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Who is Jesus?

Tromps said:
Did you even really read the original post? I didn't mention the Bible at all or pitch an argument that Jesus is God's son. I didn't mention Christianity. I said before on this thread, my intent wasn't to create a discussion if God exists or not, and didn't ask. I simply want input on what people believe about Jesus and why. You could answer the question without coming in only to attack. Why don't you tell me who you believe he is and not who you believe he isn't.

Take your deep hatred for Christianity elsewhere.
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I take it everywhere.

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Regards
DL
 
"Bishop" is something that is mostly Christian. Though the definition is "overseer, guardian", it is usually always a a Christian with the title. Your entire set up is an attack on Christianity. Its antagonistic. It's frankly really annoying, as is your laxadasical approach to copying and pasting and not even separating what needs to be.

I'm not sure who Jesus was, but I know that at least in a sense, Jesus- the spirit, is real. You come in here arguing "morals". Wow. You don't get why things must be sacrificed. In so many ways, you are ignorant. You have your own "wow I know so much and all these people are stupid!" attitude... You come in here so high and mighty and you actually expect people to be receptive to you. You have a very limited understanding, if that.
 
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Gnostic Bishop said:
I take it everywhere.

Post 26.

Regards
DL
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So you finally admit you hold and take strong hatred with you everywhere, what a burden that must be, hate is a disease that will only grow, eating away and eventually destroying your soul. All this coming from a guy who claims to follow a religion of love, equality, and peace. To be frank, you're a hypocrite. You give other 'gnostics' a bad rep. I don't intend to be insulting, but you should really reflect on your own morals, since you admit you're that full of hatred.
 
What if the hate someone carries around is for poverty, prejudice, war, etc?

Hate is a natural human emotion that should be embraced.
 
I personally find actual "hate" if there is such a thing to feel unhealthy for me.
 
Personally, I can hate without it causing too much of a negative emotional response.

For example - I hate rapists. I'm not sitting here continuously thinking about how angry and upset they (it) makes me.. but i hate them (it) all the same.

And let's not forget..

Luke 14:26 said:
26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.
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I beleave Jesus was an idea that in all reality gave many people a reason to hate one another ! in turn fueled war after war. I think jesus was just a story that got way out of control. Look at the negativity in this thread, it's a small example of what happens when jesus enters into peoples minds. If you beleave in something that cannot be proved or disproved it causes people to take sides. people that take sides eventually fight about it. being spiritual is great, if you need that kind of thing in your life. good for you, you found something to get you through your days, some people just need something to beleave and that's OK :) It just sucks that in the process of ideas so many people had to die. that's what i beleave and i hope that everyone here can respect my beleafs as i respect yours even if i do not beleave in your idea of jesus !
 
What 23 said:
"Bishop" is something that is mostly Christian. Though the definition is "overseer, guardian", it is usually always a a Christian with the title. Your entire set up is an attack on Christianity. Its antagonistic. It's frankly really annoying, as is your laxadasical approach to copying and pasting and not even separating what needs to be.

I'm not sure who Jesus was, but I know that at least in a sense, Jesus- the spirit, is real. You come in here arguing "morals". Wow. You don't get why things must be sacrificed. In so many ways, you are ignorant. You have your own "wow I know so much and all these people are stupid!" attitude... You come in here so high and mighty and you actually expect people to be receptive to you. You have a very limited understanding, if that.
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Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small mindsdiscuss people. EleanorRoosevelt

I already have an anal orifice, so why do you insist onfollowing me around?

Regards
DL
 
Tromps said:
So you finally admit you hold and take strong hatred with you everywhere, what a burden that must be, hate is a disease that will only grow, eating away and eventually destroying your soul. All this coming from a guy who claims to follow a religion of love, equality, and peace. To be frank, you're a hypocrite. You give other 'gnostics' a bad rep. I don't intend to be insulting, but you should really reflect on your own morals, since you admit you're that full of hatred.
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See the post just above.

Regards
DL
 
rickolasnice said:
What if the hate someone carries around is for poverty, prejudice, war, etc?

Hate is a natural human emotion that should be embraced.
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Hate has it's place as the bible clearly show with it's hate filled God of love.

Note that God almost always kills and hardly ever cures. He almost always takes the moral low ground and leaves the high ground to the one who is supposed to be evil.
“The God of the Old Testamentis arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud ofit; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirstyethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal,filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciouslymalevolent bully.”
― RichardDawkins, The God Delusion

Regards
DL
 
silas GUY said:
I beleave Jesus was an idea that in all reality gave many people a reason to hate one another ! in turn fueled war after war. I think jesus was just a story that got way out of control. Look at the negativity in this thread, it's a small example of what happens when jesus enters into peoples minds. If you beleave in something that cannot be proved or disproved it causes people to take sides. people that take sides eventually fight about it. being spiritual is great, if you need that kind of thing in your life. good for you, you found something to get you through your days, some people just need something to beleave and that's OK :) It just sucks that in the process of ideas so many people had to die. that's what i beleave and i hope that everyone here can respect my beleafs as i respect yours even if i do not beleave in your idea of jesus !
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You see 20/20.

The Dark Ages and Inquisition did not start until Christians began to read their scriptures literally thanks to Rome and it's might who gave them the power to kill and burn.

Christianity is the states religion it is not a God led religion. The Noble Lie continues and Christians don't see it.

Regards
DL
 
Who is Jesus?

good question. (I was not there so I do not know forsure)
But in my humble opinion he was a human born man, probably a good man with many followers and fellow good men and women who loved him and believed in the goodness of people and housed a healthy respect of nature..
I would imagine he'd NOT be all too impressed with m a n y aspects of his words being manipulated for other men's gain over the ages of time or people being killed in the name of religion.

I'm sure he would shake his head with great sadness at the levels of human greed and power hungry people hiding behind the so called 'good book'.
Yet, many are good and having faith?, well, there's nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately, it's the fundamentalist standpoint that often gives bad reps to the world at large and those curiously looking in but too deterred by hypocrisy. That whole, my way or no way view is really, (imo) fucked up. I can't imagine any true prophet preaching in such a way so why then, do some of us?

I believe in being open minded/hearted and if this guy did exist, after all the lovely things people say about him, surely he had an open mind and heart too.
 
What 23 said:
You just discussed a person, idiot.

As for your ideas, you have a very limited view, it seems.
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While yours goes against your God's. He loves to hate.

"I personally find actual "hate" if there is such a thing to feel unhealthy for me."

Regards
DL
 
Something that interests me about Jesus is that he is not the first of his kind. There have been other Gods, or the story seems to be much older than his version. Horus, for instance, had at least somewhat of a parallel life, as did others. Is it just a story told? Or is there some pattern that repeats, manifesting itself to such degrees in various people throughout time?

This is something I've thought may be.

This video has in it claims that it (the story of Jesus) is a direct copy/plagiarization, but I don't know the truth on that, and wonder if it is not more what I began to mention... That it occurs naturally. The video details interesting parallels, anyways.

[video=youtube_share;brr2Wm4dcnU]http://youtu.be/brr2Wm4dcnU[/video]
 
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It seems some of the claims (that people make connecting Jesus to other Gods) may be stretches, its argued... But it is an interesting subject- the connections or parallels of the Gods.
 
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What 23 said:
It seems some of the claims (that people make connecting Jesus to other Gods) may be stretches, its argued... But it is an interesting subject- the connections or parallels of the Gods.
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This link is the latest comparison done by a priest and he sees the Jesys myth as coming out of Sumer and Egypt as well.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x84m5k_2007doc-zone-pagan-christ-1-of-3_news

If I can bend your ear a bit more, here is how Gnostic Christians see Jesus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D

Regards
DL
 
Since this discussion is taking a turn I'll go with it.

silas GUY said:
Look at the negativity in this thread, it's a small example of what happens when jesus enters into peoples minds. If you beleave in something that cannot be proved or disproved it causes people to take sides.
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It was prophesied that people would be offended by Jesus, here we are ~2000 years later and people still get offended.

If you have a moment here are some important scriptures regarding this:

Isaiah 28:16 said:
Thus says the Lord God:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation,
A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a solid foundation;
Whoever believes in it will not be shaken.
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Matthew 21:42 said:
Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: "'The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone."
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1 Peter:2-8 said:
Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious...
Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,
'Behold, I lay in Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.'
Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who do not,
'The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone,' and 'A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.'
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Matthew 11:6 said:
Blessed is the one who does not stumble on me.
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Most versions say "Blessed is he who is not offended by me" or "who takes no offense at me."

And this was written thousands of years ago, yet it's still happening.

Say Jesus came into the world as the light, with truth and judgement, then there will always be those offended with darkness stumbling over the light.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome or comprehend it." John 1:4
 
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