Which Psychedelics are Least/Most immersive? Thoughts on NBOME's

[freedstar]

Which Psychedelics do you find provide that "magical" experience in which you can become immersed in the trip? Give other details too, dose/setting/people/etc. And which do you find more capable of doing this, even without regarding setting. DMT and the like can be excluded.

I ask because after gaining some experience with other people on NBOME compounds Isee that they never really have any major changes in their logical thinking process. Doses were 1-1.5mg buccal held in mouth properly. Surely you can get very very high, especially with some music. But your always 'all there' if you know what I mean.

I assume most people will say the clasics like LSD, Mushrooms, Peyote and i'd have to agree.


Out of the not-so-many other chemicals i've tasted I find

4-aco-dmt Almost gives me the feeling of slipping into a dream. I've taken this pretty deep when at first I thought it wasn't possible.
2c-e For me it was truly special only once. I believe it is very capable but the body load, speediness, anorexia, and analyticalness is something that does not sit well with me.

Haven't tried other 4-subs, 2c's, or DOx's.



What do you go to when your looking for that special trip?

 

[IamMe90]

I disagree with NBOMEs not being mentally immersive, it just depends on the dosage. Let me tell you that 1mg 25i-nbome nasally was incredibly immersive to the point where I wouldn't take that dose again. It was by far the most analytically rigorous and mentally intricate trip I've ever experienced, I can't even articulate in words the kind of logical depth that was going on in my mind. To put it metaphorically, it was like life was a stratego game, every decision/movement was like a move in the game, and every second I was planning my strategy 500 moves in advance.

 

[any major dude]

dosage and setting definitely play a large role in subjective immersion. One of the most immersive trips i've had in recent memory was on 25E-nBOMe, total mind meld with the universe. For that i was laying on a friends couch, & had dosed 750μg via vaporization. Think there's a mini-TR in the 25E thread regarding that experience. However on 25C, and an earlier 25E experience i experienced mostly eye-candy & mentally i was on a level similar to a particularly strong but non-anxious cannabis high combined with increased alertness & vigilance. These things, at least IME, tend to vary quite a bit from experience to experience, even with the same substance.

 

[freedstar]

I don't wanna sound like i'm knocking NBOME's or anything. I'm not sure if I really worded my first post right either. I was given new perspectives on family relationships and a whole bunch of other deep junk from 25D. Theres definitely major changes in thinking process. I'd say heightened in many many ways.

And to be fair I still haven't tried 25E or a strong dose of 25I.

I've taken 4-aco-dmt and went walking in some nearby woods and really had no idea where I was judging from my surroundings. I could of been in a jungle for all I knew :D

 

[Erny]

I disagree with NBOMEs not being mentally immersive, it just depends on the dosage. Let me tell you that 1mg 25i-nbome nasally was incredibly immersive to the point where I wouldn't take that dose again. It was by far the most analytically rigorous and mentally intricate trip I've ever experienced, I can't even articulate in words the kind of logical depth that was going on in my mind. To put it metaphorically, it was like life was a stratego game, every decision/movement was like a move in the game, and every second I was planning my strategy 500 moves in advance.

You wish to name that "a trip". It sounds like you're not telling the whole story, this was certainly not sane.

What you've described sound very much like my experience with 4 mgs of 2C-B-NBOMe, that I think should better be called paranoid psychosis. It started with panic, but ended with me resolving the puzzle, that triggered one of the most powerful euphoric states I've ever been into . That was what I meant when I wrote that psychosis isn't something necessarily dark and negative, It may be extremely positive. Yes, it gives you no moment of peace, making you feeling yourself extremely overloaded mentally with that strategy. So that it's not possible to begin thinking about what you are actually doing. And is like a sophisticated puzzle being solved with many ends tied together in proper place and proper time. Step by step, over the hours. :D

I do agree this is a bit too much of it to ever want it to happen with you again.

 

[IamMe90]

You wish to name that "a trip". It sounds like you're not telling the whole story, this was certainly not sane.

What you've described sound very much like my experience with 4 mgs of 2C-B-NBOMe, that I think should better be called paranoid psychosis. It started with panic, but ended with me resolving the puzzle, that triggered one of the most powerful euphoric states I've ever been into . That was what I meant when I wrote that psychosis isn't something necessarily dark and negative, It may be extremely positive. Yes, it gives you no moment of peace, making you feeling yourself extremely overloaded mentally with that strategy. So that it's not possible to begin thinking about what you are actually doing. And is like a sophisticated puzzle being solved with many ends tied together in proper place and proper time. Step by step, over the hours. :D

I do agree this is a bit too much of it to ever want it to happen with you again.

Oh yes, I'll pretty much agree here. I should have made it clearer that I don't think all of this "planning" was done in a lucid manner or that all of these strategies were coherent, but it certainly felt that way. That is, someone said that 25i wasn't "deep" - I simply meant to assert that subjectively, I experienced (italicized for emphasis on experience) one of the most mentally analytical states I've ever been in on a psychedelic. That doesn't mean it was veracious or helped me learn some truth, but it was quite a profound experience. And, again, like you confirmed, it was an experience I would never choose to repeat. But it was quite interesting. It was a bit psychotic, I suppose, but only retrospectively. At the time it felt like pure precision, albeit in a very dysphoric sense.

 

[plusfourpirate]

DOC @ 4-5 mg was one of the most immersive trips i've ever had. layers upon layers of walls of visuals that i could literally push out the way w my hands only to make way for a diff pattern..frequently losing touch w where i was, who i was with, even who i was at times.

~400ug of quality LSD(my sweet spot) is extremely immersive as well; ex- ive seen water rising from the ground in my room, as my bed began to rock like a boat, and bubbles formed and popped explodong into colors through my peripheral. beeeauutiful! any more than that and i go into psychedelic blackout mode, which can be very intersting leading up to, but in retrospect, always feels like a bit of a waste bc you go so deep you come to and miss a bunch of your trip.

DMT, is of course, extremely immersive as well. for me around 75mg vaped...any more than that and its dreamland. for some ppl dreamland is the desired location, but i like to ride the line so i dont lose alot of the memory.

some other extremely immersive exp for me include 30mg 2c-e, 40-50mg 2c-b, and 50mg 4ho-met(my new peronal fav, and the only thing to bring me to a ++++ in the past couple yrs ). ive said this before- many ppl find it to lack depth, and that may be the case w a 15-20mg dose. go for 40-50mg and reevaluate its depth.it brought me to what some would i guess call a spiritual expereince. its extremely gentle and forgiving..if youre an exp psychonaut you should be able to handle it no prob.

 

[clubberdude]

I disagree with NBOMEs not being mentally immersive, it just depends on the dosage. Let me tell you that 1mg 25i-nbome nasally was incredibly immersive to the point where I wouldn't take that dose again. It was by far the most analytically rigorous and mentally intricate trip I've ever experienced, I can't even articulate in words the kind of logical depth that was going on in my mind. To put it metaphorically, it was like life was a stratego game, every decision/movement was like a move in the game, and every second I was planning my strategy 500 moves in advance.

Damn! You do realise that you have made me really want to try 25I-nBOME now! The hyper-analytical edge of DOC is the reason it is my favourite psychedelic drug. What you've just described sounds incredible.