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Which Is The REAL Date Rape Drug?

Roofies were the real date rape drug. Over the past few years it seems that GHB has had more media exposure as a date rape drug. So I would have to say that while rohypnol was the real date rape drug GHB has taken that title away. Anyway the original was Queludes. God I wish they were still around. Thank god for Mexico & Mandrix...
 
The thing about Rohypnol is that it is all dyed blue these days and so will turn any drink blue. It even stains my teeth if I chew a tab! The ones sold here in Europe also contain bitterex (a VERY bitter substance), it would make any drink undrinkable (I get my rohypnol from a Russian doctor, the Russian ones are still blue but don't have the bitterex shit). As for GHB as a date rape drug: More media bullshit. First off the amount of GHB needed to put you under is about 6 grams of pure pharm grade powder. That amount more than fills a match box. You can't dissolve more than 2 grams of GHB in a shot glass sized amount of water. Secondly the taste of GHB is pretty distinctive. My girlfriend and I have done some experiments on this (we were both wondering if it is actually possible to use GHB as a date rape drug). We tried GHB mixed with a very wide range of drinks, using smaller glasses and smaller doses of GHB. Even using grapefruit juice or Cranberry juice (a third of a litre with 3 grams of GHB), it was very easy to pick the one glass with GHB from the three without. The one with GHB tasted pretty horrible.
If you were to want to use a drug as a date rape drug I'd go for Estazolam. Comes on faster the rohypnol and is easier to get from a doctor than Xanax. Of course there is still the problem that benzos don't dissolve in water!!!!!. Frankly you'd be better off using soluble paracetamol and codeine pills. Paracetamol and alcohol is a head fuck, throw the codeine in and it's going to do some damage. Wonder when we'll see paracetamol labeled as the "date rape drug"?
Then again the ultimate all time date rape drug is alcohol. Full stop. End of fucking story.
Harry
[ 09 June 2002: Message edited by: Harry@Piekarnia ]
 
a pill doesn't have to be soluble in liquid to dissolve in it. It just has to suspend itself in the liquid, which is quite easy. anyways i'm pretty sure benzos are soluble in alcohol...
 
In ethanol? I know rohypnol is only very slightly soluble in methanol.
You are right about the suspending itself thing thought. If all the binders disappear one mg isn't that much to hide in a screwdriver, especially if they frequently mix it.
I really don't believe ketamine as a big date rape drug though...seems wildly inappropriate. No one ever accuses heroin of being a date rape drug, I can't imagine ketamine is that much better.
[ 10 June 2002: Message edited by: quale ]
 
I'd say rohypnol and ketamine for their complimentary ability to ruin someone's memory of an incident like that. Some guys were running around in the 70s raping tons of women with ketamine before it turned into a 'partydrug'.
GHB, I would say not much more then alcohol. Your memory will still be more intact then a 'properly' done rohypnol or ketamine daterape.
 
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I think dosing someone with GHB that's already drinking alcohol, particularly hard liquor or a mixed drink, is fairly easy. I'm not talking about NaGHB of course, but straight GBL...the amount needed, in combination with alcohol would be minimal and the taste would be masked by the strong alcohol.
I think most people that were raped with GHB were victims of this method (GBL+alcohol).
still, it's full of guys that rape girls with alcohol...does that make a front page? no of course it doesn't.
 
There is a moral and legal distinction between using alcohol as a "date rape drug" and slipping something in someone's drink, namely that in the case of dosing someone, it is not their choice to become intoxicated.
You can have sex with a girl you bought a few drinks that isn't rape. You cannot have sex with a girl you have dosed with rohypnol, ketamine, or ghb without it being rape.
Anyway, rohypnol was the original date rape drug. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've been under the impression that the reason rohypnol became a date rape drug of choice was not because it's action is much different from other benzodiazepines, but because it was easily marketed in pills that were unusually easy to dissolve. Of course, public and legal reaction was to the drug itself, so now it's C1.
 
There is a moral and legal distinction between using alcohol as a "date rape drug" and slipping something in someone's drink, namely that in the case of dosing someone, it is not their choice to become intoxicated.
I would think that the person's choice not to have sex would be more important than their choice not to become intoxicated.
But real life, as they say...
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Originally posted by quale:
What I dont understand is how someone could be dosed with rohypnol as it doesn't seem much more water soluble than its other benzo friends.
[ 09 June 2002: Message edited by: quale ]
Benzos tend to be rather soluable in ethyl alcohol... Injectible valium uses propylene glycol and ethyl alcohol to dissolve diazepam... shouldn't be much difference with rohypnol dissolving in a cocktail.
doc
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I would think that the person's choice not to have sex would be more important than their choice not to become intoxicated.
If a person is intoxicated against their will, their "decision" to have sex with the person who intoxicates them is certainly not a valid one. If they choose to intoxicate themselves, they have decided for themselves to lower their resistance and inhibitions, so the decisions they make are much more valid.
For chrissake, if you (a theoretical non-drug user) got dosed with acid and went and killed a bunch of people, the person who dosed you would be more likely to get convicted than you would be.
Anyway, girls who get themselves really fucked up and fuck guys and regret it I have little sympathy for. Girls who get drugged against their will and fuck guys they wouldn't otherwise have been raped (if the guy she fucks was aware of the drugging, that is.)
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I really have no idea why nobody uses sleeping pills as date rape drugs.
GHB makes chicks puke. Alcohol makes chicks puke. Roofies loop someone out.
And asides from having unwanted side effects, a person can wake up or whatever.
I'm sure you could easily slip someone 20mgs of Ambien and they wouldn't wake up if you put a megaphone next to their ear.
 
It all comes down to what the girl says... she can go to a club and get herself drunk, meet you, and be the one to initiate the sex.. she can grab your cock and say "I want you to fuck me like a wild bore".. well, when she sobers up the next morning, if she regreats it, she can call it "rape" and you will be arrested.. there is a good chance you will be convicted too as the jury is FAR MORE LIKELY to believe some bitch that crying on the stand about how you violated her rather then your story about how "she initiated it" ...
If you want to lay someone out then it's GHB .. I don't mean the powdered stuff (I have never even SEEN THAT) .. I mean regular ole GBL + Lye in a pot on yer stove .. get it nice and thick like syrup - if you get everything JUST RIGHT then the taste is minimal .. yeah, it will still have a distinct taste but 2 "caps" of the potent shit in somes alcoholic drink and they are OUT LIKE MIKE TYSON.. one "cap" puts them in a state where they are still awke but so out of it you could do whatever and they wouldnt remember you from anyone...
Of course I don't advocate rape but I am offering that as information on the subject - the question was asked and the answer was given - Rohypnol was "the original date rape drug" but now it's GHB...
 
Originally posted by PhreeX:
If you want to lay someone out then it's GHB .. 2 "caps" of the potent shit in somes alcoholic drink and they are OUT LIKE MIKE TYSON.. one "cap" puts them in a state where they are still awke but so out of it you could do whatever and they wouldnt remember you from anyone...
Local bar in my area is known for this exact scenario- lots of ghb dosing going on there- every couple of weeks- another chick passes out in the bathroom instead of the frat boys dorm room... It's the biggest meat market in a fairly large college town. It happens. People are routinely busted there with ghb... stupid fucks.
doc
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Are guys actually dosing girls to knock them out or is it just a place where girls are taking too much and they phish out on their own? Remember, next to cocaine girls LOVE GHB! (perhaps because it tastes kinda like seman?)
 
Originally posted by PhreeX:
Are guys actually dosing girls to knock them out or is it just a place where girls are taking too much and they phish out on their own? Remember, next to cocaine girls LOVE GHB! (perhaps because it tastes kinda like seman?)
Mix of both- been a couple of rape trials out of this- couple of "whoops, I took too much"
both sides of the coin. It has happened...
doc
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Well I am resurecting an old thread but I was reading a book the other day which suggested that choral hydrate was the original date rape drug or 'Mickey Finn.'
I don't even know what type of drug that is, anyone want to help me out.
In response to the diazepram issue I thought that it wasn't actually dissolved in the alcohol, i.e. it was dissolved in the glycerine or whatever which was just suspended in the alcohol, in either case as long as the filler in the pill dissolves it doesn't really make too much difference if the couple of mgs of active ingredient is dissolved or just mixed in.
 
well if you fall into a k hole, your not in a position to do much which leaves your attacker open to...
 
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