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Which opiate is the best?

hydromorphone and oxymorphone seem to me to be like "your going to be UNCOMFORTABLY SEDATED!!!"
the codones seem to me like the best but very addictive, short, and they have a lot of uncomfortable side effects like lightheadedness.

i only have had fentanyl once and thats when i woke up out of surgery screaming in agony and they quickly sedated me with fentanyl. Needless to say i dont remember much of the experience other than i was TIRED

codeine was the first opiate i tried and those experiences i had with codeine before i go into heavier opiates were SO MUCH BETTER than anything ever. Too bad now when i try codeine i dont feel a damn thing.

oh yeah and morphine was just okay in my opinion. The first time i tried it i couldnt piss to save my life.
 
^ yet still... those diconal pills have cyclizine in them.. and that is part of the special appeal.. i'm going to give you guys a link that is evidence of some rather hardcore abuse in Ireland, where i think it was furst introduce as:

Misuse of a Morphine Alternative (Diconal)
MICHAEL G. KELLY
M.D., M.R.C.Psych., D.P.M.
Drug Advisory Centre
Jervis Street Hospital
DICONAL, a combination of dipipanone hydrochloride BP 10 mg., and cyclizine hydrochloride BP 30 mg., was only available in Ireland in tablet form, pink, scored and uncoated. The rapid-acting anti-emetic cyclizine is included in the preparation to counteract any nausea or vomiting which may arise from dipipanone usage. The combination is also marketed under another brand name. Dipipanone is also available in the United Kingdom in parenteral form. Contra-indications to its use are hepatic and renal disease.
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Full Article (you will love this)

.. i think more people should tey cyclizine+opiate/oid of choice, and see if they enjoy it, cyclizine is mostly sold over here because it's so cheap. and it comes in 50mg tabs!
though i'm not saying that dipanone isn't a sexy opoid, because i never got to try it out.

here almost every anti-histamine, anti-emetic, is OTC for some strange reason,
all of these:

mebhydroline (Incidal, Mebhydroline), buclizine (Longifène), mequitazine (Mircol), cyproheptadine (Periactin), promethazine (Promethazine, Phenergan), dexchloorfeniramine (Polaramine), clemastine (Tavegil), terfenadine (Triludan), dimetindeen (Fenistil), tripelennamine (Tripelennamine), cetirizine (Zyrtec), loratadine (Claritine), ketotifen (Zaditen), oxatomide (Tinset), acrivastine (Semprex), ebastine (Kestine), fexofenadine (Telfast) en mizolastine (Mizollen).

and over the course of many years i've seen all but phenergan on the otc shellfs of pharmacy's. and guess what they dispense @ the methadone post to a lot of long time addict. yes, promethazine.
it's a bit of a grey area prescribing, some really strong anti-histamines act as a sort of anti psychotic... and it also potentiates opiat/oids.
so i think they just give it addicts that have voilent temper to keep them a bit more sedated. but even promethazine can be ordered online, in Holland we still have those "online consult" bullshit, where the doc sends you a mail asking for your complaints, and medication that you want (no shit)
so i was like due to the death of a near one i am getting almost no sleep, and this is affecting my work.. so ideal would be like i read on your site under "sleeping medication" that alprazolam is "short acting" , so i should be able to appear freah on my worksite right? (all in dutch offcourse)
and i promptly get a prescription for alprazolam, and in a few days a package arrived, i even have this old pic.. i'll upload it and post the link here.. it's funny dutch generic alprazolam 0.5MG !!!! woohoo. well i just ate a lot @ the same time ok here is my parkit link (pluging in my windows shell menu, i can upload any file with one click and the offer for download. http://www.driveway.com/igakg17738

yeah the methadone program that i am in is for the dead walking. i'm the youngest, healthiest, most good looking (not being arrogant, the rest lives on the street, and are totally fucked)
but it's also fun and handy in a way, the meds that some of these ppl get... insane.. like : 6mg flunitrazepam dd
30x10mg diazapam handed at once, use at will
methadone 220mg
promethazine 100mg dd
and from the benzo's they sell to people like me, they also buy additional heroin and base cocaine, all day every day.
i used to be in a more suitable program for functioning people, and younger, but i got kicked out for having every pissest (but one) dirty over the course of a year. i told them not to waste their money. the situation where i'm @ is pretty sick.. i can up my methadone whenever i want. the only time i was not given my dose there was when i just had a huuuuge shot of heroin, a small OD basically, and the diazepam from the night before made it ever worse..
but other than that, always.

the only thing harder to get prescribed over here that is harder are opiates/iods en benzodiazepines for young people. esp. the new generation of doctors F I N A L L Y have had some addiction and addiction prevention classes.

i'm getting tired of typing:
the end
 
Fentanyl, I think im one of the few people who find it euphoric, and I never fail to hit a nod on it, and im perscribed copious amounts, so its win all around.

Only downfall of it is from high to sick can be as few as 3 hours when working with extracted powder, so i prefer time release patches placed in my mouth (usually full 8.6mg patches, but as low as 1.7mg when i wanna feel good but still function normally) [PS I love it orally, I dont know what you smokers see in it. Also IV'd or IM'd its the shit, its like being turned into a slow-motion version of yourself, spending 4-5 hours staring at your shoes for the win!]

My list;
1.Fentanyl
2.OxyCodone
3.Hydromorphone
4.Morphine
5.Demerol
 
They are not on your list

KnightMetal said:
Which opiate is the best?

1. Hydrocodone
2. Oxycodone
3. Hydromorphone
4. Oxymorphone
5. Other ___________(specify)

I pick the Hydros.
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You're kidding right? Other than oxymorphone, you haven't even listed any of the highly euphorigenic opioids like fentanyl, phenazocine, phenethyl normorphine, 6-MAM.

I certainly haven't been lucky enough to experiment with some of the more unusual opiates like etonitazene and ketobemidone. And every time I have managed to get a little phenazocine or phenethyl normorphine, I have not had any propionanilides like fentanyl or AMF handy. I have compared it directly to oxymorphone--which is by far the most euphoric of what you have listed, iv anyway--the C-14 OH group on oxycodone and oxymorphone change the addiction liability greatly both in humans and in conditioned preference testing in primates and rodents (in other words they will self-administer the oxymorphone first), and I would say fentanyl or AMF beat it hands down.

If you have ever had a month long or longer run on some of the propionanilides and then tried to switch to even oxymorphone, no matter how much you do there is the feeling that something is not right (in me anyway.) Even a couple of shots of fentanyl now will cast me into a few day of depression, a depression that no opioid save another propionanilide will relieve. Now I am not talking about standard primary withdrawals like dope sickness cravings, diarrhea and vomiting, etc,. and you may be able to say it is a post acute or secondary phase of withdrawal, but I am not sure that categorizes it. It reminds me of a binge with cocaine or some of the cocaine analogues, where there seems to be a serious dopamine depletion in the NA (Nucleus Accumbens.)

MobiusDick
 
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Mylan patches are the best patches

Ungoliath said:
Fentanyl, I think im one of the few people who find it euphoric, and I never fail to hit a nod on it, and im perscribed copious amounts, so its win all around.

Only downfall of it is from high to sick can be as few as 3 hours when working with extracted powder, so i prefer time release patches placed in my mouth (usually full 8.6mg patches, but as low as 1.7mg when i wanna feel good but still function normally) [PS I love it orally, I dont know what you smokers see in it. Also IV'd or IM'd its the shit, its like being turned into a slow-motion version of yourself, spending 4-5 hours staring at your shoes for the win!]

My list;
1.Fentanyl
2.OxyCodone
3.Hydromorphone
4.Morphine
5.Demerol
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I think any of the people who don't find fentanyl euphoric have probably just worn the patches as directed. What a waste. The Mylan patches that do not have any gel in them are the best if you are going to go that route. I find that rinsing your mouth with some ethanol or IPA (just to disrupt the buccal membranes and then cutting the patch in 4 and sticking a piece in each quarter buccally (that is between your cheek and gums) releases the fentanyl somewhat quickly (within the hour.) You don't really have to worry about swallowing much of it like with the gel patches and it does not increase salvation like the gel does. NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT FOR SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE A HABIT AS THE 100 MICROGRAM PER HOUR PATCHES HAVE 10 MGS OF FENTANYL IN THEM AND THIS IS ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU OD IF YOU ARE GETTING HIGH FROM A FEW NORCO'S.

MobiusDick
 
lyXw33d said:
Oxymorphone and hydromorphone probably tie in terms of strongest euphoria, but for some reason, I've always enjoyed hydrocodone the most out of those 4. I get the greatest "warm/humble" feeling on the hydrocodone and it's the only one out of those on which I get zero nausea. Anybody else feel the same way?
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i get the same warmness out of hydro but no nausea from any others so..
 
diacetylmorphine - or heroin. I started with hydrocodone then switched to oxycodone where I developed quite a nastly little habit. But then I switched to Heroin, and I could never go back. I'll do oxy here and there, but ALWAYS heroin over oxycodone. Ox's just make me feel sick and stop me from being able to eat. I can live life semi-normally while under the influence of heroin.
 
MobiusDick said:
I think any of the people who don't find fentanyl euphoric have probably just worn the patches as directed. What a waste. The Mylan patches that do not have any gel in them are the best if you are going to go that route. I find that rinsing your mouth with some ethanol or IPA (just to disrupt the buccal membranes and then cutting the patch in 4 and sticking a piece in each quarter buccally (that is between your cheek and gums) releases the fentanyl somewhat quickly (within the hour.) You don't really have to worry about swallowing much of it like with the gel patches and it does not increase salvation like the gel does. NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT FOR SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE A HABIT AS THE 100 MICROGRAM PER HOUR PATCHES HAVE 10 MGS OF FENTANYL IN THEM AND THIS IS ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU OD IF YOU ARE GETTING HIGH FROM A FEW NORCO'S.

MobiusDick
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W O R D.

that's how i always promoted the use of these things. fentanyl was actually my FIRST opiiod, no shit. but i did my homework. so i used a tiny piece of the patch , slid it under my tongue and the feeling i got was indescribeable. i would love to see if i could still get the same high out of a patch.

but the people who wear them over here tend to die pretty fast(RIP))..
so sourcing is... incosistent to say the least. and scripting it to myself, would land me in jail i guess.. benzo's and smalltime and stuff from list 3 from the dutch parm. opiumlaw, as they call it here. it's lot different from basically anything out there in the world. we basically dive the "Real" drugs into two catgegories, the harddrugs, which are:

In order of "risk that government think usage brings with it, and penalty's"
Heroïne
Cocaïne
Opium
LSD
Amfetamine
Ecstasy en
Speed

see the difference between amphetamine and speed?
that's beccause here we have the almost pure dextro-amphetamine, it carry's a higher penalty than the usually much more weaker amphetamine. and why lsd is still up there no one knows.. even the cops on the street know it's not addictive, and the scene around it is pretty cozy.. basically the squatters is where you want to go and score acid. (oh an dextro, and speed) :X <3
(that's when things CAN get nasty, when there is a speed lab in a squat and there are like massive quantities, and some criminal friend from the outside finances it, they binge on it so hardcore, that they get really bad psychosis, violent, and sometimes forced in a mental institution untill it get's better.)
------->
softdrugs AKA light narcotics, are:
marihuana (of wiet) en hasjiesj (of hasj)
-hash oil, the reaaaaally pure extract, is treated as a harddrug (sometimes)
a) because it resembles heroin, so by mistake bisically
b) sometime the narcs know that the effect of some types of hash oil ore so hardcore, and adictive, the charge you with posession of a harddrug. but mostly you will get away with it, in small quantities.

but the government doesn't know shit about all of this, and they don't care, so i can not get into trouble writing all this. posting the pictures that i do, unless it becomes like kilo's of coke or heroin. the main harddrug import/selling is where the action is. and if you can eat some of the big cheese before it get's sold on. MAN you have some shit let me tell you.

anyway what is legal or semi-legal here would get you killed in fucking Singappore, or Thailand, beautiful country's but i've been there, as a Heroin addict, a dimension get's added that is SO surreal. here you have in your possesion, a purified plant alkaloid, that will put a bullet through your brain if the wrong person found out. and China, no F#cking way, it may be less notorious, but even as a tourist you being watched all the time by those stupid ass government agents. no shit. and no it's not paranoia, they are the ones who are paranoid. do NOT go to china with anything illegal even in mind, cause they watch your every move. once you are in Thailan or Singapore they atleast leave you alone.
 
MobiusDick said:
I think any of the people who don't find fentanyl euphoric have probably just worn the patches as directed. What a waste. The Mylan patches that do not have any gel in them are the best if you are going to go that route. I find that rinsing your mouth with some ethanol or IPA (just to disrupt the buccal membranes and then cutting the patch in 4 and sticking a piece in each quarter buccally (that is between your cheek and gums) releases the fentanyl somewhat quickly (within the hour.) You don't really have to worry about swallowing much of it like with the gel patches and it does not increase salvation like the gel does. NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT FOR SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE A HABIT AS THE 100 MICROGRAM PER HOUR PATCHES HAVE 10 MGS OF FENTANYL IN THEM AND THIS IS ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU OD IF YOU ARE GETTING HIGH FROM A FEW NORCO'S.

MobiusDick
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I auctually prefer the mylan/gel-less ovre gelled, one reason is the generic non gels, a 100mcg/h patch has 16.9mg of fent in it, compared to 10mg in a duragesic.

Its better because of fents short duration, pure fents kinda harsh on the body, extended release is hella better. I live my life with a chunk of patch in my mouth.
 
Cant make up my mind between oral/intranasal oxycontin... cant quite put my finger on that subtle difference...
 
delltreeguy said:
Heroin is my favorite. Then comes hydrocodone.
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wow.. someone with the same thoughts as I.

people always say to me, why the hydro?

well......because IT WORKS for me!

someone said awhile back that hydrocodone was for low tolerance people, i dont really see how I am low-tolerance when I like Heroin, then hydrcodone.
 
MobiusDick said:
I think any of the people who don't find fentanyl euphoric have probably just worn the patches as directed. What a waste. The Mylan patches that do not have any gel in them are the best if you are going to go that route. I find that rinsing your mouth with some ethanol or IPA (just to disrupt the buccal membranes and then cutting the patch in 4 and sticking a piece in each quarter buccally (that is between your cheek and gums) releases the fentanyl somewhat quickly (within the hour.) You don't really have to worry about swallowing much of it like with the gel patches and it does not increase salvation like the gel does. NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT FOR SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE A HABIT AS THE 100 MICROGRAM PER HOUR PATCHES HAVE 10 MGS OF FENTANYL IN THEM AND THIS IS ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU OD IF YOU ARE GETTING HIGH FROM A FEW NORCO'S.

MobiusDick
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I will have to try that, I get the JANNSEN ones. Interesting.
 
The concept of "best" is highly subjective as well as the opiate experience. What is your definition of best? The most euphoric, intense? This question does not seem to be viable. I LOVE hydrocodone with just the same love that I love my oxycodone, but I love them differently.

Hydrocodone is often dismissed by expert opiate enthusiasts because its simply mostly unavailable without the APAP. Despite Hydrocodone being subjectively slightly weaker, its effects are simply different than those of Oxycodone and other opioids. I believe that with the dose high enough, very pronounced opioid effects are achievable. It's effects seem to lie somewhere between Oxycodone and morphine, if such can even be quantitated. In any case, it is my no means inferior in my book, just different and if it was available at high doses without the APAP, its abuse would probably be just as severe as Oxycontin's, think Hydrocontin!
 
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