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Why are we here? V Philisophical Nonsense begins....

We are here because we are. There is no real reason or purpose in this life just the fact that we exist as a whole. All of the feelings we have, our emotions, our thoughts...they are small microcosms of the web which makes up our world in a physical as well as metaphysical way. We have the freedom to decide as individuals what we choose to make of our lives, but in the end it does seem meaningless.

Once we as a whole understand this concept, things will improve. Whether that is actually possible or not what with all of the distractions such as media, television, technology, etc...the future is unclear. At the rate we are going though the end may be closer then people wish to believe, at least on planet earth. I believe in reincarnation. If death is nothing but another part of life, and everything is infinite in a metaphysical sense, then it only makes sense life will continue. Even after death.

There is no point, just enjoy the precious moments we have. Every single one of them.
 
we are here because god hates us all and see us as its playthings to pump full of shit about paradise and ever lasting bliss total bollock simple way to undermine this think of a funeral and the way you leave this world in pain and wondering if you will get to see them again are sod it you get my drift


you can tell there's something with me when i can't even be bothered with the opportunity undermine the man made mind control called religion
 
@Cosmic Giraffe: I tend to think reincarnation as a concept is more believable than heaven/hell. I do think part of it is wishful thinking on my part, but I don't know for sure... so I'm not exactly blinded by 'faith' or 'intuition' I just lean towards there being more than this life. I think consciousness is all there really is and everything physical is a construct/projection in order for there to be a medium for consciousness to exist/learn/grow/evolve. Which I think is the purpose of the universe/conciousness <- that being split into countless fragments to experience things. Everything we see alive around us and us...

Then it's just logical to think that if the premise of the universe being a school for life/consciousness to grow/learn about itself and expand/become more... that consciousness shouldn't be snuffed out at the point of physical death, as it seems crude and maybe detrimental? Surely constant learning through different outlets/lives/mediums/planes of existence is a better way to compute the meaning of life and conciousness' process of becoming? If lessons/knowledge needs retaining in order to progress/move forward then surely consciousness needs to go on in some form?

This all rides on a whole load of premises and thoughts I've had, that have no evidence to back them up of course.

It could be pure chaos and random chance and no logic/plan behind anything. I hope my intuition is right but realistically I see most people would find even the first premise not believable as a realistic possibility (of conciseness being all there is and physicality an illusion/creation of consciousness.) To me, it seems impossible for it to have happened any other way. Physical universe creating life/consciousness...

Life beyond physical death seems plausible, to me. Reincarnation seems like a good method that works in 'my' model. Who really knows for sure though? No one alive today, I would imagine. I won't lose sleep over it. Fun to think about sometimes though.
 
Consciousness is just an emergent property of sufficiently-intelligent systems. The necessary and sufficient conditions are enough thinking power and something to think about. If you had a powerful enough computer, and a way of capturing a snapshot of the state of your brain at some moment in time, you could transfer the brain image to an emulator. You could then simulate different sensory input from what had actually happened to you, and see how you would have responded differently to a different situation. You could run multiple copies. Or you could carry on running your own brain software under emulation, after your real brain and body had stopped working; and since it was essentially emulating you, it would know how to transfer itself to newer hardware. This could give a soft of machine-mediated immortality .....

(I once wrote a program that passed an informal Turing test. Or maybe the subject failed the Turing test.)
 
In theory, though many people postulate 'proper' consciousness as being some separate reality/dimension with the brain as receiver (i suppose the computer copy of the brain could also act as this receiver though). I tend towards the emergent property view myself as i can't see why evolution would evolve a receiver in the first place (without adding teleology). (btw have you read any greg egan?). The latest stuff i read about using cellular automata seems promising (in complexity a guided tour by melanie mitchell)

I (sometimes) tend to go with the autopoietic idea of cognition/consciousness - where each cell in it's normal functions is doing an act of cognition (taking inputs from the environment, changing internal structure in response, and reacting/deciding); the aggregate of all the trillions of differently speicalised but fully integrated cells add up to our general underlying consciousness/awareness - in the same way as all the ants doing their own thing adds up the the 'decisions' of the colony (with the brain providing higher level cognitive structures like ego on top (which now thinks it's actually the boss)). Maybe this underlying cellular cognitive substrate is the base awareness we perceive when we have ego loss on drugs (though just perceiving through the right brain seems a quite likely candidate too)

Other times i do think maybe the ground of awareness does actually underlie all matter (via some quantum juju like entanglement) and that brahman is real (that's what my intuition tells me often). I'm not sure that vague brahman concept really defies science any more than string theory - both are unprovable and speculative (and could be argued don't contradict each other particularly). It's not just wacky acid head pseudo scientists who enertain these ideas (schrodinger liked the idea of brahman if i recall correctly) - (you've probably read this waffle off me before - it's this or the marxism ;))

I don't see the universe as is as meaningless - i see it as a constant dance of creation and destruction; our consciousness is just one of the many aspects of this dance exploding all around as at all different scales - i'd say meaning is a local/relative phenomenon which relates to a specific holistic relationship with your environment, but can also be bootsrapped by our 'strange loop' consciousness to any level of the universe because of self-similarity (like in 'as above so below').
 
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What a trip that must have been. I always thought 250 mics would already be a lot.


400 would be too much for me usually Erik but I'd been tripping every week for about a month so my tolerance was up. I've been doing this technique of splitting the dose which radically alters the LSD experience from being totally psychedelic to more of a mutant super-ecstasy bodyhigh. But I've discovered you've got to take the two doses within 15 minutes of each other otherwise your gastro-intestinal tract doesn't know what's hit it.
 
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There is no god. There is no afterlife. There is no second chance. When we die, we return to the void from whence we came. I would even postulate that once humanity ceases to exist, so will The Universe - which is simply a construct of our own vanity...
 
I'm not going to bother trying to answer the ultimate question of why we, human beings, are here on earth or simply why we are living in this shared reality because that question is simply too massive and complex for me to even understand let alone try and explain.

On the other hand the question of why I am here on bluelight is perhaps within my realm. I would say I came here initially in years back before I even registered to seek out answers regarding substance usage. Sometimes more specific questions could be answered by clicking on a link to bluelight from a google search than by digging through Erowid Experience reports one by until I found a report that adequately answered my question. I'd say I also wound up here more often than perhaps say drug-forums because their usage of the "SWIM" acronym made understanding what was written just that more complicated and impersonal. Recently, I've started coming here because I have down time and I'd like to give back to the community. That being said I also have a significant amount of experience with substances and my ability to answer questions is valuable. Back in the day they used to called me "The Pharmacist" or "The Chemist" in high school and college or even in certain circles of the drug trade in Central and Northern New Jersey. Back then acquaintances from high school and college used to call me and ask whether something they were thinking about trying would be safe, and I'd provide them with a straight up answer. The truth is that I would give them an honest answer biased towards being safe. As time passed I fell out of contact with those circles and the calls stopped except for a few close friends who would occasionally call trying to acquire information about a drug that wasn't available from a google search, I mean google is pretty comprehensive so I did't have too much beyond that to give them but I usually had a few tricks up my sleeve. When I wound up in treatment back in 2012 people would come ask me about medications and I would be able to give them the down and dirty about what to expect with medications; all the stuff the doctors wouldn't tell them. So I was sort of notorious for that and eventually I was forced into a private meeting with the Owner, Director, My Therapist, and one other important therapist where I was told to bite my tongue because I wasn't a doctor and shouldn't be pretending to be one, however they liked me and wanted me to stay. So I bit my tongue when it came to people I couldn't trust, and even though people would still ask for my knowledge, I might give some vague advice bust nothing that would bite me in the ass. Eventually I moved out on my own and the only people who would ask for advice were trusted friends. Eventually I ended up in rehab for drinking in a no drinking allowed outpatient program, fucking apartment-mate ratted on me, pathetic-little-man. Oh well, in that rehab there was one doctor who was a patient there than knew way more than me, but he also wouldn't talk with most people and there were several people who claimed to know more than everyone else about everything related to substances. Most of them knew little about little related to most things and part my knowledge was in Pharma which was more relevant to people in sobriety. So once everyone was finished bragging about how much they knew about drugs and started having questions about the medications they were being put on then I started to have a role again, but I avoided answering questions for most people because I didn't want any trouble at this rehab. Well it didn't matter anyway, trouble came and I survived it by moving back home with my parents where I would utilize some of my knowledge.. especially about vitamins and supplements. But now that I was home I needed something to do and so I poked my head onto bluelight, a place I'd had an account for I awhile but hadn't used. So I figured I may as well give back to the community, not to mention I really do know a lot about a lot of things and it's always nice to put that to good use. I'm not in school these days and I don't have a job so I don't really get to use my brain as much, but with bullfight I find my brain gets most if not all the workout that it needs. Not to mention people are always talking about a wide variety of things that I wouldn't have ventured into on my own anyways. So it provides me with some purpose, so stimulation, some connection, and some community.
 
I know paragraphs are my friend. It's hard to see where I should paragraph break in the little input text box, and it's too easy just to keep inputting text without regard to how it will ultimately look as a post. My bad. And I agree that understanding very well may come about more clearly at a certain point in the future or may have been more clear at some point in the past. Who knows about whether or not the why exists, but we make our own purposes and derive meaning from various aspects of our lives and so far that has been enough for me.
 
Isn't this the who exciting n fascinating thing about the question? The fact that it's so complex, the fact that there's never a definite answer, the fact that there's many different viewpoints, theories, based on different types of "proof / evidence" n that some people will swear their life on it. You'll often hear/read things like "if you could just keep an open mind n read on, you'll underarand the truth."

There are books upon books upon books on this subjet, based on this question.

One I read n enjoy that is related is The Power of Intention by Wayne Dyer. I do have some beliefs in his ideas but do I believe them above all else? But knowledge is power so by arming ourselves with knowledge we may get somewhere in learning "Why am I here" along with "what does it truly mean for me to be here."

I suppose in its most simplistic term "I am" here because my parents created me. I think, feel n act because I am a human being n that is what human beings are meant to do. I am here because I was meant to comtinue on the human race (my daughter) because that is what human beings do. Put in its most morbid form; The day I was born I am dying n each day that goes by will be closer to the day I die because that is what happens. We're born n then we die. Some of us die sooner n some of us die later. We, each of us are here because your parents pro-?creating us because that's how us humans grow.

And thinking on it, yes that kinda explain how we are here n not why we are here.

.....and now I'm going to lie down in an extremely dark room :)

Evey
 
Wayne Dyer is a self help author and motivational speaker, self help is just optimism. You can't sell pessimism... I give it you for free
 
I received a self help book off my mother for Christmas once, it was just filled with Optimistic quotes and i ended up just using it for swatting flies and various insects in my room. Had some nice weight to it because it full of bull shit
 
I agree totally with the point that the questions on why and how we are here we cant even begin to comprehend/understand so to even begin to explain is impossible.
 
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