Where the hell did you guys learn all of this stuff?

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bleedingheartcommie

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And how long did it take?


I'm very new on the scene as far as steroids are concerned and I feel like I'm swimming in confusion trying to pick up on things here and there. Is there a source that starts with the basics? Are there books on the subject? Or is it mainly forum discussion?

Am i just a dumb dumb? or did any of you feel this way when you first started researching these chemicals?
 
Easiest way to learn is to pickup a copy of the Anabolic Encyclopedia and read through it then compare it with what you can learn from other sources.

Where's the part you're struggling with?

Cycles are typically seen as a bulking or cutting cycle depending on your goals. Most cycles contain testosterone. Testosterone comes in 3 flavors, P, E, C with E and P being most commonly used and Sust which is a blend of many esters. Don't use Sust. Steroids mimic the body's natural testosterone so they cause your body to stop producing its own testosterone. To combat this you want to use HCG twice a week during cycle and also following your cycle. Testosterone also converts into Estrogen so you want to make sure that you have an Anti-Estrogen (nolva or clomid) on hand in case you get Estrogen side effects (bitch tits) and following your cycle while you're trying to boot up your testicals again with HCG you want to always take Nolva or Clomid so your elevated Testosterone levels don't convert to Estrogen while you're not making any of your own (or injecting any). This whole process is called PCT (post cycle therapy) and provides with a quicker rebound to normal with less side effects (physical and emotional).

There's tons of other info to know but basically that's the most important. You should have several years of training, good dieting, and such in order and start off with a light cycle with a test base with a proper PCT lined up as a starting point and go from there. Once you understand that basic idea (proper cycle -> pct plus how the HPTA, tesosterone, and estrogen all work together) then you can start learning about different compounds. Basically all of the compounds do some things while having certain side effects. You want to make sure that you're cycle and PCT includes the proper compounds (not just some shit somebody gave/sold you). Ie, don't just take Deca because that's all you can get your hands on.


Most people just have a friend or w/e that gives them some random chemical (usually winny or dbol pills) and they take them a few weeks, gain some water weight, shut down their HPTA (balls) and then come off with no PCT and lose their gains and experience fucked up side effects. If you can avoid doing that then you're doing it better than 90%..
 
Read trusted material and take advice from those who have been proven to provide others with proper advice time and time again. Don't go to the biggest guy in the gym and ask him what's what...he may be thriving on blessed genetics alone and talking out his ass the rest of the time. Believe it or not, but most AAS users are actually rather intelligent. It's not as easy as jello to figure this game out, there is a lot of time and effort that must go into it...should you wish to play.

You will stumble on multiple answers to your questions and you have to use your best judgment to decide what answer is the correct one. Often there is more than one correct answer. AAS is a science, but it's not a "complete science", where everything works the same for everyone. Proper judgment and a little bit of common sense goes a very long way. If you can learn the fundamentals, everything else is icing on the cake.

And to answer maakshif, keep your PMs between yourselves. I'll just keep it at that for now as there is a bit of gray area there in terms of PMs. Good luck!

/V
 
aanallein said:
To combat this you want to use HCG twice a week during cycle and also following your cycle. Testosterone also converts into Estrogen so you want to make sure that you have an Anti-Estrogen (nolva or clomid) on hand in case you get Estrogen side effects (bitch tits) and following your cycle while you're trying to boot up your testicals again with HCG you want to always take Nolva or Clomid so your elevated Testosterone levels don't convert to Estrogen while you're not making any of your own (or injecting any). This whole process is called PCT (post cycle therapy) and provides with a quicker rebound to normal with less side effects (physical and emotional).
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Question!

I'm currently on a cycle of precursors... 1ad, 4ad, and Deca (all oral sub-lingual admins). (I've had a lot of gains in the past with this stuff with very little side effect.) The PCT chemical I have is called aromX. Should I be taking that twice a week while on cycle in addition to every day during my PCT?


Also, after I finish the PCT from one cycle, is it safe to start another one fairly soon, or should I take some time off in between?
 
^ what he said. I think the product you're on is the same stuff the manager of my gym was taking. He was all about it and said he got nice gains. I'd be worried about my lipid profiles and shutdown personally but to each their own.
 
maakshif said:
1st of all if you are taking oral deca you are getting ripped off...there is no such thing, as deca has no oral bioavailability

As for pct I would be safe and run actual nolva not aromX...most of the otc pct products really aren't sufficient for prohormone/prosteroid cycles and obviously not steroid cycles

You definitely need time off...even prohormones/prosteroids shut you down and you have to let your body recover...the typical protocol is time on + pct = time off before next cycle...the only true way to know if you've recovered is through blood work but that protocol is the next best thing
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looks like his cycle is all PHs, there are oral nandrolone precursors norandrostenedione and norandrostenediol
 
bleedingheartcommie said:
could you please explain?




yes, I am.


How long of a cycle is too long? Using this stuff (PHs)?

BTW...

I really appreciate all the info
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I'm not sure as far as the orals PHs go but don't be fooled.. Some of these PHs are as strong if not stronger than some steroids.. They are not by any means a safer form of trying to gain muscle. they are just a legal form at the moment..
 
1 book you can get is 'anabolics 6th edition' by william llewellyn its from 2007 but its an awesome book, its got like 800 pages of just about everything you need to know. i learned alot from this book, kinda expensive but worth every penny IMO
 
Eda907 said:
1 book you can get is 'anabolics 6th edition' by william llewellyn its from 2007 but its an awesome book, its got like 800 pages of just about everything you need to know. i learned alot from this book, kinda expensive but worth every penny IMO
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there's newer ones than that plus you can download ebooks
 
aanallein said:
Testosterone also converts into Estrogen so you want to make sure that you have an Anti-Estrogen (nolva or clomid) on hand in case you get Estrogen side effects (bitch tits) and following your cycle while you're trying to boot up your testicals again with HCG you want to always take Nolva or Clomid so your elevated Testosterone levels don't convert to Estrogen while you're not making any of your own (or injecting any).
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How much nolva or clomid and HCG should I take daily after a mild 6 week cycle?
 
Eda907 said:
1 book you can get is 'anabolics 6th edition' by william llewellyn its from 2007 but its an awesome book, its got like 800 pages of just about everything you need to know. i learned alot from this book, kinda expensive but worth every penny IMO
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Take everything in that book with a grain of salt. I would in no way suggest anyone getting ANY of William Llewellyn's books as they are full of shit.

He has taken bribes to help specific distributors. The tests are all "fixed" on the compounds, made to promote one distributor that I will not name. His dosing protocols are all off base. Run a search on the guy before you think about buying any of his books.

/V
 
VictorZ06 said:
Read trusted material and take advice from those who have been proven to provide others with proper advice time and time again. Don't go to the biggest guy in the gym and ask him what's what...he may be thriving on blessed genetics alone and talking out his ass the rest of the time. Believe it or not, but most AAS users are actually rather intelligent. It's not as easy as jello to figure this game out, there is a lot of time and effort that must go into it...should you wish to play.

You will stumble on multiple answers to your questions and you have to use your best judgment to decide what answer is the correct one. Often there is more than one correct answer. AAS is a science, but it's not a "complete science", where everything works the same for everyone. Proper judgment and a little bit of common sense goes a very long way. If you can learn the fundamentals, everything else is icing on the cake.

And to answer maakshif, keep your PMs between yourselves. I'll just keep it at that for now as there is a bit of gray area there in terms of PMs. Good luck!

/V
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I fully concur with this.

I now make a living as a bodybuilding consultant. The most complex part of the work is creating a hormonal plan that will match objectives and then match all this with an appropriate training and dietary approach.

At first, in 1989 or so, before message boards even existed, I started discussing bodybuilding on the internet. After a while you find sources of information that are more trustworthy, and you try stuff out for yourself, and then you start figuring it out. Reading a few hundred studies here and there also helps.

There are no courses though. I personally have spent 15 years at about 25 hours a week studying endocrinology, dietary science, exercise science, and tying it all together. That is A HELL OF A LOT OF WORK. But it is doable. And of course you don't absolutely need to understand everything perfectly in order to start experimenting on yourself. Advising other people is another thing entirely though.
 
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