When you cycle do you use amph or mdma?

theotherside said:
Come on vox....I've known you two days? Feels like ages.
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Aw come on. You have to admit, that picture was relatively appropriate for what he posted. ;)
That post is so illegible that it's borderline spam.
 
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Voxide said:
Aw come on. You have to admit, that picture was relatively appropriate for what he posted. ;)
That post is so illegible that it's borderline spam.
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I'm going to have to agree with you. The guy can barely type and he's going on about "hitting the meth pipe" before hitting the gym. Something's obviously wrong.
 
Went through and read my old posts. Wow I was fucktarded. Deleted them for my sake as my eyes were bleeding.

Miss Berry said:
Is it very dangerous to take clen at the same time as either amphetamine or meth?
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Yeah, say goodbye to your kidneys and say hello to heart attack 2012.
 
Using amphetamines recreationaly or MDMA while on steroids is absolutely fucking stupid. Steroids raise your blood pressure, some steroids dry you out, some make you sweat and raise your body temperature. To use these drugs on top of gear is fucking idiotic. Many people who use these drugs in conjunction with steroids tend to be curl bros and trash that just works out for the sake of being seen at a shitty club or rave.

If you want to see the end result of using drugs on top of steroids refer to the dead piece of trash and wannabe bodybuilder known as Zyzz.
 
Lol, using amphetamines and steroids is a thing that's been around since the golden age of body building. It's not necessarily going to kill you right off the bat (unless you have a heart condition or get unlucky and have cardiac arrest) but it'll for sure kill you over time.

Amphetamines exacerbate the hardening of arteries over time and continued use alongside AAS can lead to heart attacks at as young as 35.

As for taking prescription ADD medication alongside a steroid, get a blood pressure monitor. Amphetamine medication, if used properly, will not raise the BP too high and it should be relatively safe. However the increased coritsol levels will make gaining mass a lot more difficult. Which is why I advise anyone discontinue taking amphetamines while trying to build muscle.

As for a fat burner, high cortisol induced by amphetamine use is catabolic, however it also causes fat to center around the stomach area as well as a decrease in your sensitivity to insulin. Cortisol also raises your cravings for unhealthy foods and carbohydrates. Wanna bet? When fat people are stressed they eat. After taking my prescription vyvanse, I have these cravings to eat pizza.

As a pre-work out, amphetamines MUST be kept in low doses. Your blood pressure goes sky high while working out on them.I have heard guys say, "Yeah I worked out on adderall once and got a bloody nose." Bloody nose = Symptom of Hypertensive Crisis. That's pretty much wrecking your kidneys and heart.

Another thing to add is that higher doses = insomnia and no appetite. BAD.

They can be beneficial to get a few extra reps in. They can be beneficial to increase strength and decrease time in between sets. The fortunate part is they're not too much more dangerous than working out on ephedrine, the upside is that unlike ephedrine, their much stronger activation of the reward system makes working out on them seem less taxing. But the dose must be kept low. The downfall is that this activation of the reward system can disguise serious symptoms that can and will kill you.

Finally their neurotoxicity. All the ADD/ADHD kids cover their ears when I bring this up. Yes amphetamine is very neurotoxic to dopamine receptors and will cause not only down regulation but a decrease in the amount of dopamine being able to be activated. This makes them EXTREMELY addictive. For example: 6% of meth addicts who seek help actually manage to kick the habit. Amphetamines need to be used for a short amount of time, if at most weekly.

To be honest amphetamine is the most bi-polar drug available.
Why?
It can either be a REALLY good thing, or absolutely wreck your life and there is not much grey in between. I've seen first hand how quick things like using Adderall/MDMA can lead to addiction of easier abusable compounds like methamphetamine(Which actually is not as taxing on the circulatory system as Base Amphetamine. Despite serious well-warranted propaganda.)


(No I'm not on amphetamines as I wrote this 8(. I just felt like getting this out there to save people a lot of research.)
Stay smart. Everything's a tool, use it right.

Cliffs:
1) Amph + Steroid has been around since the golden age of BBing
2) Exacerbate the negative long term effects of both drugs.
3) Safe as long as you keep the dose very low
4) Neurotoxic and addictive
5) Insomnia and no appetite = bad
6) Will wreck your life bro. Tread carefully on amphetamine road.
 
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-Guido- said:
If you want to see the end result of using drugs on top of steroids refer to the dead piece of trash and wannabe bodybuilder known as Zyzz.
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There's a lot of controversy in that death. Some people think it was an overdose, but according to Tim (Sharky) he was on a "Heavy stack" of anabolics. Word around town says that he was using DNP and that caused him to overheat in a sauna.
 
Oh wow, thanks for the responses! I'm in my last semester of uni so I've been taking a fair bit of meth lately to help me stay up late and study, but I also have access to some clen that I was hoping would help me lose a few kilos I've put on from sitting at home studying and eating lately (meth doesn't make me lose my appetite). I had a feeling it might be dangerous to mix the two, and given the replies I've gotten here I definitely won't try taking them at the same time now! Thanks guys <3
 
Miss Berry said:
Oh wow, thanks for the responses! I'm in my last semester of uni so I've been taking a fair bit of meth lately to help me stay up late and study, but I also have access to some clen that I was hoping would help me lose a few kilos I've put on from sitting at home studying and eating lately (meth doesn't make me lose my appetite). I had a feeling it might be dangerous to mix the two, and given the replies I've gotten here I definitely won't try taking them at the same time now! Thanks guys <3
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Learn how to diet if you don't want to look like a beached whale.

Girls do not need Clenbuterol.
 
Miss Berry said:
Oh wow, thanks for the responses! I'm in my last semester of uni so I've been taking a fair bit of meth lately to help me stay up late and study, but I also have access to some clen that I was hoping would help me lose a few kilos I've put on from sitting at home studying and eating lately (meth doesn't make me lose my appetite). I had a feeling it might be dangerous to mix the two, and given the replies I've gotten here I definitely won't try taking them at the same time now! Thanks guys <3
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Meth is a much stronger fat burner than clen IMO.

But at the same time, meth increases most people's appetite for unhealthy foods. High cortisol levels are linked to an increased drive for high-energy foods (Aka sugar and carbohydrates.)

If you want to lose weight, meth will fucking do it fast, you just have to eat right.

But uhh, better lose the weight fast before you stop taking meth. Metabolism rebound can be a bitch.
 
Renz Envy said:
There's a lot of controversy in that death. Some people think it was an overdose, but according to Tim (Sharky) he was on a "Heavy stack" of anabolics. Word around town says that he was using DNP and that caused him to overheat in a sauna.
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Sharky lol. That guy is a pisser. I'll take Sharky's word though. That fucking guy knows what he is talking about and doesn't lie about shit.
 
Renz Envy said:
Meth is a much stronger fat burner than clen IMO.

But at the same time, meth increases most people's appetite for unhealthy foods. High cortisol levels are linked to an increased drive for high-energy foods (Aka sugar and carbohydrates.)

If you want to lose weight, meth will fucking do it fast, you just have to eat right.

But uhh, better lose the weight fast before you stop taking meth. Metabolism rebound can be a bitch.
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Fair enough. I was interested in clen because from my understanding its effect is anti-catabolic, making it a useful addition to a short-term cutting diet. I do believe you that meth is a stronger fat burner, but meth is catabolic, so its not a good option for permanent weight loss - metabolism rebound is definitely a problem

I only want to lose 3 kilos but I'm not desperate about it, I guess I might have to wait until I finish exams and have a more normal life again! As you said, meth increases appetite - especially for sugar and carbs! Personally I don't really lose my appetite when I take meth anymore, and whilst I usually do eat less while I'm energised, my appetite goes crazy within 12 hours and stays like that for 3-5 days unless I disrupt it with another serious studying session. As unexpected as it sounds, I always end up gaining weight if I use meth over a period of 2-weeks or more. Sometimes I end up weighing around the same but not fitting my clothes properly which seems a likely sign of muscle loss+fat gain. :\
 
Miss Berry said:
Fair enough. I was interested in clen because from my understanding its effect is anti-catabolic, making it a useful addition to a short-term cutting diet. I do believe you that meth is a stronger fat burner, but meth is catabolic, so its not a good option for permanent weight loss - metabolism rebound is definitely a problem

I only want to lose 3 kilos but I'm not desperate about it, I guess I might have to wait until I finish exams and have a more normal life again! As you said, meth increases appetite - especially for sugar and carbs! Personally I don't really lose my appetite when I take meth anymore, and whilst I usually do eat less while I'm energised, my appetite goes crazy within 12 hours and stays like that for 3-5 days unless I disrupt it with another serious studying session. As unexpected as it sounds, I always end up gaining weight if I use meth over a period of 2-weeks or more. Sometimes I end up weighing around the same but not fitting my clothes properly which seems a likely sign of muscle loss+fat gain. :\
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It's certainly a pretty bad weight loss option. I know of a few girls who only take meth to lose weight and they suffer pretty heavily from the neurotoxic after effects. You're using it for a productive reason, which I'm glad to hear. Ephedrine or clen are a better option, but I don't advise combining fat burners.

Yeah I actually gain a little pouch of belly fat when I'm taking vyvanse. Tis troublesome.
 
-Guido- said:
That's not fat, it's water retention. D-amphetamines can cause water retention.
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100% sure it's a mixture of both. Increased cortisol levels cause your body to start storing fat around the abdomen and around internal organs to protect them as a result of the "fight or flight" response being triggered. It's a survival trait.

I also usually eat pretty sh*tty in terms of diet when I'm using vyvanse. It's hard to get a lot of calories out of chicken because I literally have no desire to eat it. I just eat chicken pizza or something with a lot of protein and carbs.

As for water retention caused by amphetamine- Isn't it a pretty strong diuretic?
 
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