Morninggloryseed
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Blowmonkey said:
They sure can't, but some of us do definitelty know what you mean.
5-MeO-DMT is so far the BEST psychedelic in my books. Not my favorite, but definitely the best.
Which drugs work best to induce ego loss, and how to they differ?
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They sure can't, but some of us do definitelty know what you mean.
5-MeO-DMT is so far the BEST psychedelic in my books. Not my favorite, but definitely the best. 
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Blowmonkey said:
I can recall my first encounter with Maoi's and mushrooms. we had 1 gram dried Copelandia Cyanescens and ~3 g's Peganum Harmala. After about 4 hours being out in nature (at 4am) I had completely lost every trace of my own being. Complete bliss. After a while I got kinda scared and wanted to know how everything was before all of this. Then my friend came to me. And I could actually hear him ! I could understand his words !!! I was still unable to properly speak back to him. But it still was good to have something I recognised in all this crazy-ness.
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"On Salvia I've had what I believe is ego loss but it's debatable many people would say is ego change I guess.
I didn't exist any more but I was a chair. "
Somebody posted that and I know exactly what you mean. Salvia deffinitely makes me feel like an inanimate object in the strangest of ways. Once, whilst on salvia (a homemade extract I would estimate around 12x) a friend asked me how I felt. I replied "I feel like an airplane." "Oh, so you feel like you're flying?" "No, I feel like an airplane on the ground." Salvia is a weird ass drug.
If "ego loss" is not being the "I" that is yourself and "just being", I'd have to say that ketamine or maybe even heroin takes the cake on that one...but I hate that feeling. When I experience feelings like that, I feel dead and I love feeling alive...maybe we could call this "ego amplification"? DXM does this for me in the greatest way immaginable.
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I didn't exist any more but I was a chair. "
Somebody posted that and I know exactly what you mean. Salvia deffinitely makes me feel like an inanimate object in the strangest of ways. Once, whilst on salvia (a homemade extract I would estimate around 12x) a friend asked me how I felt. I replied "I feel like an airplane." "Oh, so you feel like you're flying?" "No, I feel like an airplane on the ground." Salvia is a weird ass drug.
If "ego loss" is not being the "I" that is yourself and "just being", I'd have to say that ketamine or maybe even heroin takes the cake on that one...but I hate that feeling. When I experience feelings like that, I feel dead and I love feeling alive...maybe we could call this "ego amplification"? DXM does this for me in the greatest way immaginable.
Not Guilty and Proud,
Daniel Huth
Morninggloryseed
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SaTaMaS said:
I do. With ego death, there is no more "I" left to conceptualize the experience. It is not until the experience is over does one realize it has happened. Many people have "ego-dissolution" rather than true ego-loss, but do confuse the two.
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SaTaMaS said:
Not in a K-hole. First the body disappears (which can feel like an out-of-body experience). The only thing left is the "ego" in a 'quantum universe' (I wouldn't know what else to call it, it's a space where the normal Newtonian/Einsteinian physics don't apply).
The next step (and you need more Ketamine for this) is the step where the 'ego' disappears. This can feel like a near-death experience, or rebirth. The only thing left is the consciousness. Not your own consciousness, just THE consciousness. This is where the K-hole can be extremely profound.
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I have lost myself on several different dosages of mushrooms. Once, I was a traveler in the 60s, once I fell through a park bench into another world, and once I was whinnie the pooh.
Just yesterday, while smoking a very large amount of some haze, I was standing in my backyard and folded up into a rose. This was my first ego loss experience with pot.
DXM has been my most successful ego loss tool, having become radiohead's music, samus from metroid, a part of the universe, and many times when I have just watched things, being nothing but existance.
I've also gotten quite a few from honing in on the last few minutes before sleep and tooling around with them with and without pot.
Once you've had an experience, I find it's much easier to have one again. You recognize the process and are much more prone to just let go and see where it takes you. I am also very sure these have all been ego loss experiences, but I have a hard time transcribing them in words.
Just yesterday, while smoking a very large amount of some haze, I was standing in my backyard and folded up into a rose. This was my first ego loss experience with pot.
DXM has been my most successful ego loss tool, having become radiohead's music, samus from metroid, a part of the universe, and many times when I have just watched things, being nothing but existance.
I've also gotten quite a few from honing in on the last few minutes before sleep and tooling around with them with and without pot.
Once you've had an experience, I find it's much easier to have one again. You recognize the process and are much more prone to just let go and see where it takes you. I am also very sure these have all been ego loss experiences, but I have a hard time transcribing them in words.
The New Shaman
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only mushrooms and DMT.. nothing else has come close.
The New Shaman
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has anyone here reached ego death on Mescaline? I've never had enough of the substance to be able to use it as a tool.
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Leg said:
You can.. if you kill yourself on it.
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I've experienced complete ego loss exactly two times. once on LSD and a couple nights ago on 5-meo-dmt. both times were incredible and amazing experiences.
interesting to note, both drugs put me in the same "space". it is my personal belief that once your ego has fully dissolved (or been blast to pieces in the case of 5-meo-dmt) you experience the cosmic consciousness of which we are all a part of.
i believe that mushrooms can put you in the same place, but i have yet experienced it. I am planning a 5 gram mushroom trip, maybe add some syrian rue on top of that for an intense solo trip.
have yet to try DPT, DMT or ketamine, but all seem promising, although i think the ketamine experience would be slightly than those produced by the more traditional psychedelics.
also, i just recently tried methylone and i give it an A+. truly wonderful material, has the good parts of MDMA without the speedy effects (some people may like that, but i don't) and harsh comedown.
interesting to note, both drugs put me in the same "space". it is my personal belief that once your ego has fully dissolved (or been blast to pieces in the case of 5-meo-dmt) you experience the cosmic consciousness of which we are all a part of.
i believe that mushrooms can put you in the same place, but i have yet experienced it. I am planning a 5 gram mushroom trip, maybe add some syrian rue on top of that for an intense solo trip.
have yet to try DPT, DMT or ketamine, but all seem promising, although i think the ketamine experience would be slightly than those produced by the more traditional psychedelics.
also, i just recently tried methylone and i give it an A+. truly wonderful material, has the good parts of MDMA without the speedy effects (some people may like that, but i don't) and harsh comedown.
Interesting stuff.
Seems that there are several definitions of ego loss, freudian, transperosnal, budist etc.
Personally i feel that the rewarding aspect of ego transcendence is the letting go. Letting go of hopes, fears, habits of feeling, habits of perception, haibts of action. When taking a strong substance like 5-meo-dmt i feel you don't really have the time to realize what it is you are letting go of. So even though you do end up in a ego-less space it dous not seem that meaningfull. When taking psychedelics orally they build up in strength more slowly and force you to either shed unneccesary bagage or get tangled up. I find that triptamines take away sense of self mor easily then phenetylamines. Mushrooms for me make it hard to experience nothingness because of the entities that seem to show up when you take higher doses, but sense of self, and sense of observer can be hard to find. Lsd seems not to have the entity thing going on that much and is probably one of the most potent psychedelics wich can be taken orally. With 2-cb,-ct2,-ct-7, and even mescaline to some extent i feel i am more of an observer of the psychedelic show, which makes them less threatening to the ego, but also less interesting to me (except for mescaline which is still the best natural psychedelic to me!).
Ketamine with 2-cb or dpt is very strong, but i feel that ketamine is like a combination of alcohol and smoking 5-meo-dmt in the sense that fear is diminished ( so you really don't let go of it as much as you simply don't feel it as much, or at least are not as impressed by it), and the onset is such that there really is not a gradual letting go as is the case with dmt.
So the only ego-loss i have experienced that was not induced by ketamine or dmt has been with the unlikely combination of some harmala, some HBW, some mushrooms, and quite some pot. This trip had gotten me nausious and i smoked some pot. I was laying on the sofa and closed my eyes. At that point i felt as i was floating between all my body cells which had lost their coherent structure and floated too. I realized i never considered how much these cells had done for me my whole life, and i felt the urge to thank them for what they had always done for me. When i thanked them it felt as if they appreciated the gratitude and thus where willing to let me go. So i fell downward deeper and deeper until only some form of pure consciousness whitnessed a space with nothing but a blue/green mist. This space was timeless, boundryless, empty. The whitnessing consciousness was also timeless and boundryless, emptyness, eternal bliss. At some point some outside noise must have startled me, because at this point i realized what had happened, i was dead! So i started struggeling in panic to get back to life, to my body. After a while i managed this, and was shaken badly by the idea what would have happened if my consciousness had stayed in that wonderfull place. . . . ( i also had some fear that the combination of HBW and harmala might have produced a dangerous vaso constriction, i don't really believe this was the case though since i did not take much of either)
Seems that there are several definitions of ego loss, freudian, transperosnal, budist etc.
Personally i feel that the rewarding aspect of ego transcendence is the letting go. Letting go of hopes, fears, habits of feeling, habits of perception, haibts of action. When taking a strong substance like 5-meo-dmt i feel you don't really have the time to realize what it is you are letting go of. So even though you do end up in a ego-less space it dous not seem that meaningfull. When taking psychedelics orally they build up in strength more slowly and force you to either shed unneccesary bagage or get tangled up. I find that triptamines take away sense of self mor easily then phenetylamines. Mushrooms for me make it hard to experience nothingness because of the entities that seem to show up when you take higher doses, but sense of self, and sense of observer can be hard to find. Lsd seems not to have the entity thing going on that much and is probably one of the most potent psychedelics wich can be taken orally. With 2-cb,-ct2,-ct-7, and even mescaline to some extent i feel i am more of an observer of the psychedelic show, which makes them less threatening to the ego, but also less interesting to me (except for mescaline which is still the best natural psychedelic to me!).
Ketamine with 2-cb or dpt is very strong, but i feel that ketamine is like a combination of alcohol and smoking 5-meo-dmt in the sense that fear is diminished ( so you really don't let go of it as much as you simply don't feel it as much, or at least are not as impressed by it), and the onset is such that there really is not a gradual letting go as is the case with dmt.
So the only ego-loss i have experienced that was not induced by ketamine or dmt has been with the unlikely combination of some harmala, some HBW, some mushrooms, and quite some pot. This trip had gotten me nausious and i smoked some pot. I was laying on the sofa and closed my eyes. At that point i felt as i was floating between all my body cells which had lost their coherent structure and floated too. I realized i never considered how much these cells had done for me my whole life, and i felt the urge to thank them for what they had always done for me. When i thanked them it felt as if they appreciated the gratitude and thus where willing to let me go. So i fell downward deeper and deeper until only some form of pure consciousness whitnessed a space with nothing but a blue/green mist. This space was timeless, boundryless, empty. The whitnessing consciousness was also timeless and boundryless, emptyness, eternal bliss. At some point some outside noise must have startled me, because at this point i realized what had happened, i was dead! So i started struggeling in panic to get back to life, to my body. After a while i managed this, and was shaken badly by the idea what would have happened if my consciousness had stayed in that wonderfull place. . . . ( i also had some fear that the combination of HBW and harmala might have produced a dangerous vaso constriction, i don't really believe this was the case though since i did not take much of either)
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imo, dissociatives and the classical psychedelics (in conjunction) are the way to go in terms of fairly reliable ego dissolution.
i've gotten pretty close with 5-meo-mipt (riding the inner love tunnel? idk...) and especially when there was a bit of o-pce involved (iirc).
4-aco-dpt and (dck or o-pce, it was quite a few years ago so the memory is screwy) a dissociative had my whole reality fading away (think a t.v. show on a tube t.v. fading to quiet static), like i was getting ready to not exist (scary), but my ego was intact. another time with this combo, my partner and i skirted ego- dissolution together... but just barely missed it.
using 3-meo-pce and weed together with my partner on the bathroom floor in the dark had us really melting together (actually, she's my wife now... i consider this to be the time where we truly solidified our lifetime of togetherness), forehead- to- forehead. i don't remember for sure if we proved a real- deal psychic connection, but it sure felt like it to both of us.
eth-lad was the quickest and most powerful ego- dissolver ever, we laid on the floor cuddling and melted into eachother (and melted into the universe). it was interrupted by the need for other bodily functions, but it REALLY put us right into the we are nothing and everything mode like no other.
another time on only dck, we (almost violently lol) cuddled and really felt super connected, but there was amnesia and our egos were intact (albeit strangified).
dxm did the strangified ego soup, but it was more like just being in a dream. i miss those days of youthful, naive freedom.
a k hole kinda feels like the ego is being faded out, but not the same way that eth- lad did it in a lucid way. again, dreamlike. dxm and k are kinda similar in that regard, and even pcp.
uhh.... hmm.
o, salvia... but it's more like a strangifried ego... it's intact, but squashed and extruded to the salvia's specifications.
ok, i think that's all i can remember.
i think if i were going to actively try for the classic ++++ ego dissolution (i know, there's no predicting or planning it... just a hypothetical) experience, i would try to get my hands on deschloroketamine (and/ or pcp, and/ or 3-meo-pce, and/ or k) and 5-meo-mipt, and combine them for an in- bed session... or just eth- lad alone (fuuuck i wish i had kept an eth- lad stash, whaaat a fucking drug!).
(edit) i forgot about staring into someone else's eyes while they stare back, on ketamine. it's a really special bond- maker. and ditto for mda. i've fallen in love a couple of times from such an experience with either drug, and it turned out that later on, the other person felt the same way. it didn't work out with them (relationship- wise), for different reasons.
now WITH weed? i've definitely had some VERY strong ego- shifters while "krunk" (strong weed and strong booze). this combo also can make it easier to make very close friends very quickly (and i mean in the sexual way, i have gotten laid a few times thanks to weed and alcohol), so that might be a form of mild ego dissolution (inter-social ego- melding?).
i've gotten pretty close with 5-meo-mipt (riding the inner love tunnel? idk...) and especially when there was a bit of o-pce involved (iirc).
4-aco-dpt and (dck or o-pce, it was quite a few years ago so the memory is screwy) a dissociative had my whole reality fading away (think a t.v. show on a tube t.v. fading to quiet static), like i was getting ready to not exist (scary), but my ego was intact. another time with this combo, my partner and i skirted ego- dissolution together... but just barely missed it.
using 3-meo-pce and weed together with my partner on the bathroom floor in the dark had us really melting together (actually, she's my wife now... i consider this to be the time where we truly solidified our lifetime of togetherness), forehead- to- forehead. i don't remember for sure if we proved a real- deal psychic connection, but it sure felt like it to both of us.
eth-lad was the quickest and most powerful ego- dissolver ever, we laid on the floor cuddling and melted into eachother (and melted into the universe). it was interrupted by the need for other bodily functions, but it REALLY put us right into the we are nothing and everything mode like no other.
another time on only dck, we (almost violently lol) cuddled and really felt super connected, but there was amnesia and our egos were intact (albeit strangified).
dxm did the strangified ego soup, but it was more like just being in a dream. i miss those days of youthful, naive freedom.
a k hole kinda feels like the ego is being faded out, but not the same way that eth- lad did it in a lucid way. again, dreamlike. dxm and k are kinda similar in that regard, and even pcp.
uhh.... hmm.
o, salvia... but it's more like a strangifried ego... it's intact, but squashed and extruded to the salvia's specifications.
ok, i think that's all i can remember.
i think if i were going to actively try for the classic ++++ ego dissolution (i know, there's no predicting or planning it... just a hypothetical) experience, i would try to get my hands on deschloroketamine (and/ or pcp, and/ or 3-meo-pce, and/ or k) and 5-meo-mipt, and combine them for an in- bed session... or just eth- lad alone (fuuuck i wish i had kept an eth- lad stash, whaaat a fucking drug!).
(edit) i forgot about staring into someone else's eyes while they stare back, on ketamine. it's a really special bond- maker. and ditto for mda. i've fallen in love a couple of times from such an experience with either drug, and it turned out that later on, the other person felt the same way. it didn't work out with them (relationship- wise), for different reasons.
i think one would be blacked- out before they would ever reach such a state (if it's even possible).
now WITH weed? i've definitely had some VERY strong ego- shifters while "krunk" (strong weed and strong booze). this combo also can make it easier to make very close friends very quickly (and i mean in the sexual way, i have gotten laid a few times thanks to weed and alcohol), so that might be a form of mild ego dissolution (inter-social ego- melding?).
no, not at all. the ego (afaik) never truly dies, and can often come back even stronger. i did see an emoji, so i assume you are being jestful (in which case, yes it's funny to say "i have lost my ego").
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jimdron
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On just `30 mg of K I can lose myself. But for me ego loss is not ”me losing”, it’s that I can not keep to ego and let it go. It’s very scary.
K even in therapy circles is called THE ego loss drug. Like, it’s perfect for that.
K even in therapy circles is called THE ego loss drug. Like, it’s perfect for that.
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I agree ketamine is the best substance for ego loss. K hole and you will have a ego death every time.
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