Who else here thinks Alcohol SUCKS

[Morrison's Lament]

Review and elaboration of previous post, not applicable to this thread :

This has to be the most thoroughly referenced flamewar of all time

I'm just waiting for:
"Fuck you and your dirty whore of a mother!!!" (Harrington, 1967, p.29)
"You, sir, are completely full of shit!" (Smith, 1984, p.463)


References:

Harrington, B. (1967) 'Why your mother is a dirty whore' as first published in Falkner, et. al (ed.) (1967) Comparitive studies in motherwhorology - with a focus on yo momma pp. 1-226

Smith, F. (1984) 'Reasons and arguments for your being full of shit' first published in Hauptenheimer et. al (1984) Journal for the study of your unbelievable stupidity pp. 322-535

 

[7zark7]

Review and elaboration of previous post, not applicable to this thread :

Brilliant! I'm still laughing as I type this!

 

[Karaboudjan]

I fucking hate alcohol. It's too expensive, it makes people violent, it makes people tired and depress as opposed to happy and alert like other drugs can do, it's damaging to your health and last but not least, I always throw up after the smallest amounts of it! Fuck alcohol, I have GBL

 

[gloggawogga]

As a spectator, I always enjoy seeing the two of you get into it - because despite the acrimony the sense of competition means it usually ends up with a bunch of ridiculously well referenced posts on both sides that are frankly a pleasure to read

Well its great to know paradoxcycle and I have fans

 

[Morrison's Lament]

"Yes, but don't push your luck!" (Barrett, 2003, p. 124)

References:

Barrett, J. (2003) 'Luck pushing: a crytical analysis' as first published in Butterworth, et. al (2003) The book of conveniently titled chapters pp. 58-128

--- G.

 

[paradoxcycle]

Well its great to know paradoxcycle and I have fans

We make a good team

 

[squidhead]

With booze, you lose...all you need is weed.

Oh man, I gotta jump on this wagon too. Been 'on the wagon' for 7 yrs now after a 25 yr binge. I'd drink at least a 12-pack nightly for 10 of those 25 yrs too & my hangovers got to the point of lasting longer than the alcohol buzz the previous night!!
I didn't feel 'normal' until I had about 3-4 beers in me, but getting those down was rough towards the end of my boozin' days. I'd be at the bar [we all were like a big, happy family of drunks] every night & sometimes pull a 12 to 14 hr stint at the bar.
But as I aged [I'm 51], I really got sick & tired of always feeling sick & tired. The hangovers got so fuckin brutal, I felt like death warmed over. I knew I couldn't keep the lifestyle anymore & just quit. No detox. No rehab...just stopped, which maybe could've been dumb & sent my system into shock, but after about 5 days of feeling like I had the worst flu ever, I never wanted to even SEE a beer again...or a shot...or a glass of wine -- nothing, but WEED!!
Weed has been there for me for 36 yrs now & it's THE best high & you never feel shitty from it...at least I haven't. But pot is definitely the best thing for you.

 

[lee harvey]

I believe there is an inverse relationship between heroin addicts and alcohol use but the rest of your statement is BS, not to mention completely irrelevant to my first argument. To be honest, the only reason I think you THINK it's a "smarter" high is because you're off the junk now.

I can recall being wasted high on smack, this was the outcome: staggering around, not able to type, not able to read, seeing double, hallucinating, having subconsciously activated dreamstates while awake, and not able to *think* straight at all and not being able to think deeply in any solid way, totally superficial clouded animalian thought laced in with a very fucking high euphoria that makes one *feel* so good that there is no need for deep thought even if one could attain it.

The result from alchohol intoxication is much the same, except physically, there can be a feeling of illness if you don't mix 50/50 water with your booze and the euphoria isn't as potent. Except here's the difference; when at the point where one can say they are "quite drunk" there is a place of very deep and crytal clear thinking the mind can go that I can describe as nothing less then psychadelic and very clean and deep, coming from the medial temporal lobe (limbic region) and specifically the amygdala and hypocampus - instead of the backbrain where heroin activation is primary, and the alchohol crisp thoughts are retainable outside the experience, wheras heroin thoughts are really just fluffy dreams in a blanket.

You gotta be good at meditation to get there. Most druggies are naturally good at it.

 

[chaosgardens]

I'm gonna have to reply to this thread. Alcohol sucks? Alcohol only sucks when you have too much of it and you can't think or do shit. It seems to me a lot of people here think the whole purpose of alcohol is to drink yourself into oblivion and make yourself ill. No kids, that's not what alcohol's use is, that's not how you use it. Alcohol is great in social situations, just stick to your limit and don't get to the puking stage. Alcohol is for use in moderation, in social circles, the mood lift, the relaxation, the anxiety-free feeling is just all too great. You've just got to be careful with alcohol that's all, just don't turn yourself into an alcoholic and it can be used safely. There are better drugs out there but alcohol is still good if you know how to use it properly.

I also hugely disagree that alcohol all of a sudden turns you violent. It all depends on the person and his/her attitude before drinking. I find that alcohol just chills me the fuck out and I am nice to anyone I come into contact with. It's just generally a chill drug which gets rid of anxiety and other annoyances. Again, it goes back down to the simple rule, use it responsibly.

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

chaosgardens, I'm with you. Alcohol is a drug that's best enjoyed in small doses. I find I've gotten into the habit of walking down to a quaint old little dive bar in my city 4~5 days each week and having 1 pint of cheap beer over the course of like 1/2 an hour. Everybody there knows me now, and I catch up with local chitchat with the clientele there (mostly impoverished intellectuals from many walks of life), watch the Simpsons or Family Guy if I'm there at the right time, or read the paper. It's an entire experience, not just booze, and one drink is all it takes. As a matter of fact I always feel kind of foolish talking to somebody all sloppy and drunk, slurring words and letting things slip out I never really wanted to say, even at a bar. For a skinny dude like me, that's anything more than 2 pints.

Violent drunks shouldn't drink. Period. I can't possibly see what enjoyment they get out of a drug that has such an effect on them anyhow. At the aforementioned bar I go to, we have ZERO tolerance for belligerent drunks.

 

[LostInSpace]

I think alcohol is too often underrated by users of illegal drugs. But I think it's a great drug, you just have to learn how to do it properly like anything else...and it's different for everyone.

I think it is good in social situations, coke makes me feel weird unless I'm drinking too. But there is no doubt it is bad for you...only pot is safe in mass quantities.

The constant availability of alcohol is nice too...no looking around for it and wondering about quality, etc..

 

[glenn420]

I like alcohol when I have like 3-10 shots worth of hard stuff.
More than that and chances are I'll get out of control and smash something, insult someone i shouldn't or punch a random person in the face.

But I'm not against others drinking to their hearts content. Just as long as they dont bash my pot n meth use.

 

[shahab6]

I only like alcohol mix with coke or benzod,

 

[svacheme]

I was fairly surprised back when I first learned that alcohol boosted dopamine levels and therefore apparently makes people feel good; and that naloxone was effective in blocking the pleasure that alcoholics get from drinking. I suspect peoples neurochemistry varies, since I and alot of other people I know simply derive absolutely no pleasure from alcohol whatsoever. It just makes me feel stupid, slow, sick, and generally impaired... no amount of alcohol no matter how big or small seems to release any dopamine at all for me. I had that figured out before I ever tried real euphoric drugs like coke and opiates that really get the dopamine going. I would suspect that people who become alcoholics get alot more dopamine release from drinking than most people, and a complete lack of it explains how people like me derive absolutely no pleasure at all from it.

 

[iamhigh!!]

i hate the shit, sloppy fuckin high, i feel like shit when i drink, totally unenjoyable, taste like shit to, you even feel like shit the next day.

most people my age drink(16) but god forbid them doing drugs,ohhhhhhhhhh noooooooooooo, yea but drinking every night is much better for you ,fuckin morons

 

[squidhead]

i hate the shit, sloppy fuckin high, i feel like shit when i drink, totally unenjoyable, taste like shit to, you even feel like shit the next day.

most people my age drink(16) but god forbid them doing drugs,ohhhhhhhhhh noooooooooooo, yea but drinking every night is much better for you ,fuckin morons

You're a smart young man. I only wish it didn't take me 25 yrs to figure that out. Been sober for 7 yrs now.

 

[BreakingSet]

So there are chemicals out there that make one feel closer to God, then there's alcohol which makes one feel closer to a monkey. Alcohol, I'm guessing, kills more people every year than all hallucinogens combined.

If I drink anything, I prefer Jagermeister and dark liquors. The dark drinks tend to act more as a drug somehow; it may be the sugar content, or maybe there's some thujone containing priciple. I'm not sure about all that.

I'd rather have a beer than a cigarette.

 

[squidhead]

Alcohol, I'm guessing, kills more people every year than all hallucinogens combined.

Than all other drugs combined.

 

[paradoxcycle]

"Yes, but don't push your luck!"
(Barrett, 2003, p. 124)

References:

Barrett, J. (2003) 'Luck pushing: a crytical analysis' as first published in Butterworth, et. al (2003) The book of conveniently titled chapters pp. 58-128


--- G.

LOL! :D