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RCs Which is the worst GABAergic sedative you have ever taken? (Benzos, Z-Drugs, ludes, Phenibut, GBL etc.)

What's mean worst?as to sleep for me most effective is zopiclone.have tried this only once and one tablet puts me to sleep after half hour till the next morning.never had tried zolpidem so idk nothing about it....benzos.....are benzos...Pregabs are effective like substitution some kind for benzos,helps with opioid withdrawl,sedative also,but till u ain't got tolerance they act upon me a little bit like low dose MDMA.....nice feeling,but it last a couple of days only...idk nothin' about phenibut and gabapentine..the last is on the shelves here,but never had to tried it...guess ain't got no interest.may be because I am already on pregabs....barbs are only distant dream from the past.that's it
PS....ain't got any experience with qualude,ghb o GBL also
 
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Only yesterday someone I know mentioned that they had obtained a couple of 20mg zopiclone tablets from a friend. I was doubtful but it would seen such a formulation does exist. I wondered aloud if they really contained so much but was assured that just a quarter of a tablet was enough.

But my goodness, that seems like a LOT.
 
Yeah it's a lot. Probably another good candidate for worst gaba drug. Ok for occasional use. Probably worse than benzos long term. Especially once tolerance rises and you're taking 2-3 x 7.5mg a night. It's an insidious week fucker.
 
I suggest the Z-drugs were initially popular because in animal models self-administration rates would likely be lower than classic benzodiazepines i.e. for most, they are quite unpleasent. Human studies would likely produce the same results.

But I've noted that the minority that DO enjoy Z-drugs, they seem to be MORE problematic than classic benzodiazepines. Certainly they top benzodiazepines for people behaving in bizarre or even threatening ways. I think that bloke from REM got off quite a serious criminal charge based on the fact that he took a Z-drug on a flight but for whatever reason didn't sleep.

That's what you get with an a1b1 selective ligand. Loss of executive control combined with amnesia. Although I'm pretty sure the PILs specifically state that Z-drugs and alcohol should not be mixed.
 
Yeah, totally get that.

I used them heavily in the past but now avoid. Alprazolam seems a safer and more appropriate alternative. Nitrazepam too much of a hangover.

Despite having boxes of alpraz I've never been tempted to abuse them*. 1mg is plenty. I can see how some people could run into problems with them.

*(Aside from inclusion in the Trinity/Houston cocktail)
 
The best that works for anxiety "for me" is Clonazepam.Also it seemed like Primidone I tried one time was VERY good for sleep without a bad feeling like benedryl. And I think that primidone partly metabolizes to phenobarbital which is a barbiturate.
 
TheLightBringer said:
How was Alpha-Chloralose? If you have to liken it to another drug
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Rather boring, not much euphoria physically or mentally. A bit like gabapentin x baclofen for me.

Lots of physical muscle and mental relaxation though, like BDO or GBL, and at least more enjoyable than IPA, Acetone or Phenibut. Has delusions of sobriety compareable to weaker benzos like etizolam and diazepam etc.

Quite a narrow recreational dose index though, it is easy to overdo and blackout like it is on barbiturates and qualones.

It is still cool to have done it, but i would not go outta my way to try and find it, and have it again. It is sold as pesticide in europe, available easily and cheap. (rat/mouse poison specifically)
 
morphinolamine said:
Rather boring, not much euphoria physically or mentally. A bit like gabapentin x baclofen for me.

Lots of physical muscle and mental relaxation though, like BDO or GBL, and at least more enjoyable than IPA, Acetone or Phenibut. Has delusions of sobriety compareable to weaker benzos like etizolam and diazepam etc.

Quite a narrow recreational dose index though, it is easy to overdo and blackout like it is on barbiturates and qualones.

It is still cool to have done it, but i would not go outta my way to try and find it, and have it again. It is sold as pesticide in europe, available easily and cheap. (rat/mouse poison specifically)
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Yeah sounds like one of those drugs that is fun and novel to try once or twice just to say you tried another obscure way of getting high. Its available in northern europe as well so a little sad that I didnt try it when I still did drugs
 
Ativan (Lorazpam) & Lunesta (eszopiclone) are my jam.

I like Xanax (Alprazolam) but it wears off to fast & makes me forget everything that happened that day. I like Klonopin (Clonazepam) but it is too strong with my Roxicodone 210mg & Methadone 40mg.

I know Inapsine (Droperidol) is not a Benzo, Z-drug are barbiturate. Droperidol is favorite drug to get at the ER. I would rather have it over Versed (Midazolam). I also like Droperidol IV mixed with Haldlol IV, and Diluadid IV. this is the best combo for acute pain post-op IMO.
 
chippermonk said:
Way back when, I used to like Placidyl (ethchlorvynol) It was one of the few downers I actually enjoyed. It looked like a liquid inside a gelatin capsule ( I never opened one)
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Ya, the green monsters were 750mg I think. (?) Doctors were fairly liberal with Placidyl, Tuinal, Pentobarbital even Seconal if you found the right doctor. I think back on those days being just a kid 19 y/o still green. Doctors writing for pretty much what was asked for. Now I'm retired and I look back at barbiturates, Placidyl, Quaalude. They had some crazy dangerous medications back then. Mix some ethos in and a recipe for....well, something. Haha
 
My worst, recently tried: methoxyqualone pressed into Lemmon 714 tablets. 1 tablet (supposed to be 300mg but who knows) was fairly pleasant but gave me tremors so that I was very clumsy and couldn't write. I could ride a bike and had an overall relaxed and cheerful disposition. I crushed it and dissolved it as best I could in some lemon tea with a slug of brandy. Later in the experience I drank 1 pint of beer. When it was I over I thought that comparatively, 3 pints would be a better experience than 1 lemmon for a similar price. So next time I tried 2 Lemmons and 2 beers. Much more ataxia with this and speech slurred. I staggered around for a while and then went to bed, sleeping deeply. Not enthused with this experience either. Next time, 3 Lemmons dissolved I mulled wine and had drank 1 beer before. Within 1 hour I was incoherent and couldn't walk. Next thing I remember was being in a dream where my girlfriend and 2 blokes where holding me down in a brightly lit room preventing me from getting up to have a wee. I was worried I was going to wet myself so this happened several times with black outs in-between. Gradually it became apparent that this wasn't a dream and I was in ED. My girl had panicked, not knowing what I'd done, and called an ambulance. Yes. This was one of the most foolish and selfish things I have done and I have taken some lessons from it. I probably should have tried it with no alcohol but anyway, I don't think the pleasant aspects were worth the small "therapeutic" window and the side effects. GHB / GBL is much better, and safer. In fact it's my favourite downer. Lovely for dancing, cuddles and in larger doses gives a really good restorative sleep, unlike benzos and Zops.
 
Adarglas said:
methoxyqualone pressed into Lemmon 714 tablets
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I had a play around with this not too long ago, are you in the EU? just wondering if they are likely to same batch that's been going around.

3 with booze is a fair amount, think I was taking 2 with booze and redosing, though I have high alcohol tolerance, the big issue with methoxyqualone (and other lude analogues I think IIRC) is they have a comparatively narrow window between getting high and CNS issues, especially when adding in other CNS like alcohol - partly the reason for the lude ban historically.

Glad you made it through, can't have been a fun experience!
 
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Worst for me is gabapentin. No redeeming qualities and distorts my vision the next day. Had a hard time focusing (literally), which is a big problem in my line of work. As an aside, I prefer zopiclone to benzos for sleep. Benzos disinhibit me and make me stay up, but not zopiclone. For some reason, ambien has a paradoxi reaction for me and keeps me awake. It’s also easier to get a zopiclone rx than alprazolam.
 
placebonaut said:
I had a play around with this not too long ago, are you in the EU? just wondering if they are likely to same batch that's been going around.

3 with booze is a fair amount, think I was taking 2 with booze and redosing, though I have high alcohol tolerance, the big issue with methoxyqualone (and other lude analogues I think IIRC) is they have a comparatively narrow window between getting high and CNS issues, especially when adding in other CNS like alcohol - partly the reason for the lude ban historically.

Glad you made it through, can't have been a fun experience!'m in the UK
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I'm in the UK. I suspect it's all one producer. This pills are very firm presses, seem well made, but if there's much variability in the actual dose in there one could be caught out in a bad way. Be careful.
 
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