorant to this. Don't label yourself a junkie, just accept that you have a drug problem to treat....don't let this drug convince you that it's who you are, you are still you, your just fogged by this disease. dont loose yourself!

 

[ms4104]

This is becoming tiresome. I'm talking about the finished product ready for injection. Picture a rig with 60 units of black in it. I have no idea how much water was used because we didn't bust out the beakers, flasks, and scales like apparently some do. We didn't have a recipe. It was trial and error. Once you figure it out it becomes second nature not to put too much water in it. If you mix up a 20 unit shot and a 40 unit shot is the mixture the same only ones bigger than the other? Wouldn't that make sense?

I find it funny that you assume I think a small amount of H is amplified just by adding water lol

Next time I'll take notes and report back to you on the weights and measures.

Now I'm officially done hijacking this nice lady's thread.

Good day, sir.

It's pretty easy.. instead of saying I do 60 unit shots.. say I do .2 gram shots. Then there is no confusion. Dude is right..your measuring arbitrary numbers...

 

[driftr]

It's pretty easy.. instead of saying I do 60 unit shots.. say I do .2 gram shots. Then there is no confusion. Dude is right..your measuring arbitrary numbers...

Here is what I said to him in PM.....

The 30mg and 30 units is too technical for me. I've never done it that way. When I scored, I opened the balloon, broke a piece off that looked like the amount I wanted at the time, filled a syringe with water(never recording how much was in there), and squirted it over the tar until I was satisfied I had the proper amount. Even the few times I did powder, I did it the exact same way. To this day I couldn't even tell you how much was in those balloons... I just know how much they cost.

So when I talk of heroin, I think of it in terms of a loaded rig, and how many units I ended up with, because getting the consistency the same every time is, in a way, the goal in controlling the intake. To make it JUST thin enough so it would go through the needle is probably the best way to get the best rush. Did you read in a book or something of a recipe to properly slam dope? Maybe you could try and use less water. If your having no problem drawing it up, then take some water out. That's what I would do.... of course, it's your call.

 

[Soccertrendy]

i dont slam but i did understand driftr

i think what he means is when he uses 30 units of water its 30 units of water with the maximum tar able to be dissolved in 30 units same with 60 units, the maximum amount of tar able to be dissolved in 60 units.

And wht hes saying is he doesnt know the amount of heroin, he just knows he uses the least amount of water he can without it blocking the needle and only knows how much is there when he places in the needle. Hence the units measure

Hope this helps everyone

 

[drscience]

i only snort number 4 and always feel a high and get the nod. even when doing a gram a day (and its very good gear) for month straight. ive had this habit for a little over a year and never shot up.

is it the needle maybe? does it "desensitize"" your receptors quicker or something?

 

[Sepher]

My experience is that tolerance ramped up way faster IVed. I maintained a very steady habit for a good coupla years chasing it off foil and could still get a nod out of it. Soon as I went onto the pin dose went up and up very quickly just to feel normal, and eventually became almost impossible to get a nod from a dose I could actually afford.

It may be that the length of time I'd had the habit by then was a contributing factor obviously, but I suspect the rapid hit of a full dose as opposed to a time delayed dose smoking or insufflating desensitises the receptors more. They have a harder slam to cope with.

 

[_Synapse]

I've been IV using black tar heroin for 2 years now and for the last couple weeks I can't feel my shots. I've tried increasing my dose, but it's not working. I've tried using a couple different veins in case the one I was using wasn't any good anymore. I know I'm doing enough because I get pins and needles all over my body. It's really starting to piss me off. I'm sick if I don't do it, but I can't even feel good when I do. I'm a junkie for no reason. Am I doing something wrong? Help.

^ Yeah thats definitely tolerance being a bitch. I could definitely imagine IV would build a harder heavier tolerance due to that rush; to the quote below. It probably does cause desensitization to those receptor sites as well, you're most definitely right about that. A lot of drugs have that over time. It's called the tolerance and dependency.

i only snort number 4 and always feel a high and get the nod. even when doing a gram a day (and its very good gear) for month straight. ive had this habit for a little over a year and never shot up.

is it the needle maybe? does it "desensitize"" your receptors quicker or something?

 

[drscience]

My experience is that tolerance ramped up way faster IVed. I maintained a very steady habit for a good coupla years chasing it off foil and could still get a nod out of it. Soon as I went onto the pin dose went up and up very quickly just to feel normal, and eventually became almost impossible to get a nod from a dose I could actually afford.

It may be that the length of time I'd had the habit by then was a contributing factor obviously, but I suspect the rapid hit of a full dose as opposed to a time delayed dose smoking or insufflating desensitises the receptors more. They have a harder slam to cope with.

my thoughts exactly. my dealer has been doing high quality uncut #4 for at least 8 years, never touched a needle and always gets the nod. his opinion on needles is "i wanna get high, not die"

needles are not a good idea IMO.

 

[OGstickyswisher]

i dont slam but i did understand driftr

i think what he means is when he uses 30 units of water its 30 units of water with the maximum tar able to be dissolved in 30 units same with 60 units, the maximum amount of tar able to be dissolved in 60 units.

And wht hes saying is he doesnt know the amount of heroin, he just knows he uses the least amount of water he can without it blocking the needle and only knows how much is there when he places in the needle. Hence the units measure

Hope this helps everyone

I didn't know there was a 'maximum' amount of tar that could be dissolved in a certain amount of water. Sorry I've never dealt with black tar before, but thanks for clearing that up. There was a lack of interpersonal skills at work here.

i only snort number 4 and always feel a high and get the nod. even when doing a gram a day (and its very good gear) for month straight. ive had this habit for a little over a year and never shot up.

is it the needle maybe? does it "desensitize"" your receptors quicker or something?

Damn, blowing a gram a day of good gear? I guess I never got that into snorting it - and I applaud your strength for not picking up a needle that's where I failed.
I haven't tried blowing it since but I just don't get as high as I used to; maybe its just how I'm perceiving my high though - where that level of high doesn't feel the same as it used to even if your as high as you always get. Follow?
& maybe it is an effect of the needle.

my thoughts exactly. my dealer has been doing high quality uncut #4 for at least 8 years, never touched a needle and always gets the nod. his opinion on needles is "i wanna get high, not die"

needles are not a good idea IMO.

That's so good. If I had virtually limitless supplies of uncut/high quality dope I probably would have never started shooting; I only did to try and conserve my supply; whoa to my surprise it got a little out of control and the plan totally back fired.
Smart bastard.

 

[driftr]

i dont slam but i did understand driftr

i think what he means is when he uses 30 units of water its 30 units of water with the maximum tar able to be dissolved in 30 units same with 60 units, the maximum amount of tar able to be dissolved in 60 units.

And wht hes saying is he doesnt know the amount of heroin, he just knows he uses the least amount of water he can without it blocking the needle and only knows how much is there when he places in the needle. Hence the units measure

Hope this helps everyone

Precisely! Sorry I didn't break it down in such a way.

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[_Synapse]

For what it's worth, your opiate receptors have been stripped, or close to it. Back away from the Tar for awhile (2 weeks or more), I know that's asking too much but taper down with hydrocodon and chew a few benzos (xanax/valium/klonopin), then prepare for massive boredom until your receptors "build up" again. Tar is a wonderful drug but I suspect your veins could use the time off too.

This sounds like very good of advice right here...

Just don't get dependent to the benzos though in that period of time...

 

[drscience]

It never occurred to me that using needles was/is a way to conserve...I always saw it as greedy<--- (not sure if that's the right word) instant gratification.

I used to look down on people that shot up, thinking they were just looking for that instant intense high at the expense of their health....but now i can empathize with the fact that not everyone has access to cheap high quality dope, so they turn to needles as a way to stretch what they have.

I've only been in the heroin game for 1 year and 4 months....and am a little naive I guess so I apologize to needle users for having that uninformed opinion about you guys.