Why can the government tell me what to do?

[elemenohpee]

Reread my original post, I didn't say anything specific about drugs, I just used that as an example. I'm more interested in the question of why they are allowed to tell me anything at all.

 

[L2R]

Why wouldn't they be allowed? You're allowed to call them all cockmasters.

 

[neonads]

They are allowed because there is no unified protest against the issuing of their directives. There is no unified protest because most people have no will to topple the government and/or the time taken to protest in presupposed vain would be better spent elsewhere. They see anarchy as the greater of the two evils.

 

[paranormality]

interesting... the gouvernment needs to be there in order to stop the 'nasty' people from commiting crimes blahblah, ok, so there in there state of power, they enforce certain laws to keep sociaty safe (but are we safe?- were less 'safe' now, in this modern world, especialy in america, where there's the highest gun crime/ murder rate (or one of the highest) going!) and thats supposed to be 'the most protected country in the world' (i live in England by the way) i wouldn't call it protection, well it 'is' there to an extent... but the other stuff they psychologicaly/subliminaly force feed us, creates a mind state and sociaty state far more dangerous than would have been if the higher power wasnt there 'to protect us' in the first place... what im trying to say is that yes there is a level of protection and a set of rules in order to make sociaty run smoothly, but i think this is merely the surface level 'mask' as it were to cover the oh so BLATANT control factor apparent, and blatantly the prime directive of a govournment, hence they create a system where you have to work all the shitty jobs, get paid next to nothing, live in rundown areas where your scared to go out, cuz all the poverty's turned loads to robbery, force fed media fear by this box you got in your house telling you how you should be, making you 'crave' the best pair of trainers or the next aftershave or the nicest 'bling'... making you think you live the life you see on tv, wheras if you turn and look out the window 'thier' the ones livin it up, takin money off you in the form of taxes just because they can, saying its us paying our way in sociaty! WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WANT TO PAY FOR A SHIT HOLE SOCIATY LIKE THIS!!?? if i had choice i 'would' chose anarchy over the empirical shit, as true anarchy means living in a state of equality with no ruling force, where evryone coexists and puts there little bit in and have a full working equal sociaty where there are no rules but it works cuz evryone trys, ok. in this modern world, we're to far gone to have that but they did have for a time back in the sixties, if you'v heard of the peace convoy, where there was a large amount of people living this state of anarchy, coexisting equaly outside of normal sociaty, and IT WORKED for about 2 years at stonehenge, it apparently grew (this anarchy 'zone') to more than twice the size of glastonbury and 'was' a fully working sociaty based on this theory of anarchy... eventualy they became such a threat to the 'state' the riot squads were sent in if you'v heard of the famous 'battle of the bean fields' (where a convoy of peacefull 60's hippie types were going to this anarchy zone (as i keep calling it) the police blocked them off and forced the convoy of about 40 vehicles or so on to these bean field alongside the road, blocked them off from any possable routes from the field and moved in for the 'attack' where the media turned it round to say it was 'crazed hippies attacking police men' when in reality the police went in battons flailling and litteraly beat smashed attacked even killed, men women children pets, they called it 'procesing' which also involved arresting evryone trhat was there taking there children in to care, completely smashing (and in some cases even torching) there vehicles, which you have to understand where these peoples homes, all because these travelers (along with the peace convoy) were becoming so much of a threat to the state the 'state' fucked them over and put an end to it, because it was blatantly showing people (and growing rapidly) that people 'could' live out side of normal sociaty.... since then the govournment arnt taking any chances what so ever and emply new tactics such as psychological persuasion on subconscious level and basicly loads more ways on a much more subliminal level to keep sociaty under control..... why d'you think they'v chenged the police thing from 'to protect and serve' to 'law enforcers' because that is what they are,.... the police are there to stop people like me, like us, from fucking them off because we KNOW its not fair to live in a sociaty like this and they know we know its not fair, thats why they live in high security buildings in rich out of the way areas with really high security presencees blahblah, have you noticed how little help they put in to prottecting the inhabitants of the less richer areas.....

.... we are the underclass................ thats why the gouvernment can tell us what to do....................... cuz we're fucked................. we're all totaly fucked.

nuff said.

 

[protovack]

you asked why the gouvernment can control what you do, the sick truth is, the gouvernment have lost all controll these day to ,oil, mass food (McD's) and mass fashion industries ( nike, ck, adidas e.t.c) their the real problem.... were controled by them, as they need us to constantly 'want' there products in order for then to keep working,

Many thanks to paranormality for hitting the nail on the head. The government is just a bureaucratic entity, nothing more. It exists to provide a golden cage for the masses in which societal parasites such as MNCs can become more powerful.

I hate being that pessimistic though.

Face it, you signed a social contract when you were born into an industrial society to abide by the rules. And according to social contract theory, it is your duty to follow those rules, because:

- When you were born, you had a team of educated doctors making sure you and your mother didn't die.

- You were born in a hospital which was meticulously cleaned (to prevent your death by infection) by a crew of people you'll never know.

- You were fed a healthy diet because your mother could get all the nutrients she needed at a grocery store.

- You drank clean water because you lived in a city with a professionally maintained water system designed by engineers and chemists who all went to college


Does that mean you can't smoke a little pot? Of course not. The vast majority of pot smokers are never caught. Hell, the vast majority of growers are never caught.

In fact, the vast majority of criminal acts are never prosecuted (or even found out) by law enforcement agencies.

So yes, it is partially true that the government can tell you what to do. But then you can defy the rules and you probably won't get caught.

That is the way that social organization occurs. Most anti-drug propaganda is directed towards children. The purpose of this is to make sure that people don't do drugs until they wise up a little and can handle them.

No government could ever be large enough (and efficient enough) to catch people defying the law on an every-day basis.

Ironically, when you finally figure out that you reside inside the panopticon...you become more free to do as you wish.

 

[ebola?]

>>
Face it, you signed a social contract when you were born into an industrial society to abide by the rules. And according to social contract theory, it is your duty to follow those rules, because:

- When you were born, you had a team of educated doctors making sure you and your mother didn't die.

- You were born in a hospital which was meticulously cleaned (to prevent your death by infection) by a crew of people you'll never know.

- You were fed a healthy diet because your mother could get all the nutrients she needed at a grocery store.

- You drank clean water because you lived in a city with a professionally maintained water system designed by engineers and chemists who all went to college>>

hmmm...I don't buy it, Hobbes.

ebola

 

[macca macca]

If I kill someone then the rest of society has the right to self-defense, they should do what they have to do to protect themselves. But where the fuck do they off telling me I can;t smoke a little pot?

If you don't like your coutries laws on drugs, then move to a country that doesn't have drug laws, i'm sure some 3rd wrold country wouldn't mind if u moved there...

And self-defense is not the way. Law enforcment should take care of problems, not revenge killings. Have you even thought through logically about what u are saying?

 

[elemenohpee]

I think you;re missing the point. I'm not going to move to another "country," I want to know why any country has authority over any one person. How did you equate self-defense with revenge killings?

 

[macca macca]

Well, if you kill somone it's pretty hard to defend themselves if they are dead.

If you agree to live in this society, no matter where it is, then you must abide by the laws. Simple. If you don't like it, tough...

And yeh. I do drugs, it's against the law. I know the risks. If i get cought, that's my problem, and i have to face the consiquences.

 

[elemenohpee]

So you reply to a thread asking why is this the way society works with "That's just how society works." Thanks for your well thought out input.
As for the self-defense, society has a right to detain killers because of the fact that he poses a threat to society. Therefore, they are justified in using self-defensive measures to neutralize the threat to themselves.
Please read and comprehend the thread before posting.

 

[macca macca]

Why can the government tell me what to do?

society has a right to detain killers because of the fact that he poses a threat to society. Therefore, they are justified in using self-defensive measures to neutralize the threat to themselves.

Same principoals with drug use, just on a different level. Killing is breaking the law, as is taking drugs. Obviosly killing is different, but drug use can lead to serious social problems and bad consiquences which need to be controlled by laws.

 

[ebola?]

>>If you agree to live in this society, no matter where it is, then you must abide by the laws. Simple. If you don't like it, tough...

And yeh. I do drugs, it's against the law. I know the risks. If i get cought, that's my problem, and i have to face the consiquences.>>

You're bracketing aside all questions of what should be the case...which will leave this discussion rather mundane, IMO.

ebola

 

[elemenohpee]

but drug use can lead to serious social problems and bad consiquences which need to be controlled by laws.

There's probably a million threads on this issue, I'd like to get the thread back on track if you don't mind.

 

[Raw Evil]

Maybe people generally get the feeling that being in a society and having a framework such as a nation with its own set of laws helps guide humanity towards some higher goal, "the creator's master plan". Such people just don't feel the need or have the time to ask themselves what this plan is, they just assume the system is somehow guiding them towards it.

Or, people are just so damn shortsighted that they just "play the game" because they can't be arsed thinking of something else to do.

Or am I completely off-track?

 

[elemenohpee]

No I think that's a pretty accurate description of our society. Just go through life not really thinking about anything, just assuming that what we see on TV is life. Never thinking that there could be something more that they may need to look for. Our current society makes it very easy to be "content" without REALLY experiencing life for what it can be.

 

[L2R]

As mentioned before, the reason the government are in a position of authority is because the people put them there.

IMO, this is due to the fear of the responsibility of looking after yourself. In childhood, we had parental figures to look up to, take advice from and seek protection from. As we grow into adulthood, and become the elders ourselves, to keep the parental figurehead safety net, we turn to things like religion and government.

 

[elemenohpee]

I know how the government came to be, that's not the question. But then how do you explain small-scale cultures where there is no government?

 

[sheepish486]

well...concerning all this government talk....
i've personally decided that i absolutely cannot go on living in all this crap for my entire existance....SO i decided that someday soon ill move to a relatively uninhabited area and become a subsistance farmer and live out my days that way...or until i begin to see the sence in all this societal crap.
care to join me elemenohpee? it can be, as you say, a small-scale place with no government.....seems quite plausible to me!
SOMEDAY! SOMEDAY!
-aimee

 

[DarthMom]

because you let them.

 

[paranormality]

people, if your wondering why sociaties so horrably fucked up, look up 'skull and bones' maybe down load some shit off lime wire or something, watch it.... basicly its about modern govournment using nazi tactics to create a new world order and become stupidly powerfull, the scary thing is its true! there a cult* (for lack of better name) called skull and bones and loads (if not all) of the worlds most influential and powerfull m.n.c. bosses, presidents, priministers blahblahblah are members... there's a 'set protocal' they run by which was originaly started by adulf... the american govournment at the moment are following it (apparently) pretty much 'word for word' in the whole iraq war crisis, using really intricatly laid propaganda nets that work off each other and 'threat of terorism' ( exactly as hitler did) to gain the nations support. the sick/scary thing is it's working all to well, if i get shot tomorrow... you'll know why................. some people can know 'too' much and apparently 'thats' illegal!