AlmostFamous
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I'm just wondering, why blast and cruise if you aren't planning to make money off your physique?
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Why blast/cruise if you're not competiting?
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It's cheaper. Don't lose gains. Serms make me depressed. Keeps pin sites open.
AlmostFamous
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I understand the part about not losing gains, but is the trade off worth it when you'll be on trt the rest of your life?
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AlmostFamous
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It is mutually exclusive in the sense competing will always come before the money. While there are those out there who compete purely for the bodybuilding and aesthetic aspect of the sports, there's also a good portion who do it as a way to make a living. In either case, I can understand why you would go on a blast and cruise regiment. On the other hand, I can't understand why someone would blast and cruise who's on a recreation level.
You won't necessarily need to be on TRT the rest of your life, but many do simply because they want youthful test levels even after they've given up BnC.
As for your question, everyone has their own reason. Most just want to try and look good consistently without suffering big losses in between cycles. That's not to justify it, just an observation.
What's your opinion on BnC for someone of later years, from a health perspective, (mainly cardiovascular)..
If blood pressure is kept in check with ACE inhibs' or ARB's throughout, for their anti-fibrotic properties..
If blasts are kept lower than 1g (normally 500-800), for 3 months, and cruises from 3-6 months..?
GrymReefer
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The sad thing is that you can look fantastic and sometimes better than those who constantly blast themselves with obnoxious doses of exogenous hormones if you understand the importance of dieting.
Generally, gains will only be lost if the use of AAS has gotten you past your genetic limitations that dictate the maximum threshold your body can naturally maintain in terms of LBM.
Isn't TRT almost guaranteed if you suppress the natural mechanics associated with the HPTA? The longer you suppress a certain part of the axis, the longer it takes for your body to naturally return to endogenous hormone production.
Generally, gains will only be lost if the use of AAS has gotten you past your genetic limitations that dictate the maximum threshold your body can naturally maintain in terms of LBM.
Isn't TRT almost guaranteed if you suppress the natural mechanics associated with the HPTA? The longer you suppress a certain part of the axis, the longer it takes for your body to naturally return to endogenous hormone production.
Not too bad. As long as you're getting that 3-6 months 'off' with a pretty much physiological dose, and being conservative (within reason) in your blast, and taking suitable precautions, and performing regular cardio, I don't think it will have too deleterious an effect.
Dieting, training, periodising... all will help you stay ahead. The criticism I often have of BnC is not BnC itself, but that it becomes a lazy way out for a lot of guys to maintain condition without staying on top of their game in terms of diet/cardio/training. And usually they don't really 'cruise' appropriately. Most are paranoid they're going to crash once the blast ends, but done carefully to avoid the myostatin issue I don't think they should lose much at all.
As for recovery, everyone differs. I have recovered (to normal range) before after continuous years on numerous compounds. I'm not exceptional in that regard. But for certain you'll probably have some permanent or semi-permanent HPTA changes.
Cruise generally is about 130mg of actual testosterone..... I generally lose a few kgs throughout cruise which is to be expected..
I'm still thinking from a health perspective 130mg might be a bit on the high side... Without access to more specialist diagnostic equipment, Its a guessing game as to whats going on inside cardiovascular tissues..!!
I had low normal test to begin with. So instead of jumping through all the damn hoops for an endo appointment and then fighting for injectable test at retarded low levels, I did it myself. Also I figure since I'm young and the body recovers well, I can afford the extra stress of harsher blasts. When I get older or if health takes a nose dive it will be more mild compounds: test, primo, nandrolone, etc. And no more tren, methyl tren (hah who am I kidding I'd have that shit in continuously if I could), but you get the idea. For me, this is the fun run and gun time for hormones, then it'll be the anti aging aspect. If I wreck my blood pressure and lipids temporarily it'll all even out quickly now upon cessation. Plus I have a needle fetish if you will.
Several of those kilos are just glycogen/water/blood & plasma etc. Doesn't sound like you lose much at all really. I'd just recommend tapering off as discussed previously (I'm sure you said you do this anyway) and slowly adding back in supplements like creatine, phosphatidylserine etc to counteract myostatin.
As for the test amounts, I think I'd be inclined to reduce that... take off ester weight and factor in some bioavailability loss and I reckon 60-80mg would be a more natural amount. A full panel of bloods would be handy just to see though. Slightly elevated test is mostly beneficial in terms of cardiovascular issues though, so that's only to be optimally cautious.
It's much wiser to take care while you're young, so you don't have to worry about more serious issues when you're older - so they don't accumulate as you age. I suppose the point I usually make is that you can make 90% of the gains with 50% of the amount... thus the cost-benefit ratio needs to be shifted on the downwards for most people except when you need to prep for a contest etc.
GrymReefer
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CFC, when you made reference to the myostatin statement. Were you referring to the body adjusting its myostatin activity after the absence of AAS and its possible inhibition of its usual activity?
I know you posted a study about myostatin eventually returning to genetic dictation levels and the net muscle growth would eventually be nullified due to its mechanics or something along those lines. I was always under the assumption that in order for the body to physically maintain such a super physiological amount of LBM you would need a heightened amount of androgens that generally is not present in a natural male. Also, protein synthesis along with metabolic efficiency is heightened as well. I attribute that statement to the sheer power of sodium when you're on testosterone. Eating a whole pizza isn't much when your off cycle....while eating a whole pizza on cycle and you feel like your blood pressure is about to cause a stroke.
I know you posted a study about myostatin eventually returning to genetic dictation levels and the net muscle growth would eventually be nullified due to its mechanics or something along those lines. I was always under the assumption that in order for the body to physically maintain such a super physiological amount of LBM you would need a heightened amount of androgens that generally is not present in a natural male. Also, protein synthesis along with metabolic efficiency is heightened as well. I attribute that statement to the sheer power of sodium when you're on testosterone. Eating a whole pizza isn't much when your off cycle....while eating a whole pizza on cycle and you feel like your blood pressure is about to cause a stroke.
^^yep. I don't do over the top stupid shit. Hell 50mg of Winstrol destroyed my digestion and I quit doing that lmao. I do my best to keep health first. I can't even fathom the stress on the body from some of these people's prep dosages... My fall blast will be quite mild actually: 450 test e and like 600 deca and pulse anadrol every 4 weeks for 4 weeks. For me, it's more mental taxing with higher doses vs physically taxing. As much as I love what tren does, it just wears you down. I'm gonna go back to trestolone when I need "stronger" compounds as that was a lot more mild
GrymReefer
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You can easily do a youtube search about Dorian Yates or Lee Priest talking about steroid usage. And they both explicitly adovocate it isn't about how much you do. It is about the quality of the steroid and your foundation (diet,exercise,knowledge) They both didn't use astronomical dosages and they looked fantastic. Especially Lee Priest with his age nowadays.
Here is the article that has input from Kevin Levrone, Dorian Yates and Shawn Ray. Thought Shawn was being a pussy....
http://musculardevelopment.com/arti...-ray-dorian-yates-speak-out.html#.VZiHbfkkOq5
Here is the article that has input from Kevin Levrone, Dorian Yates and Shawn Ray. Thought Shawn was being a pussy....
http://musculardevelopment.com/arti...-ray-dorian-yates-speak-out.html#.VZiHbfkkOq5
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Yes, myostatin would appear (so far) to be the biggest modulator of gains. Hence why a cycle eventually grinds to a halt as myostatin eventually balances out protein synthesis (MPS) to barely more than repair. And we seem to need myostatin - it improves cardiovascular condition, joints, tendons and so on ('repair'). However, we don't want to take away it's balance (AAS) too quickly or we'll fly off the see-saw and lose all our gains. Hence tapering down, and carefully adding back in known myostatin inhibitors (supplements, training, food, leucine etc) until a new homeostasis is achieved.
As for maintaining muscle mass above whatever genetic preference our body has, I don't think absolute quantities of anything are relevant, it's all about relative amounts of circulating androgens or other non-AR MPS-boosting subtances. Hence why coming off a cycle is a very wise choice, because you can reset the switch. Similarly why it's very wise to diet sometimes, and cycle supplements etc. Which is why I am always banging on about periodising everything when it comes to bodybuilding, rather than attempting to simply keep increasing AAS, intensity, calories etc - diminishing returns (and injuries) will always cancel out that blunt approach.
Do you feel the same even on lower doses of Tren? (eg 150-250mg/wk)
NeighborMike
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Every year from february to september all I ever use is 125mg Test e and 100mg tren E, i get great results from that...ive been 180lbs shredded to pieces and ive been a 250lb butter ball. It was all on my diet and the way i worked out
I didnt notice much difference from whenI was using a lot of gea