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Who is Jesus?

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What do you believe about Jesus?

Was he a revolutionist? An inspirational teacher with a profound message? A man leading a movement of freedom? Some great philosopher of his time? One of the prophets? A highly spiritual & enlightened individual? Simply a fictional character who never existed? Son of the living God, God incarnate?

Regardless of what we believe about Jesus, his name and story has significantly influenced the course of history, creating one of the most substantial impacts on people, cultures and societies from the past ~2000 years to this present day.

So I ask you, who do you say Jesus is? And why do you believe the way you do?

Mark 8:27 said:
“Who do people say I am?”
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I am stopped at a light. At the light I was stopped at I looked up and saw the number 113 on the vehicle ahead of mine's plate. 113 is a number I came to when I thought I was Christ. Letters for the plate were TFZ and the color of the vehicle was a night blue. Grand Caravan (just detailing for now).

I was going to say that Jesus is at least multidimensional. In very real senses the world has become of him, the religion following him helped shape history. Our keeping of time is based from him.

I could never 'deny' Christ.

Jesus, I'm not sure he isn't an archetype or something... Something we all have imprinted. Gods image. Not to say he isn't real with that.

The number 113 I had associated with a number of sacrifice. A numerology site I found it on, after associating it with a girl I considered like Mary Magdalene, had it as "The number of Christ immolated on the cross", and "sacrifice for sin", citing also certain alleged numbers of animal sacrifices in the Bible (113, 1130...).
 
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Jesus was probably a real man, whose story has become encrusted with legend over numerous (mostly early) retellings, such that his story has converged with that of many other wisdom figures from around the globe and across the ages. But I think separating the fact from the fiction when it comes to Jesus (and many legendary figures, really), is something of a red herring, not only because it's probably futile, but because it sheds little light on why Jesus' story endures so strongly. Jesus as we know him lives on in so many people's hearts and minds because his story is one of a man who truly believed that we self-aware, sentient human beings had the potential to transcend our base animal nature and be something more, and put his life on the line to defend and act upon that conviction. And deep down, we all hope and wish that what he believed is truly possible, and all yearn for the courage to actually live as though it were true, and in so doing make it true.
 
Paul the apostles Jesus was not, and never was a person. The Jesus Paul spoke of was an idea, if you will.. (I'll explain more if anyone wants me to)

Mark's Jesus was an allegorical character of which he took Paul's Jesus and made him a man. Jesus' whole life - from birth to death, resurrection an all, was directly ripped from ancient Jewish scripture.. Matthew, Luke and John's Jesus was a direct copy of Mark's with a few added (or subtracted) points.. Such as the virgin birth (which was added in to comply with Isa. 7:14, mistranslated from "young woman" to "virgin")

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Isaiah 53:
Who has believed what we have heard?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
For he grew up before him like a young plant,
and like a root out of dry ground;
he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
He was despised and rejected by others;
a man of suffering and acquainted with infirmity;
and as one from whom others hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him of no account.

Surely he has borne our infirmities
and carried our diseases;
yet we accounted him stricken,
struck down by God, and afflicted.
But he was wounded for our transgressions,
crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the punishment that made us whole,
and by his bruises we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have all turned to our own way,
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,
and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
By a perversion of justice he was taken away.
Who could have imagined his future?
For he was cut off from the land of the living,
stricken for the transgression of my people.
They made his grave with the wicked
and his tomb with the rich,
although he had done no violence,
and there was no deceit in his mouth.

Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him with pain.
When you make his life an offering for sin,
he shall see his offspring, and shall prolong his days;
through him the will of the Lord shall prosper.
Out of his anguish he shall see light;
he shall find satisfaction through his knowledge.
The righteous one, my servant, shall make many righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities.
Therefore I will allot him a portion with the great,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong;
because he poured out himself to death,
and was numbered with the transgressors;
yet he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
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Isaiah 50:
6 I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.
Amos 2:
11 I also raised up prophets from among your sons and Nazirites from among your young men. Is this not true, people of Israel?' declares the LORD. 12 'But you made the Nazirites drink wine and commanded the prophets not to prophesy.

Psalm 22:
1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from the words of my groaning?
...
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads:
8 "He trusts in the LORD;
let the LORD rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him."
...
16 Dogs have surrounded me;
a band of evil men has encircled me,
they have pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I can count all my bones;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my garments among them
and cast lots for my clothing.

Psalm 69:
Insults have broken my heart, so that I am in despair. I looked for pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none. They gave me poison for food, and for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

Amos 8:
8 "Will not the land tremble for this, and all who live in it mourn? ... 9 "In that day," declares the Sovereign LORD, "I will make the sun go down at noon and darken the earth in broad daylight.

Ezekiel 37:
12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD.' "/
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John 12:
12 The next day the great crowd that had come to the festival heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem. 13 So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, shouting,

‘Hosanna!
Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord—
the King of Israel!’
14 Jesus found a young donkey and sat on it; as it is written:

15 ‘Do not be afraid, daughter of Zion.
Look, your king is coming,
sitting on a donkey’s colt!’
16 His disciples did not understand these things at first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things had been written of him and had been done to him.

This passage in John refers to Zechariah 9, which discusses the judgment of the enemies of Israel and the coming of a warrior who will lead the Israelites against their enemies:

Zechariah 9:
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter Zion!
Shout aloud, O daughter Jerusalem!
Lo, your king comes to you;
triumphant and victorious is he,
humble and riding on a donkey,
on a colt, the foal of a donkey.
10 I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim
and the warhorse from Jerusalem;
and the battle-bow shall be cut off,
and he shall command peace to the nations;
his dominion shall be from sea to sea,
and from the River to the ends of the earth.
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And many many more (ask and ye shall receive)


Why do i believe what I do? Because once you have all the information, the truth is right there in front of you.
 
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This is who I believe Jesus is.

Jesus is Lord! The Lord of all, Who whilst on earth, assumed human form, experienced life down here on earth, understood all our anxieties and pain and loved us all so much that He went to the cross and endured excruciating agonies and eventual death in an amazing Exchange - an Exchange that if we confessed the truth and value of that exchange, makes it possible for us to receive and know God's amazing forgiveness for the sins we have all perpetrated in our lifetime - sins and secrets and guilts that weigh us down so much.

And then, on the third day after His crucifixion, and by an act of immeasurable Supernatural Power, Jesus rose from the grave, defeating death and darkness and demonstrating that Eternal life is not just some mythical idea.

And because I have accepted this awesome and unique and loving Jesus as my Saviour, then on that Day when we are all called to stand before God the Father, then on that day, His son's righteousness living in me will be my passport and safe passage to eternal peace and joy in an Awesome, Eternal Kingdom, too amazing to be described in human terms! You are all invited too!

This is who I believe Jesus is.
 
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MyDoorsAreOpen said:
And deep down, we all hope and wish that what he believed is truly possible, and all yearn for the courage to actually live as though it were true, and in so doing make it true.
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But it is possible...above all, Jesus needs to become more ALIVE in our hearts, not our intellects.
 
"My Kingdom is not of this World"

Many of his followers were disappointed when he showed no interest in taking on wordly power when he probably could have.

He came to teach the life of the spirit, purely, and even in the Bible is very explicit in this.
 
Jesus is a brother from Compton

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Ninae said:
"My Kingdom is not of this World"

Many of his followers were disappointed when he showed no interest in taking on wordly power when he probably could have.

He came to teach the life of the spirit, purely, and even in the Bible is very explicit in this.
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Yeah, I wasn't saying that he was trying to become a political leader but that he was essentially a rebellious and culturally subversive individual who was a threat to the status quo. I highly respect that aspect of my understanding of jesus :)
 
He really didn't try to get involved in the political environment. It was they who kept an eye on him. As they couldn't help notice his sway over the masses and it concerned them.

It was also the time he was tempted by "The Devil" (though I think this is more a metaphor for the dark forces in this world or the dark side of himself) "If you will only fall down and worship me (come over to our side) I will give you possession of all the kingdoms of this world".

But he just gave him the finger up.
 
rickolasnice said:
Ummm.. yeah.. Blindly follow, blindly believe, do not use logic, reason or any kind of intellect to discern reality from delusion / fantasy.. sums up faith pretty good.. Jolly good ol bean.
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You blindly believe there is no God. What proof do you have discrediting God? Do you have any empirical data or evidence? How can you confirm that God isn't reality? How do you know for certain that you're not actually living in a delusional fantasy?

Please don't hijack my topic. All I'm simply asking people is what they believe about Jesus and who he is, not if God exists. My intent wasn't to generate a debate. There's other threads to discuss that.

Thanks to those for their thoughtout responses thus far.
 
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Alls I'm gonna say is, I'm an Atheist and I didn't choose to be. I just don't believe in Jesus or any other "God" and I wish I did but it's just not a part of me. I wish I had atheist friends because it's lonely.
 
rickolasnice said:
Ummm.. yeah.. Blindly follow, blindly believe, do not use logic, reason or any kind of intellect to discern reality from delusion / fantasy.. sums up faith pretty good.. Jolly good ol bean.
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Heart doesn't equal No Mind. We were given both to work with them together, preferably seeing something through both lenses at the same time, as they have their own strengths (and weaknesses).

But as God is a god of LOVE - Christ and the great mystics recommend we use our hearts first and foremost if we want to find God (while we're influenced by our culture to not listen to our hearts).

Apart from that, I come from a non-religious environment (not anti, just none) and grew up as an agnostic/atheist until I started questioning these things for myself and reading high quality spiritual material around 17 and started having my own personal experiences.

For me, this was almost like a teenage-rebellion, like someone from a Christian background might feel they're rebelling by becoming an atheist. Could it sometimes be more about or ego or developing our sense of identity than the actual issue? Or sometimes as simple as that?

But I really find with this the issue that it's more about depth - how deeply you're willing to go. It's easy being an agnostic or atheist, you don't need to lift a finger for it, just sit back and watch the world go by. While being a genuine believer in this world which seems so far from God takes a lot of work (there are many unhappy atheists who are just too lazy to do the work it takes).
 
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Tromps said:
You blindly believe there is no God. What proof do you have discrediting God? Do you have any empirical data or evidence? How can you confirm that God isn't reality? How do you know for certain that you're not actually living in a delusional fantasy?

Thanks to those for their thoughtout responses thus far.
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Believing something is not knowing something.. You can't blindly disbelieve in something which has no evidence to back it up.

Are you saying you blindly disbelieve that Hitler is enjoying an earl grey on the moon with Elma Thud? You ignorant fool.

Tromps said:
Please don't hijack my topic. All I'm simply asking people is what they believe about Jesus and who he is, not if God exists. My intent wasn't to generate a debate. There's other threads to discuss that.
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Tromps said:
What do you believe about Jesus?

Was he a revolutionist? An inspirational teacher with a profound message? A man leading a movement of freedom? Some great philosopher of his time? One of the prophets? A highly spiritual & enlightened individual? Simply a fictional character who never existed? Son of the living God, God incarnate?
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I believe I answered the OP within the topic of the thread..

I'm sorry my opinion does not agree with yours.
 
rickolasnice said:
Believing something is not knowing something..
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So then there should be no intelligent, logical, or reasonable atheists. Since you can't actually know that there is no God, you would have to concede you don't know, making you agnostic. If you're self-proclaimed atheist, you're either arrogantly saying you know there is no God (ignorance), or you believe there is no God without proof, which by definition, takes faith.

rickolasnice said:
I believe I answered the OP within the topic of the thread..
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You did, and then followed up with a personal attack on Ninae's beliefs.
 
Yeah rick, I'm not liking the attitude you're copping in this thread. I'm going to ask you to change it or pipe down in this conversation. Tromps asked you very politely to stop hijacking his thread with your attacks on people who don't see things your way. That's a perfectly reasonable request; the forum rules are explicitly protective of the right to ask that the idea you're about to kick around not be torn apart by people who think it has no merit. You're not new here -- if you didn't know this is how things work, you're the one coming off like an ignorant fool.

Are you OK these days, rick? It seems like you just can't contain your rage when confronted with people who cannot grasp what to you seems patently obvious: that Christianity is a scam. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to be a common theme for you recently. You weren't always so full of rage. What happened to the chill, insightful PD regular? PM me if you want to chat anytime, dude.
 
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