Whole dope scene might be changing in a year or two

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maybe nothing will happen, but from what ive seen in documentaries and stuff the majority of guys in the middle east that farm poppies do it because they have no other option and they barely get paid for it. If they develop mines and all of a sudden have a bunch of jobs and money available that could seriously dent the worlds poppy supply.

I have two theories on what could happen:

1. The guys that run the game over there will just make bigger farms, so fewer people will be producing opium but the ones that are will make up for it with bigger crops and nothing will really change.

2. They stop farming and supply is severly cut. There will be way way less dope coming to the east coast from the middle east, and the mexicans will pretty much take over the whole dope game in the US. BUT that would probably spread their supply thin and so due to supply and demand, price will go up. Everybody will be copping overpriced tar.

What do you guys think?
US and Afghan officials claim to have discovered more than $1 trillion in untapped copper, iron, and lithium deposits in Afghanistan, enough to significantly bolster the future development of the war ravaged country.

But there remains skepticism about Afghanistan's mineral wealth, as some critics argue that the extent of un-mined deposits is being inflated to garner support for the war.

Unlike Iraq, Afghanistan is not generally thought of as being rich in natural resources, at least in part because what mineral wealth it has is hard to get out and a long way from a port.

To be sure, Afghanistan has been known to have extensive iron, copper, and gold deposits since at least the late 1960s. The Aynak copper deposit, discovered by the Soviets in the mid 70s but left undeveloped due to war and weak domestic infrastructure, is now being developed by a Chinese company. The Afghan government expects to reap $1 billion a year in taxes and fees from Aynak when it eventually goes into production, though that still appears to be years away, as efforts to build the necessary roads and power plant have been slowed by the war.

Those kind of delays - caused by Taliban attacks, tough winter weather, and dilapidated existing infrastructure -- also make developing mines here more expensive, and are one reason that investment has been held back.

For now, more than 80 percent of Afghans work in agriculture and poppy cultivation still accounts for nearly a quarter of the country's gross domestic product.

Representatives from the US Geological Service, USAID, the Afghan government and the Pentagon released a summary of the country's deposits in 2007 but only completed their assessment of untapped mineral value last December. On Monday, the New York Times reported the team’s findings.

A discovery of resources of this magnitude could help to gain more support for the viability of the war in Afghanistan.

“The mineral industry has the potential to be a significant enabler of self-sufficiency for Afghanistan,” says US Air Force Lt. Col. Todd Vician, a spokesman for the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan (ISAF). “It is on of the most important sectors in the country for the economic aspect of Afghanistan’s development.”

Now members of ISAF provincial reconstruction teams will work with local leaders at the provincial and district level to determine what projects are needed to aid in the harvesting of the minerals.

Jill McGivering of the BBC cast suspicion on the timing of the announcement, saying that “at a time of growing despair about Afghanistan and its government, the portrayal of the country as a potential goldmine could help to bolster international resolve and paint the country as a prize worth fighting for.

Accessing most deposits in Afghanistan may prove the biggest hurdle. Presently, there are no roads or railways to potential, meaning that investors will have to develop the necessary infrastructure before they can begin extracting minerals.

“This puts Afghanistan in a position where it can now work on its reconstruction and development with new resources … that if exploited appropriately could incorporate many Afghans into the workforce in their country,” says Thomas Gouttierre, director of the Center for Afghanistan Studies at the University of Nebraska at Omaha. “It helps [those trying to reconstruct the country] to have alternative economies.”
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I think it'll take a few (read: at least 5) years for us to see an impact over here. Think about it: they have to invest first, then work for a bit to pay the investments off, then they make a profit.

Once the whole business cycle completes itself, I think it'll be more about big farms--like Cartels in South America--that will control the trade.

Price may change, but i don't think by much.
 
less heroin from afghanistan = more heroin from other places. the demand is out there, the market will find the supply.
 
People will always grow enough poppies to keep the supply up, if these guys stop farming then other people will start. But most of the current farmers probably won't stop growing poppies.
 
While some of the growers might go to making money from minerals there is still a massive demand for heroin so somebody will always be there to take anothers place
 
Poppy production and IV Heroin use (rather than the traditional smoking of opium) has gone through the roof since the invasion of Afghanistan, so it'll take years to see any real impact if there is any change at all. And then theres still Burma, Laos and Thailand farming away relatively unhindered.

Theres tons of info if people are interested
 
ech0s85 said:
2. They stop farming and supply is severly cut. There will be way way less dope coming to the east coast from the middle east, and the mexicans will pretty much take over the whole dope game in the US. BUT that would probably spread their supply thin and so due to supply and demand, price will go up. Everybody will be copping overpriced tar.

What do you guys think?
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I think your theory is completely irrelevant. There aint no heroin coming to the east coast from the middle east. None of our heroin comes from there. It comes from South America. Your theories aint gonna mean a thing until you get some knowledge about how the dope game runs, cuz ....hate to say it in such a strong way, but apparently you dont know shit about it right now. Its a common mistake. alot of people who dont know nothing about the dope trade assume that the dope in the US comes from the middle east but that just aint true.
 
Also there is a huge number of people in Afghanistan who smoke Opium and inject Herion, the domestic demand alone will keep the Poppy farmers in business for decades
 
i think that the "$1 trillion in natural resources" is a totally made up number that has pretty much nothing to do with reality. having $1 trillion in natural resources in afghanistan is sort of like having a briefcase with $5 million in it on the moon. Great, it's there, fantastic. but it's going to be a MAJOR pain in the ass to get it, it will probably cost you more than $5 million, and it ain't gonna be this year, son.
 
Lacey's got it...

Yeah, heroin in powder form comes 99% from South America (specifically Colombia). And that 1% is usually SE Asian/Middle Easter heroin that is imported through the Pacific NW (mainly Vancouver). Heroin in tar form is manufactured in Mexico and is seen in the South and Western US. BTW this only applies to North America obviously.

So basically yeah, your idea doesn't really hold any weight. Even if the situation you presented were true, I still highly doubt the market would see any real shake-up. There's just too much money in it and too high of a demand. It's also one of those drugs where - if it just fell off - people all over would be scheming and plotting and something would give.

C'mon this is heroin people, a staple of the inner-city economy as well as a staple of the USAs drug appetite.
 
Like everyone already said, all my heroin comes from the mexicans. And they get it from south america.

For some reason people think tar = mexico and powder = middle east, but that's not totally true.
 
di.ACE.tyl.rob said:
Lacey's got it...

Yeah, heroin in powder form comes 99% from South America (specifically Colombia). And that 1% is usually SE Asian/Middle Easter heroin that is imported through the Pacific NW (mainly Vancouver). Heroin in tar form is manufactured in Mexico and is seen in the South and Western US. BTW this only applies to North America obviously.
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Sources? I thought more of it was from Asia then that. I know that there's very little Afghani dope in the US, most of the stuff is South American, but I thought more of it then that was from Asia. Where I am we only get tar from Mexico.
 
lacey k said:
I think your theory is completely irrelevant. There aint no heroin coming to the east coast from the middle east. None of our heroin comes from there. It comes from South America. Your theories aint gonna mean a thing until you get some knowledge about how the dope game runs, cuz ....hate to say it in such a strong way, but apparently you dont know shit about it right now. Its a common mistake. alot of people who dont know nothing about the dope trade assume that the dope in the US comes from the middle east but that just aint true.
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omg dont chu watch fox bitch? get some mother fuckin perspective
 
I somehow doubt much of this mineral wealth will trickle down to the average Afghan opium farmer...
 
America won't let the poppy production go down the tube because America is the world's largest consumer of opium, in the legal way. There are a lot of people prescribed to opiates. Pharmaceutical companies would find another source of opium if they need to.
 
actually, a lot of the heroin in the US does have ties to the middle east. The Afghan poppy farmer sells his crop to a processor. It is converted into a morphine base, and then distributed worldwide. The Colombian cartels buy the morphine base and do further processing to make it into heroin. I am sure there are SOME heroin manufacturers in Afghanistan, but the majority of the poppies grown there are turned into the crude base and sold to other nefarious people.

so YES, a LOT of the east coast and US heroin does actually come from the middle east. At least that is where a lot of the poppies are grown.

It is a worldwide network of shady people and it is worth billions.
 
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