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Why all of my psychedelics comedown are horrible ? :(

Kishka

Kishka

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Hello Bluelight,

I don't know how to begin with this thread, but it's only a "simple" question.

As you know, I'm fairly new to tripping and I'm mainly into Research Chemicals (Because I can have access to them via a friend which have very large supplies of many compounds, like Tryptamines, Phenethylamines, stimulants, dissociatives, cannabinoids, ect...).

Anyway I tried some of them (2C-C, 2C-D, 2C-E, 4-Ho-MET).

But I always have something which concerned me. I was wondering why my comedowns (when the effects subside) are always HORRIBLE !

With both of these compounds, I felt rather fine during the "trip" in itself but when it's coming down I can't deal with that :(

I have many disturbing physical effects like over-sweating, overheating, weakness, very high heart-beat, palor, trembling, drained, feeling paranoid as fuck, blood pressure sky rocketed and recently hypoxia (my lips changed colours like purple - brown tones) and it last like 2 to 4 hours AFTER the main trip is done ! (No visuals effects, nearly no bodyload).

I don't know why I feel like this, I tried to not worry about it but I can't. It surpass my mind :(

I felt bad because I enjoyed the trip overall but the comedown is always shitty .

So I think maybe Phenethylamines does not match well with my little body (I only weight 43 kg, I'm a girl but anyways I'm slim).
I told this to my friend and he suggest me trying Tryptamines, he said it's easier on the body but they are somewhat more mental.

So I decided to take 4-Ho-MET with him. It was a LOT rougher than the PEA's...

First the come up make me anxious, then I was having hot flashes over all my body. We were walking in the park because the sun was shining, I almost faint in the park. I needed to sit for a good hour. I felt very weak. Anyway then it passes and the visuals were really cool and body felt warm and it was funny.

Anyway at the 6 hours marks, the 4-HO-MET start to comedown and then... same cycle happens ! I was afraid of dying !! I felt very hot and I was having trouble standing on my legs. My heart start racing like a motherfucker, I though he was on his last beats! I start shimmering, trembling, crying! I just want it to end. The 4-Ho-MET comedown was more horrible / rougher than 2C-C and 2C-E ! Yes more rougher than 2C-E ! 2C-E was like a nice walk compared to it.

I drink a lot because I felt dehydrated also (I want to tell you that it was only happening in the comedown, not in the trip itself). I sit on the bench and my friend was holding me. I felt terribly drained, and my heart was making fun of me.

The ONLY chemical which gave NO BAD COMEDOWN was 2C-D. It was a very amazing chem, just too bad it felt speedy also on the heart during the trip but the comedown with 2C-D is just very smooth, it drops very quick ! But I'm sad cause the trip is too short :(

I don't know what to do, seriously. I don't know if these effects can be life-threatning or not :(

What should I do ? Why I have all these symptoms ?

My previous psychedelics experiences were; "Uknown chemical blotters" -> Dangerous physical effects (200 BPM), hospital; 2C-C (5mg, 15mg, 25mg, 75mg); 2C-D (5mg, 10mg, 15mg, 35mg), 2C-E (8mg), 4-Ho-MET (12mg)

I'm sad because I was excited to try 25i-NBOMe soon... My vial is still waiting for me :(

Tack <3
 
id stayy away from nbome its too new - if yuo wanna try nbome id highyl reccomend doing the 25c nbome first as its suppsoed to be closer to 2c-c which is much easier on you than 2c-i from waht ive read howver if you could handle 2c-e maybe you can handle it i dunno..

but id be very cautious about doing the 25i if you had all these issues!

why would you take unknown blotter chems?
 
no one knows why you have those symptoms we arent doctors and cant diagnose you over teh computer -- if you had half those problems I wouldnt have gone further without getting checked out -- and what would make you wanna do more of anything if you keep feeling this way with no improvement? seems like there is a problem there.
 
Research chemicals sometimes have a nasty feeling/side effects, I suggest you try some lsd and compare the comedowns.
 
Well due to recent info on 25I-NBOMe i wouldn't reccomend you to take that as it seems a little unsafe from what ive been hearing. Although the comedown is not so bad apart from I felt mega 'fried' in the head, otherwise normal comedown feelings like the ones you reported weren't there. I suggest you try taking something that isn't a RC as most of them have uncomftorable come ups/downs
 
If she didn't experience these comedown effects from 2c-d (a research chemicals) and did experience them from a benign tryptamine (4-ho-met; AFAIK it's pretty established that 4-sub tryptamines are pretty safe), I'm not sure it's going to be as simple as trying a non-research chemicals psychedelic. It might be a good idea to try it out anyway, but I have no idea what could be causing the problem and I'm not wont to believe that taking something that simply isn't a research chemical is going to help the problem.
 
My guess would be that these issues are caused by panic attacks/anxiety (which you have admitted to having and being on a decent benzo regimen for, alprazolam if I recall). Have you altered your benzo dosing schedule at all while tripping? Have your comedowns coincided with the period when the alprazolam was wearing off?

Be sure not to skip any doses, try to time your comedown so it occurs during period of maximum efficacy of your benzos, maybe even add a lil' a more to see if it mitigates the issue.

As for danger, hyperventilation (induced by panic attack/anxiety) can cause serious issues. See here:
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It started when I once had this effect when I had tripped on 4-AcO-DMT and methylone and GHB, and I started withdrawing from the GHB and got rebound stim effects from methylone (having redosed and everything). I was aching and at some point took a codeine, then I freaked out about the GHB and codeine thinking that there was a chance I might die. In retrospect this was a total overreaction but I had never heard about hyperventilation being that bad. I always thought: panic attack? Just relax then. But it got so bad I got scared enough to go to the ER. Everytime I went there it got better and I turned around no less than 3 times. I also was too afraid to take anything for the anxiety worrying that it might make it worse with resp. depression. Eventually I couldn't make it anymore, it was too much for me and I went to the ER. From the hyperventilation my CO2 in my blood went through the roof and that caused nasty things like fluttering in the chest and other crazy shit. That made me worry even more, considering they were real symptoms.
I was not done tripping either, even though it had been quite a few hours. I thought my whole hospital room was blue and while I felt mentally clear and present there were signs that I was not clear at all, instead terribly confused.
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Anyway at the 6 hours marks, the 4-HO-MET start to comedown and then... same cycle happens ! I was afraid of dying !! I felt very hot and I was having trouble standing on my legs. My heart start racing like a motherfucker, I though he was on his last beats! I start shimmering, trembling, crying
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Tremors and extreme emotional volatility are fairly common with tryptamines.
 
Hi !

Well, when tripping I don't take my benzos because I don't know how it could interacts with 2C-X since they are somewhat stimulating for the cardiovascular system. I don't want to have undesirable effects or a synergy that enhanced the effect of the drug.

Also my physical symptoms only happens during the come down period or in the come up but in a less extend. So if I read well you told me that I could die with the hyperventilation and my rapid heart beat ? That's freaky to hear. That's very sad I can't have access to most researched psychedelic like LSD or Shrooms or even DMT :(

But the 4-Ho-MET was the most horrible comedown hands down :( Are tryptamines really safe or should be an issue to take again (like 4-AcO-DET, 4-HO-MIPT, ect...) ?

I have another question. I will switch to another brand of benzodiazepine (Clotiazepam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clotiazepam) instead of my Xanax (Alprazolam). I want to be sure it's still be ok mixed with Psychedelics RC (like 2C-X and Tryptamines).

Are you very sure I can take a Xanax/Clotiazepam before taking the chemicals (2C-X/trypta) or during the trip/comedown without side effects ?

Thank you ! <3
 
Medical intervention being necessary for a panic attack is rare.

Anyway, benzos will not cause any negative interaction with psychedelics, they're sedatives, they will not exacerbate any of the negative symptoms you've been having (they should help get rid of them), at worst they will dull the trip! It's very common for people to use them to mitigate panic reactions during a trip.

You said before you take 2mg alprazolam up to 4x per day normally, and have been prescribed the drug for three years so I'm guessing you're phsyically dependent, skipping out on them is probably hurting more than helping. I'd advise that you not stray from your normal dosing regimen. If this impacts the enjoyability/desirable mental effects from the trip, then you can try adjusting dosage/timing to reach your ideal.

Perceptions of abnormal hot/coldness different from the actual temperature of where you are at, sweating (or sometimes it can feel like you're sweating but you're not), thirst (I drink like crazy on 2c-e), and such are normal with these substance and not anything to worry about, just roll with them. Also, try having something to distract you on the comedown, coming down and post trip stimulation/mental effects can be bothersome, being able to take your mind off of it should help.
 
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Thank you I really appreciated your question !

NVB I was wondering if it's possible that there is any interactions with Benzo and 2C-X ? How are you really sure ? I mean you know 2C-D somewhat feel speedy (and I'm sure it is) and since benzo are sedative and relax the heart, it would be weird because the stimulating aspect of the drug will be there but it will be mixed with the sedative effects... It's not dangerous ?

Infact yesterday night, I tried 2C-C again. I mix 25 mg with a glass of water, I drink like the 3/4 of the glass. Then I waited and I felt bad :( I was fighting to not have a bad trip, I was feeling cold, trembling, jittery (nervous), want to move everywhere and talk to reassures myself, tightness in the chest.

I though due to the 4-Ho-MET bad trip, I can't trip good anymore :(

So preloading let's say Alprazolam or Clotiazepam 5 mg 20 - 30 minutes before taking the drugs, it should alleviates the effects ? Can I just put a stronger dosage and then take a benzo ?
Today I have a terrible headache :'(

Again, thank you !
 
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Well Benzos don't always seem certain in their effects. I've heard of them blunting trips, cutting trips entirely, synergizing with trips in bizzare/alarming/wonderful ways. But if i was using them i'd have them at hand for the comedown (i agree this is the most physically exhausted period) along with a spliff and some sugary goodness - ice cream or haribo or something. You sound like a pretty anxious person as it is, so you shouldn't be surprised, trips often exaggerate the current mental weather.
And then yeah it's perfectly normal to feel cracked out and a bit malfunctiony during a comedown, but what you're experiencing sounds to be much worse than even my worst comedown. I'd suggest putting on some weight because i swear you weigh like a half of me, and i'm a pretty small, skinny guy. Try to get into a habit of eating more (better to have good healthy well rounded diet) and working out accordingly. Don't worry about losing your current figure, unless you're a midget you should start to feel and look fitter/healthier.
This will project onto your trips - negative/taxing effects should be lesser, physiological as well as psychological. Also being sober (especially if you've not touched ANYTHING for a month) when you embark on a trip is a good idea - i smoke pot daily so i'm never really down - i know this contributes a laziness and increase to heart rate when tripping (so far i've managed to stay on top of it but sometimes it feels like i'm dying :|) It's a bummer to hear you had a bad time on such a low dose of 4-HO-MET, because i've done around 20mgs twice and it was the easiest most astoundingly visual time that i've had from a moderate dose of any tryptamine or phenethylamine. Also the comedown has been more of an afterglow, but i suppose that's not always going to be the case. Apparently 4-ACO-DMT is a smooth ride, if not moreso than shrooms normally (from what i've heard) so that might be a suitable tryptamine for you. Good luck!!
 
Are you fucking crazy? You have all this nasty side effects and continue experimenting with research chemicals?

I think you should graceful about your luck, and stop this ridiculous research with psychedelics. Sorry for being so harsh, but its time to have some good sense and wake up.

Also, benzos are a really bad ideia, it masks the side effects but they will still happen, then some day who knows.
 
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Well could you detailed your post further or something? The only research chemicals that is ok with my body is 2C-D (No bad comedown, just a smooth ride in every way with wave of euphoria) and 2C-E. (The 4-Ho comedown was even worst than the 2C-E) :P
 
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The fact you experience all these side effects are a warning sign...
You should consider trying the classic psychedelics (lsd, shrooms)
 
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Are you fucking crazy? You have all this nasty side effects and continue experimenting with research chemicals?

I think you should graceful about your luck, and stop this ridiculous research with psychedelics. Sorry for being so harsh, but its time to have some good sense and wake up.

Also, benzos are a really bad ideia, it masks the side effects but they will still happen, then some day who knows.
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I don't think you know what you are talking about, aside from outlier cases benzodiazepines have pretty predictable and benign reactions with psychedelics, and telling someone who has been prescribed alprazolam daily for 3 years to not use benzos is flat-out irresponsible and above all else, dangerous given potential withdrawal effects.

Kishka - if I had to make a guess (which is all I can truly make through this medium and given the fact that I'm not a doctor), I'd say that the reason for your negative comedowns has nothing to do with the psychedelics themselves but rather everything to do with the fact that you have stopped taking your benzos before each trip. Given that you're prescribed alprazolam, one of the most potent benzodiazepines, daily 4x at 2mg, it's very possible that you're experiencing severe withdrawal symptoms when you stop taking them during your trip, and these symptoms are only going to be exacerbated by any comedown of a drug. I'd say take your benzos as prescribed next time when you trip, and if the trip is dulled too much, you can always up your dose of the psychedelic. But don't stop taking the benzos.
 
You should put psychedelics in the closet.
Revisit them when you get better.

First gain control of your life before changing it with psychedics
 
Something I haven't seen anyone mention here is the fact that you haven't been tripping very long. Didn't you only start experimenting a couple of months ago? And yet you have this many trips under your belt?

That's your problem right there imo. Really if you want your experiences to be devoid of lasting side-effects you should be tripping once every 3-4 weeks at most.

One of the major reasons for this is that if you trip more frequently, tolerance builds up - but tolerance with psychedelics tends to mostly be to the positive effects rather than the negative physical side-effects. What this means is that you might take 1.5-2x as much in order to get the intensity that you're looking for, but you will get 1.5-2x the original side-effects, rather than taking 1x the dose with no tolerance and getting the same experience but with fewer side-effects.

Tripping often, even every 1-2 weeks isn't such a worrying issue like with most drugs, but it still diminishes the quality of the experience, increases side-effects, and leads to your trips being less magical and interesting. It's also hard to evaluate new psychedelics if you take them with existing tolerance as sometimes you'll experience side-effects that would not be there had you not tripped recently.

I'd recommend taking a break for a few weeks, and upon resuming, trying lower doses of the psychedelics that cause the most problems for you. If lower doses and a break still don't help with those psychedelics then it's likely that those psychedelics simply don't interact too well with you - everyone is different and this is why you'll see such varying opinions on which psychedelics are "best", while one might be amazing and have no side-effects for you - it might be living hell for someone else.

Hope this helps :)
 
Jesusgreen, did you read about the benzos? Normally I'd be inclined to agree with you but I don't think there's a more reasonable explanation for such exaggerated physical side effects given that kishka stopped taking his benzos before each trip, and her benzo regimen was 4x 2mg alprazolam a day.
 
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